SCC - Ferrari 355 Challenge Series - Series Complete, results posted!

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It was indeed great fun and although I only joined in at the 1/2 way point, the lobby was really alive and moving and exciting. Good stuff. My appreciation to Fingers for keeping things moving and interesting! It reminds me of how things used to be with this game some months ago.

One comment I would like to make, and I'm hesitant to say it because I don't want it to come across like such a blatant plug for my event(s), but look at the difference between the random tracks we raced on and the one's we're making an effort to know and practice on for the events.

For the first 4-5 laps I felt almost completely lost on the Nurburgring. I didn't know my braking points or where to turn in. The last time I was on this track was months ago during the Old Timer 288 GTO event (a very difficult car to drive and one that required a very specific technique (I can't remember but I think you could leave it in 3rd gear the whole time :lol:)). And my current Vallelunga setup was just completely wrong for this track and I had an awful time just trying to keep the car on the track, forget about trying to set a competitive time. But I see I wasn't alone either with others having an equally rough time of things. While waiting for the game to sync, I was joking with Alan in text chat about the crashes which would take place at the first corner. And sure enough there was some banging, which I was able to avoid by swerving left than right than left. And thinking I was past it, I got back on the throttle, trying to see through the smoke that other cars were laying down--and crashed dead on into another car that was facing the wrong direction. LOL In the span of about 5 seconds I went from 11th to 3rd and back to 10th! :crazy::ouch::lol:

But look at difference at Vallelunga, a track we've all been practicing to some degree for the event next weekend. I'm not sure whether this is a really a good thing or not, but it suddenly became a two-tier event with the F355 series regulars showing complete domination. I so wish I had recorded this race. From the start, working my way through the Curva Grande and straight into the braking zone for Comini1, it was absolute carnage. It was like a war zone--utter chaos. Cars were hitting, smashing, spinning, bumping, jumping, turning, crashing, thrashing... :scared::crazy: ...I don't think I've ever seen such complete and utter devastation on one stretch of road in my life. A half dozen Kubica88s and their victims could not have done a more effective job. And it's made all the more ridiculous by the fact that everybody in the lobby was sincerely trying to behave and nobody was purposely trying to ram anybody. But as the dust settled, it quickly became apparent that it was a very competitive, hard fought round between the series regulars who were quick, mistake free and relentless, pounding away, fighting for 10ths, lap after lap, rather than playing Mad Max. And I have to say, that kind of hard, wheel to wheel action, really appeals to me. And because of that, it was easily the most enjoyable round. I was doing everything "reasonable" to try and keep Alan behind me. And for 4 laps, he was right on my tail and pushing me hard the whole way. But finally, I got a bit of wheel spin coming out of Soratte and he was able to pull ahead and it was all over. And then I had a really great battle with Kemp and Arvore for the last two laps. 👍

So as I posted in my 'exit speech' on the previous page. Perhaps in a way, we've all become a bit too professional in this series and it's lamentable that for this reason, other more casual racers feel too intimidated to join in our bi-weekly rounds. But at the same time, I think it's created some spectacular racing with good, clean and hard fought, wheel to wheel battles. There's something almost zen-like about it. :sly:
 
It was indeed great fun and although I only joined in at the 1/2 way point, the lobby was really alive and moving and exciting. Good stuff. My appreciation to Fingers for keeping things moving and interesting! It reminds me of how things used to be with this game some months ago.
Yep a long time since we had 8-10 players in one lobby for an hour or so in a row(at some point we had to switch from a 8 player lobby to a 16 player to accommodate who was joining...👍:)
One comment I would like to make, and I'm hesitant to say it because I don't want it to come across like such a blatant plug for my event(s), but look at the difference between the random tracks we raced on and the one's we're making an effort to know and practice on for the events.

For the first 4-5 laps I felt almost completely lost on the Nurburgring. I didn't know my braking points or where to turn in. The last time I was on this track was months ago during the Old Timer 288 GTO event (a very difficult car to drive and one that required a very specific technique (I can't remember but I think you could leave it in 3rd gear the whole time :lol:)). And my current Vallelunga setup was just completely wrong for this track and I had an awful time just trying to keep the car on the track, forget about trying to set a competitive time. But I see I wasn't alone either with others having an equally rough time of things. While waiting for the game to sync, I was joking with Alan in text chat about the crashes which would take place at the first corner. And sure enough there was some banging, which I was able to avoid by swerving left than right than left. And thinking I was past it, I got back on the throttle, trying to see through the smoke that other cars were laying down--and crashed dead on into another car that was facing the wrong direction. LOL In the span of about 5 seconds I went from 11th to 3rd and back to 10th! :crazy::ouch::lol:
You should see the Riviera mayhem...:crazy:

