The parliamentary arm of the Council of Europe. Not the EU's parliamental chamber, the Council of Europe's parliamentary body. The Council of Europe is an international human rights body (and often confused with the political EU). It draws upon national parliament members to make up PACE.What is PACE?
Musk is Cartman...Also, Elon is offended by Ukrainian reaction and dont want to sponsor Starlink in Ukraine.
Look at this "gem" I found on youtube
I've heard about Wagner group (Nazis in Russian army) but these guys are probably just as bad, they clearly worship conflict and this kind of fanaticism is dangerous to say the least.
Again why should we be giving money and weapons to these people. The way the media is currently portraying them is a sure way to get more good Ukrainians to become "patriotic". Future trouble for Europe.
It's probably getting expensive. With the war dragging on he's probably not as okay with giving them free Starlink as he was when everyone thought it would be over in days or weeks. Giving humanitarian aid is only worthwhile for people like Musk when they're getting good advertising return on the money they "spend".Also, Elon is offended by Ukrainian reaction and dont want to sponsor Starlink in Ukraine.
Well... it wasn't exactly... "free".With the war dragging on he's probably not as okay with giving them free Starlink as he was when everyone thought it would be over in days or weeks.
Well, well. Colour me shocked that he both wasn't being generous and managed to spin the media so that someone like me who doesn't really pay that much attention to his shenanigans assumed that for once he was actually doing something decent for fellow human beings in need.Well... it wasn't exactly... "free".
With Musk, it's always safe to assume he's being a disingenuous jackass.Well, well. Colour me shocked that he both wasn't being generous and managed to spin the media so that someone like me who doesn't really pay that much attention to his shenanigans assumed that for once he was actually doing something decent for fellow human beings in need.
Serves me right for thinking that someone that rich could do anything without monetary incentive. Grifting isn't just a way to make money, it's a way of life.
Nobody's doing that or saying otherwise - just pointing out that he didn't in fact provide it for free (which is a common misconception) as stated in good faith.Don't think ****ing on Elon is right, guys. Starlink is critical tech, one of the staples of current progress.
Those contracts are not for Starlink, so that money does not have any effect on the Starlink program. Not sure how anyone would think otherwise. 20 million per month is not sustainable given this war could go on for years. Its easy to tell people what they should do with their money when its not yours. 🙌Nobody's doing that or saying otherwise - just pointing out that he didn't in fact provide it for free (which is a common misconception) as stated in good faith.
Although bearing in mind his repeated recent comments about appeasing the invaders (and allegations, which he denies, that he spoke directly to Putin beforehand), it's well worth examining the context of the fact he's now talking about turning it off because of a measly $20m monthly spend - when he's been in receipt of over $7bn of government contracts and subsidies and wants to spend $44bn on either buying or not buying Twitter (who have again filed papers over the deal, claiming Musk is under SEC investigation; Musk's lawyers responded "I know you are but what am I").
*****ing on him is a different concept from showing the truth of the Starlink deal and querying his current motives.
And the subsidies for Space X you conveniently omitted?Those contracts are not for Starlink, so that money does not have any effect on the Starlink program.
If it goes on for 183 years and four months it will only equal his Twitter purchase/not-purchase. Pretty sure Putin will be dead before that happens.20 million per month is not sustainable given this war could go on for years
Ironic, considering all the money his businesses make from government subsidies... Perhaps that should read "it's easy to tell people what they should do with your money when its theirs"...Its easy to tell people what they should do with their money when its not yours.
No need, like talking to a brick wall.And the subsidies for Space X you conveniently omitted?
If it goes on for 183 years and four months it will only equal his Twitter purchase/not-purchase. Pretty sure Putin will be dead before that happens.
Ironic, considering all the money his businesses make from government subsidies... Perhaps that should read "it's easy to tell people what they should do with your money when its theirs"...
Also nobody did that either. Have a crack at reading the first and second paragraphs you just quoted again.
Indeed. You've plopped in under the belief he's being insulted/attacked and reacted accordingly, rather than choosing to avail yourself of any actual information - and will now quote incessantly for some reason and omit detail to deny reality.No need, like talking to a brick wall.
Elon's money is Elon's money, it has nothing to do with SpaceX and their annual spending or earnings. This is a SpaceX expenditure, not an Elon expenditure. His Twitter deal has nothing to do with it so don't even bother mentioning it. Right now they are coughing up money to sustain 25,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine. Which they lost 80 million dollars on to start with. It's simply not sustainable in the long term.Indeed. You've plopped in under the belief he's being insulted/attacked and reacted accordingly, rather than choosing to avail yourself of any actual information - and will now quote incessantly for some reason and omit detail to deny reality.
All that happened was someone posted - in good faith - about the free supply of Starlink to Ukraine, and someone else posted the information that it was not in fact entirely free and the US government ("their money when it's not yours") paid a significant sum for a portion of it. This is true. That's the latest in a long line of US government contracts and subsidies to his various companies. This is also true.
The subsequent complaining that it costs $20m a month, from someone who has "earned" 350 times that in public money and is looking to spend (or not spend) 2,200 times that on a website just days after the same individual made several comments about appeasing the invaders (and allegedly, though denied, spoke to Putin beforehand) should be examined in context of both of those things. Although you absolutely won't want to do that, and will instead post "witty", passive-aggressive one-liners vaguely hinting at it into the void.
Cool. Did they do it for free, or did the US government pay for a part of it?Elon's money is Elon's money, it has nothing to do with SpaceX and their annual spending or earnings. This is a SpaceX expenditure, not an Elon expenditure.
Cool (although most outlets are saying it's half that). Do you think that's a worthwhile and laudable humanitarian effort, to support the people of Ukraine who are being invaded by a brutal, fascist military regime which has no qualms committing mass murder of civilians and blanket airstriking cities, or do you think it's just gone on an inconveniently long time now and they should abandon it to avoid the sunk cost fallacy and Ukraine should just lay down and die?Right now they are coughing up money to sustain 25,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine.
That's certainly what he said, but that doesn't add up in any way - even at the higher, claimed, 25,000 figure. You can do the math yourself:Which they lost 80 million dollars on to start with.
Again, and it's now in two posts you've quoted, the word is "context". The willingness to pay 2,200 times the monthly cost of a humanitarian act to buy a website provides context for the qualms expressed over paying the monthly cost of the humanitarian act. Especially in the further context that he wishes to pay 75% of that purchase price from his own pocket...His Twitter deal has nothing to do with it so don't even bother mentioning it.
This is obviously a lie, and none of us could be so lucky, but I have a question for you specifically:Last post from me on this subject.
55,000 posts over 20 years has been more than enough for most people on this forum to know that actually attempting to debate you on any topic is like pissing in the wind. It doesn't really matter what the topic is, either, because your areas of non-expertise that you nonetheless have expert opinions on (and refuse to hear otherwise about) range from exploitative videogame practices to traffic laws to corporate buyouts to COVID regulations to basic information about cars developed by the automotive company you work for that you presumably might have even had a hand in developing. You even go out of your way to brag about putting people on your ignore list when an argument blows up in your face (albeit with those people living so rent free that you check what was posted by them anyway).No need, like talking to a brick wall.
Nazis also had a General plan Ost where they colonised huge chunks of Eastern Europe.Yep, according to Nazi racist scale slavik peoples were submissive untermenschen only good enough for manual labour.