Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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The parliamentary arm of the Council of Europe. Not the EU's parliamental chamber, the Council of Europe's parliamentary body. The Council of Europe is an international human rights body (and often confused with the political EU). It draws upon national parliament members to make up PACE.
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Videos of Wagner terrorists torturing a Syrian Man.
Also Wagner Group have been implicated in massacres in the CAR and Mali.
If Ukrainians actually give them the bullet its well deserved as geneva conventions dont apply to Mercs and PMCs.
Neo Nazism seems to be a big problem in Eastern Europe. Its either due to ignorance or due to larp. Because we all know what Nazis actually thought of Slavs in general.
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Yep, according to Nazi racist scale slavik peoples were submissive untermenschen only good enough for manual labour.
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It's probably getting expensive. With the war dragging on he's probably not as okay with giving them free Starlink as he was when everyone thought it would be over in days or weeks. Giving humanitarian aid is only worthwhile for people like Musk when they're getting good advertising return on the money they "spend".
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Well, well. Colour me shocked that he both wasn't being generous and managed to spin the media so that someone like me who doesn't really pay that much attention to his shenanigans assumed that for once he was actually doing something decent for fellow human beings in need.
Serves me right for thinking that someone that rich could do anything without monetary incentive. Grifting isn't just a way to make money, it's a way of life.
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Oh no, not $20m a month! How will the man trying to either buy or not buy a website for the price of 183 years be able to afford it?!
www.businessinsider.com
Elon Musk is speaking out against government subsidies. Here's a list of the billions of dollars his businesses have received.
Musk's companies benefited from subsidies as recently as April, when SpaceX won a $2.89 billion contract from NASA. Tesla got subsidies for years.
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Don't think ****ing on Elon is right, guys. Starlink is critical tech, one of the staples of current progress.
Meanwhile, in Saint Petersburg military commissars and police raiding residential complexes while Putler suggest that mobilization will be over in two weeks.
Meanwhile, in Saint Petersburg military commissars and police raiding residential complexes while Putler suggest that mobilization will be over in two weeks.
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Nobody's doing that or saying otherwise - just pointing out that he didn't in fact provide it for free (which is a common misconception) as stated in good faith.
Although bearing in mind his repeated recent comments about appeasing the invaders (and allegations, which he denies, that he spoke directly to Putin beforehand), it's well worth examining the context of the fact he's now talking about turning it off because of a measly $20m monthly spend - when he's been in receipt of over $7bn of government contracts and subsidies and wants to spend $44bn on either buying or not buying Twitter (who have again filed papers over the deal, claiming Musk is under SEC investigation; Musk's lawyers responded "I know you are but what am I").
*****ing on him is a different concept from showing the truth of the Starlink deal and querying his current motives.
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Those contracts are not for Starlink, so that money does not have any effect on the Starlink program. Not sure how anyone would think otherwise. 20 million per month is not sustainable given this war could go on for years. Its easy to tell people what they should do with their money when its not yours. 🙌
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And the subsidies for Space X you conveniently omitted?
If it goes on for 183 years and four months it will only equal his Twitter purchase/not-purchase. Pretty sure Putin will be dead before that happens.
Ironic, considering all the money his businesses make from government subsidies... Perhaps that should read "it's easy to tell people what they should do with your money when its theirs"...
Also nobody did that either. Have a crack at reading the first and second paragraphs you just quoted again.
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Indeed. You've plopped in under the belief he's being insulted/attacked and reacted accordingly, rather than choosing to avail yourself of any actual information - and will now quote incessantly for some reason and omit detail to deny reality.
All that happened was someone posted - in good faith - about the free supply of Starlink to Ukraine, and someone else posted the information that it was not in fact entirely free and the US government ("their money when it's not yours") paid a significant sum for a portion of it. This is true. That's the latest in a long line of US government contracts and subsidies to his various companies. This is also true.