]But look at difference at Vallelunga, a track we've all been practicing to some degree for the event next weekend. I'm not sure whether this is a really a good thing or not, but it suddenly became a two-tier event with the F355 series regulars showing complete domination. I so wish I had recorded this race. From the start, working my way through the Curva Grande and straight into the braking zone for Comini1, it was absolute carnage. It was like a war zone--utter chaos. Cars were hitting, smashing, spinning, bumping, jumping, turning, crashing, thrashing... :scared::crazy: ...I don't think I've ever seen such complete and utter devastation on one stretch of road in my life. A half dozen Kubica88s and their victims could not have done a more effective job. And it's made all the more ridiculous by the fact that everybody in the lobby was sincerely trying to behave and nobody was purposely trying to ram anybody. But as the dust settled, it quickly became apparent that it was a very competitive, hard fought round between the series regulars who were quick, mistake free and relentless, pounding away, fighting for 10ths, lap after lap, rather than playing Mad Max. And I have to say, that kind of hard, wheel to wheel action, really appeals to me. And because of that, it was easily the most enjoyable round. I was doing everything "reasonable" to try and keep Alan behind me. And for 4 laps, he was right on my tail and pushing me hard the whole way. But finally, I got a bit of wheel spin coming out of Soratte and he was able to pull ahead and it was all over. And then I had a really great battle with Kemp and Arvore for the last two laps. 👍
Me,Kemp Fingers and Plckr00(who btw,turned is mic on:dopey:👍 opportunity I obviously capitalized on to seduce him to join the last two 355 events)had great battles all night...even for the lead(before You and Alan joined,of course:sly: ).
So as I posted in my 'exit speech' on the previous page. Perhaps in a way, we've all become a bit too professional in this series and it's lamentable that for this reason, other more casual racers feel too intimidated to join in our bi-weekly rounds. But at the same time, I think it's created some spectacular racing with good, clean and hard fought, wheel to wheel battles. There's something almost zen-like about it. :sly:

That is a reality easily confirmed by the LeaderBoards check out the Event tracks where the top ten times are fought to the tenth...👍 @ Vallelunga for instance a low 1,45 high 1,44 was a competitive time just a few days ago before the event starts I guess there will be hardly room for other times above 1,43:scared: there are 4 guys already in the 42's and Alan is slowly,day after day,approaching the 1,41 which is unbelievably fast even for him...:)

Anyway great fun,let's hope to repeat it tonight...👍
 
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Benvenuto a L'Autodroma di ACI Vallelunga...
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And welcome to the 4th and penultimate round of the "1996" Ferrari F355 Challenge Season from the Vallelunga circuit, 20km north of Rome, Italy.

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This event is scheduled to start at 20:00 GMT on Sunday, 1st August, 2010 at 20:00 GMT.


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QUALIFYING: 2 laps - conditions 50% dry/wet chosen at random
RACE 1 (Feature Race): - 20 Laps - Dry
RACE 2 (Sprint Race): 15 Laps - Wet

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THE EVENT
Those familiar with Supercar Challenge and have taken part in the 348 Challenge series or previous 355 Challenge races, understand this game's features and play system have a good idea of what to expect. As a reminder to those returning and as a note to those new to the event GTPlanet's OLR Rules apply. Please click here to read them in their entirety. Some of the rules listed do not apply specifically to this game. But most of them should be simple common sense.

I will first open a PSN Text Chat room under my PSN ID: jjaisli approximately 5~10 minutes before the event starts and will first send invites to those on my buddy list who are on-line and have expressed an interest in joining this series. You must first join the text chat to take part in the race. If anybody new would like to join, provided there's space in the lobby (16 players or less), you're more than welcome. Just send me a PSN message and I'll send you an invite in return. However, considering the points will carry over from one event to the next, I would like to encourage those who want to join this series to try and show up for every race. Once everybody is securely in the text chat room, I will open a private lobby in Supercar Challenge and then send invites to those already in the next chat window.


LOBBY CONDITIONS
TC: Off
ABS: Off
SC: Off
RL: Off
Transmission: Automatic (which will allow you to choose manual, semi or full auto)
Collisons: Off after penalty except during qualifying (see below for details)
Penalties: unlimited
Setup Restrictions: NONE! You're free to set up the car as you wish.
Grid Order: * see below



QUALIFYING

We will have a two lap qualifying session before the feature race in order to determine grid order. For the first lap, please start off immediately to avoid a penalty but then drive moderately until you build a gap of a least 4~5 seconds to the car in front of you. However, I ask that the first person on the grid, set off at a 'quick' pace to avoid stragglers on his flying lap, who are still trying to build a gap. The second time time across the start/finish line will be your one and only qualifying lap. Collisions will be off during qualifying. If for some reason you have an accident or fall off the track, PLEASE continue your lap and do not go back to the lobby. The following Sprint Race will be run in reverse finishing order from the feature race! Qualifying could be run in either wet or dry conditions and will be chosen at Random before the event starts. Keep it on the track and try to avoid RED laps, which will relegate you to the back of the grid.


POINTS
Points will be awarded as follows:
Feature Race
1st place: 25 points
2nd place: 20 points
3rd place: 16 points
4th place: 13 points
5th place: 11 points
6th place: 10 points
7th place: 9 points
8th place: 8 points
9th place: 7 points
10th place: 6 points
11th place: 5 points
12th place: 4 points
13th place: 3 points
14th place: 2 points
15th place: 1 point
With an additional 1 point going to the fastest lap holder.


Sprint Race
1st place: 12 points
2nd place: 10 points
3rd place: 8 points
4th place: 6 points
5th place: 5 points
6th place: 4 points
7th place: 3 points
8th place: 2 points
9th place: 1 points
With an additional 1 point going to the fastest lap holder. Watch your red lines. ;)


As a final word of warning, especially to any newcomers. Larger lobbies almost always suffer some kind of connection problem, the most common being 2 or more players not being able to successfully connect together in the lobby. However, there is a work-around. I encourage EVERYBODY to read through this thread and take appropriate steps. Even if you believe your connection is fast/secure/quick/trouble free, etc, you may unwittingly be preventing somebody else from joining.


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Remember, there are only two rounds left in this series. Don't let the points pass you by... :)👍 See you on Sunday!

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Warning: Do not play GT5P immediately before SCC!

I think I'm going to keep away from GT5P until after Sunday's event. It completely messes up the steering feel! (Although GT does do pad steering the way it should be done)

I tried out a couple of setup things.

Springs: Hard/Hard is like Soft/Soft, but slower. Probably more sliding happening. Hard/Soft, as Vompatti pointed out to me, was stable but slow. So Soft/Soft seems to be the best, for myself anyway.

Toe: I was using +5/+5. I heard someone else was running -18/-18 or something, so I tried that out. Very unresponsive. Overall it was clearly slower for me - struggled to get into the mid 42's. Then I tried +25/+25. This was better, but too much understeer. So I brought the rear down to +5, and it works out even better than the original +5/+5.

I really had a go at a 1'41. But I think it's wishful thinking at this stage; need to find more than 2 tenths. Although if I could round Tornantino like Henrik can, then I might have a chance. I don't know how he gets around there so fast! And it's not just in the 355C. I remember in our 365GTB ROC race, he was a couple of tenths faster than me around that hairpin. It might be due to what happens with the pad steering below a certain speed - at very low speeds, it suddenly becomes possible to steer beyond the slip angle of the wheels (angle at which wheels understeer), so for Tornantino, you've got to input the exact amount of lock (just like in GT). The problem is that there's a crossover when decelerating into this range of speed for this effect, and a crossover when accelerating out of it again, and it's damn tricky to get it right! (because as you accelerate out of the corner, the speed passes this crossover point, and you actually have to increase the steering input at this point, even though visually you think you should be opening up the steering lock).
 
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Warning: Do not play GT5P immediately before SCC!

I think I'm going to keep away from GT5P until after Sunday's event. It completely messes up the steering feel! (Although GT does do pad steering the way it should be done).

:lol: I could have told you that. And its not just GT5P. All of these games have a different feel and require a different technique. That's why the idea behind Mario's Pentathlon event was so brilliant. It forced you to jump between five different games and quickly adjust your style to compensate.

Anyway, last night was ridiculous. I figured as soon as the lobby started syncing I'd have to go so I didn't bother to even enter the lobby. But in the end, I could have joined you guys. Many times over. :ouch: What a waste.