The subsequent complaining that it costs $20m a month, from someone who has "earned" 350 times that in public money and is looking to spend (or not spend) 2,200 times that on a website just days after the same individual made several comments about appeasing the invaders (and allegedly, though denied, spoke to Putin beforehand) should be examined in context of both of those things. Although you absolutely won't want to do that, and will instead post "witty", passive-aggressive one-liners vaguely hinting at it into the void.
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Elon's money is Elon's money, it has nothing to do with SpaceX and their annual spending or earnings. This is a SpaceX expenditure, not an Elon expenditure. His Twitter deal has nothing to do with it so don't even bother mentioning it. Right now they are coughing up money to sustain 25,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine. Which they lost 80 million dollars on to start with. It's simply not sustainable in the long term.
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Cool. Did they do it for free, or did the US government pay for a part of it?
If your answer is the latter, you're objecting to something you know already - and if it's the former you're wrong. Although that's also the original SpaceX line too so... 🤷♂️
Cool (although most outlets are saying it's half that). Do you think that's a worthwhile and laudable humanitarian effort, to support the people of Ukraine who are being invaded by a brutal, fascist military regime which has no qualms committing mass murder of civilians and blanket airstriking cities, or do you think it's just gone on an inconveniently long time now and they should abandon it to avoid the sunk cost fallacy and Ukraine should just lay down and die?
That's certainly what he said, but that doesn't add up in any way - even at the higher, claimed, 25,000 figure. You can do the math yourself:
$80,000,000/25,000 terminals = $3,200/terminal
$20,000,000 per month/25,000 terminals = $800/terminal per month
Space X quotes $110/mo costs, United States Agency for International Development states it paid $1,500/terminal for ~1,500 terminals and $800,000 for transport.
Again, and it's now in two posts you've quoted, the word is "context". The willingness to pay 2,200 times the monthly cost of a humanitarian act to buy a website provides context for the qualms expressed over paying the monthly cost of the humanitarian act. Especially in the further context that he wishes to pay 75% of that purchase price from his own pocket...
His recent attempts to float appeasement to the aggressors who've created the humanitarian crisis also provides a context for those qualms.
But again, you've waded in because you think "Elon" is being insulted and attacked. He's not; pointing out he didn't provide these terminals for free in response to a good-faith post that said he did is not insulting; it's a factual correction - unless you disagree with the facts.
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I have to wonder if it's because SpaceX can't afford it or if Elon just got his feelings hurt, because this certainly makes it seem like Elon got his feelings hurt:
Honestly, the response to Musk from Andrij Melnyk was warranted because Musk was parroting the BS Putin was pushing about a peace plan. There's a ton to be concerned about when the world's "richest" man starts cozying up to fascists.
Honestly, the response to Musk from Andrij Melnyk was warranted because Musk was parroting the BS Putin was pushing about a peace plan. There's a ton to be concerned about when the world's "richest" man starts cozying up to fascists.
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This is obviously a lie, and none of us could be so lucky, but I have a question for you specifically:
55,000 posts over 20 years has been more than enough for most people on this forum to know that actually attempting to debate you on any topic is like pissing in the wind. It doesn't really matter what the topic is, either, because your areas of non-expertise that you nonetheless have expert opinions on (and refuse to hear otherwise about) range from exploitative videogame practices to traffic laws to corporate buyouts to COVID regulations to basic information about cars developed by the automotive company you work for that you presumably might have even had a hand in developing. You even go out of your way to brag about putting people on your ignore list when an argument blows up in your face (albeit with those people living so rent free that you check what was posted by them anyway).
So why the hell do you think anyone would be impressed by your constant attempts to blow smoke up Elon Musk's ass on his behalf? This is a thread about a 🤬 war that's going on right now, and the "correct" interpretation of asshole things Elon Musk says on Twitter is what you want to make sure everyone has the record straight on? If people wanted to listen to how great and woke and smart and rich and successful he is, they could just follow him on Twitter.
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