I can tell you, I'm sticking with soft/soft myself for this round. But positive toe on the rear is just too difficult for me to control the car while exiting corners. I have't done all that many laps and if I had some time to spend on it, I'd probably tweak it some more. But the way things look, I won't be able to play for a few days so I'm sticking with what I currently have. I ran a few TT laps while I was waiting (for nothing) and was able to whittle my time down by a few more tenths and I feel that I haven't really been able to put in a 'perfect' lap yet so there may be a little bit more there. But not much. I think I'm close to reaching my personal limit.

I don't feel uncomfortable or unsure around Vallelunga the way I was around say, VIR or Silverstone but I am surprised in TT that taking some odd lines into some corners (mainly from missing my braking slightly) sometimes resulted in no loss of time. And other times I realized I was loosing some time when I didn't think I should be. That said, I'm about a full second behind you and about 0.5 behind Henrik. Which, well, is about normal. :D I guess that means I'm on the right track. (No pun intended)
 
Warning: Do not play GT5P immediately before SCC!

I think I'm going to keep away from GT5P until after Sunday's event. It completely messes up the steering feel! (Although GT does do pad steering the way it should be done)
]:lol: I could have told you that. And its not just GT5P. All of these games have a different feel and require a different technique. That's why the idea behind Mario's Pentathlon event was so brilliant. It forced you to jump between five different games and quickly adjust your style to compensate.
That's absolutely true...now You guys know how I felt,during 3 or 4 months doing SCC events on Sunday and Shift on Saturday...:crazy:

I tried out a couple of setup things.

Springs: Hard/Hard is like Soft/Soft, but slower. Probably more sliding happening. Hard/Soft, as Vompatti pointed out to me, was stable but slow. So Soft/Soft seems to be the best, for myself anyway.

I can tell you, I'm sticking with soft/soft myself for this round.

I also started with hard Suspension(Dampers hard\hard;Springs hard\soft)and actually felt confortable with it,and thought it felt better around Cimini1&2 and at Tornantino,but after a tip from Alan the other night I changed it to soft and it is actually faster(although probably less stable speccialy in wet conditions)


Toe: I was using +5/+5. I heard someone else was running -18/-18 or something, so I tried that out. Very unresponsive. Overall it was clearly slower for me - struggled to get into the mid 42's. Then I tried +25/+25. This was better, but too much understeer. So I brought the rear down to +5, and it works out even better than the original +5/+5.
But positive toe on the rear is just too difficult for me to control the car while exiting corners... .


As for toe settings I also begun with positive front and rear,but soon reached Jeff's conclusion...In the proccess I also changed to negative toe(-3)in the front but after last night I think I will tweak it for a little positive to see if I can loose less time at semaforo and Tornantino where I feel my car has to much initial turn in...:indiff:

Anyway, last night was ridiculous. I figured as soon as the lobby started syncing I'd have to go so I didn't bother to even enter the lobby. But in the end, I could have joined you guys. Many times over. :ouch: What a waste.

I ran a few TT laps while I was waiting...

Only a few...man don't be so modest.:sly:
I was really wondering why You were so commited to race alone last night,but I figured You were in one of your "setups brainstorm sessions":P:D but now I get it,and after cheking out the leaderboards before tucking in last night I don't think You can say it was loss time...;):lol:
 
:lol: I could have told you that. And its not just GT5P. All of these games have a different feel and require a different technique. That's why the idea behind Mario's Pentathlon event was so brilliant. It forced you to jump between five different games and quickly adjust your style to compensate.

Actually I should have said: don't play GT5P for a couple of days when you want to be sharp with SCC - yeah, that's what I meant. Going immediately between them is not really a problem. It's just when you get used to GT over a couple of days, then it's a problem, especially when you've got a red-hot Henrik ready to roll in a lobby for 355C/Vallelunga!

Interestingly, I could quickly get into the mid 1'42s, but the significant thing was that I was making a lot of strange mistakes I never did before - getting bits of oversteer in places I'd never done before, struggling to hit apexes properly, and interestingly, losing the rear under braking for turn 1, which previously never ever happened (this was using the setup that I was used to).
 
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...but the significant thing was that I was making a lot of strange mistakes I never did before - getting bits of oversteer in places I'd never done before, struggling to hit apexes properly, and interestingly, losing the rear under braking for turn 1, which previously never ever happened (this was using the setup that I was used to).

Oh dear! You're almost starting to sound like...ahh...the rest of us. :D Welcome to the club. :lol: I think we need to pile on more of that kryptonite.
 
Hello guys,

I'm sorry to not joining you lately on this week's practice sessions. I simply don't have the time lately and, when I do managed to get it, I simply don't feel the mood for it. The last two weeks had been passed mostly, after working hours, in the veterinary hospital with the oldest of my dogs. He's been diagnosed positively for leishmaniosys and babosis (commonly known as tick fever) and there's signs of a third yet unidentified condition. As a matter of fact, he's at the moment in the hospital since this morning for another battery of exams.

Despite that, I will be present on the event and I'll do my best to do some practice laps with you guys on the next couple of days - although my top time is only 1,47,02 (lame).

See you guys on track!
 
No worries bullie--and sorry to hear the sad news. I hope he pulls through.
 
Hey Sérgio I really understand what You going through(I think I've already commented with You that my Dog suffers from leishmaniosys since early age(6 months,she is now 6 years) and You probably know better than me that ,if diagnosed at early stages it can be manageable,alright not curable) and I hope he gets better soon and return home!👍
 
Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know I don't have a keyboard, which is why I wasn't very chatty last night when you were practicing Vallelunga. Takes too long to use the controller to type. AlanG asked what wheel I use (G27) and it got me curious to know how many/who uses a wheel vs. controller.
 
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Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know I don't have a keyboard, which is why I wasn't very chatty last night when you were practicing Vallelunga. Takes too long to use the controller to type. AlanG asked what wheel I use (G27) and it got me curious to know how many/who uses a wheel vs. controller.

Yeah, using the DS to type is a drag. When I first got my PS3 I wondered how people were doing it until I realized that I could plug in a USB keyboard.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but going by the current participants:

1) - mhm66 - Wheel (DFP?)
2) - jjaisli - Wheel (G27)
3) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS Wheel (?)

4) - kemp1010 - Wheel
5) - arvore - controller
6) - AlanG184 - controller
7) - tunrupdaheat - Wheel (DFP) or DS. Depends on the time.
8) - vompatti - Wheel (DFP?)
9) - Redgate - Wheel
10) - GTP_bullie77 - Wheel (G25)
10) - GTP_Hun - Wheel (G25)

12) - new_soul - Controller
13) - Rhino_WJB - Wheel
14) - L449KUX - Wheel

15) - frawe - Wheel
16) - SimcoeAce - Wheel (G25)
17) - Firedshot - Wheel (G25)
 
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That's no problem plckr. If you have a mic, everyone with no mic can still hear what is said.

//

Actually Jeff, I use a Six Axis (most pad users probably do). The Dual Shock is a bit heavier, maybe bigger, and has vibration; Six Axis has no vibration (took me quite a while to realise this was not a SCC bug!).
 
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I'm not sure how accurate this is, but going by the current participants:

1) - mhm66 - Wheel (DFP?)
2) - jjaisli - Wheel (G27)
3) - FINGERSANDTHUMBS Wheel (?)

4) - kemp1010 - wheel
5) - arvore - DS
6) - AlanG184 - DS
7) - tunrupdaheat - Wheel (DFP) or DS. Depends on the time.
8) - vompatti - Wheel (DFP?)
9) - Redgate - wheel
10) - GTP_bullie77 - Wheel (G25)
10) - GTP_Hun - Wheel (G25)

12) - new_soul - DS
13) - Rhino_WJB - Wheel
14) - L449KUX - Wheel

15) - frawe - Wheel
16) - SimcoeAce - Wheel (G25)
17) - Firedshot - Wheel (G25)

There fixed it for You
 
Kemp uses a G27 I think.
FINGERS uses a DFP (or maybe DFGT)

And Frawe previously always used a pad I think, then got a handheld wheel which was not good. Did he get a Gsomething after that?
 
OK, updated my list. Looks like we only have 3 fingermen. I didn't realize myself it was so skewed.
 
Just for the sake of accuracy, I have only ever used the Six Axis while playing SCC. The wheel I have is a G25 and, unfortunately, it has been gathering dust for some time. The last games I played using the wheel were GT5p, F1:CE and FC.

I hope to be able to make it to Vallelunga this weekend. Practice time has been limited again but I managed to post a 1'43.4 which is still a bit off the leaders but closer than I was for the last couple of races so I'm looking forward to it.

Btw, Jeff, I was sad to see that this was to be the last couple of races in the series. However, I know only too well how real life can hamper our virtual racing experiences and I really appreciate all your efforts over the last while to keep it going as long as you have. Thanks.
 
Sorry to pull this off topic more (maybe worth it's own thread). Here's a slightly more complete list.

Wheel
Estadios - G27 (previously pad)
jjaisli - G27
ODNE_BR - G27
plckr00 - G27
Redgate - G27
eddietrout - G25
Firedshot - G25
GTP_bullie77 - G25
GTP_Hun - G25
kemp1010 - G25
Rhino_WJB - G25
SimcoeAce - G25
wnabm3 - G25
f1fansd - DFGT
vompatti - DFGT
FINGERSANDTHUMBS - DF?
mhm66 - DFP?
TURNER_042 - DFP
DrSto1ner - ?
L449KUX - ?

Pad
AlanG184
arvore
barnvader
ChilledAnt
davdig
frawe
Hairy-Dave (sometimes wheel)
kevhead11
manunza
new_soul
Planejoker
turnupdaheat
 
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Thanks for the list guys. Have any of you ever noticed your Friends list showing someone using a wheel i.e. "G25 equipped"? I saw it once or twice awhile back but now everybody seems to show a controller, even though certain names on the list use wheels. Sorry for off topic...
 
Do you mean the title that appears above their name in the friends list? I've seen this before. I think this may be just a user-entered comment.
 
Who's this tunrupdaheat? Some sort of imposter eh!!
I knew You're famous Derek but as a point of whorthying 2 spots in the same list...:sly::)
Thanks for the list guys. Have any of you ever noticed your Friends list showing someone using a wheel i.e. "G25 equipped"? I saw it once or twice awhile back but now everybody seems to show a controller, even though certain names on the list use wheels. Sorry for off topic...

Do you mean the title that appears above their name in the friends list? I've seen this before. I think this may be just a user-entered comment.

You may be right. I recall it being in sort of a pop-up bubble.

Yeah it is comments to the PSN profile...for instance I play with a Mandolin Controller so You guys have to cut me some slack for being so slow...:dunce:
 
Just for info : I uses a G25

It would be nice to have a G27, cause it seems it's quieter. And as I'm almost always playing late on nights...
 
Btw, Jeff, I was sad to see that this was to be the last couple of races in the series. However, I know only too well how real life can hamper our virtual racing experiences and I really appreciate all your efforts over the last while to keep it going as long as you have. Thanks.

Thanks Derek. And we'll see how it goes. If nothing else, I just need to take a break. And I'll probably even join in for some races during that time. But I just can't put myself in a position to commit to anything for a while, after the August 15th event.

I'm assuming that most of us here, will probably move on to GT5, or some even to F1:2010, or maybe even onto PC sims, once the autumn rolls in. And just like it was with Ferrari Challenge once Supercar Challenge came out, few of us play it anymore. But I'm also assuming that GT5 will REALLY be everything I want it to be.

I never really got into Prologue because I found the player matching system, the lack of lobby and lobby options and the few tracks available to be too limiting. And not being a GT fanatic, aside from the very impressive visuals and detailed physics, I kept having to ask myself what the big deal was. We had so much of a hassle trying to get through the Prologue round of the Pentathalon event that it just didn't seem worth the effort. But I'm guessing with private lobbies, good, flexible lobby options, real world physics and a wide selection of interesting tracks, the full version of GT5 will be where I'm headed. And I won't look back.

If that turns out NOT to be the case and GT5 turns out, for whatever the reason, to be a bit underwhelming, Eutechnyx did confirm that they're hoping to bring SCC to the NTSC market this fall with several patchable improvements. So there may still be some new players joining the fray. And I may be back still.
 
Just for info : I uses a G25

It would be nice to have a G27, cause it seems it's quieter. And as I'm almost always playing late on nights...

Funny. I'd say I've asked you that 3 times, but still got it wrong! Yeah, the fact that the G27 is quieter is a really big point for me.

I'm assuming that most of us here, will probably move on to GT5, or some even to F1:2010...

For me personally, F1:2010 is not in competition with SCC/GT etc, as the F1 cars are so unique in terms of spec/speed. I've always been able to mix an F1 game with a bigger-car game (like GT, or Toca series).

...the full version of GT5 will be where I'm headed. And I won't look back.

Yeah, the reality is if GT5 does it properly (and after 5 years in making, it will), it makes many other racing games obsolete, if they overlap. This is a point I tried to make several times on the Eutechnyx forum; GT will always kill anyone else who takes on the GT & road cars, so they should focus on racing cars, like lower series formula, various touring cars etc. This is an area of the PS3 market which still nobody has tapped into (GRID does not count), and still looking like nobody will.
 
I have DFGT.

I haven't driven any laps this week, I have no idea how the leaderboards look atm and I'm pretty sure that I've lost all of my "touch" (if there ever was any) :scared:
 
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