Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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Leonidae@MFT
All they need to do to get an increase in sales is to add supercharger for the Toyota and a turbo for the Subaru version. How hard can that be? Sure, there would be price bump but atleast it would be better justified than the 5hp/5nm tweak they just had..
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Seriously, how long have customers been asking for this? What is Toyota/Subaru's reason for not producing these?
 
Dan
Seriously, how long have customers been asking for this? What is Toyota/Subaru's reason for not producing these?
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According to Subaru people, it would interfere with the WRX.
To be honest, I don't see why it would, considering that they are in a sense two completely different things.

Toyota just has no excuse for not fitting a TRD Supercharger on the 86 because it really has nothing to interfere with in their lineup.
 
Grandea GTR
According to Subaru people, it would interfere with the WRX.
To be honest, I don't see why it would, considering that they are in a sense two completely different things.

Toyota just has no excuse for not fitting a TRD Supercharger on the 86 because it really has nothing to interfere with in their lineup.
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I'm surprised they didn't just slap a turbo on the WRX and called it a day. It's so simple, and it would make them several grand more on each car. Right now, that money is going to third-party tuners. Toyota and Subaru are missing out on a great opportunity.
 
Maybe for the same reason Mazda don't put one on the MX-5.
People say they don't mind the added cost. That's horsepucky.
When the 86BR-Z was developed, everyone were looking at cost. Had that car come out with a $35KUSA price tag, the world would have flipped.
Here, the car came in under $30kAUD where the MX-5 was $50kAUD.
Now, the MX-5 is at that magic $30k, the 86 is at a good price. It was made for people to customize.
When I worked for Subaru, the BR-Z had an optional S package. That added like $10kAUD to the then $35kAUD price and that's without a turbo. If I remember, that was just suspension, wheels and a shortshift kit.
 
Indeed, it would add way too much to the price. If you want more power, there are German companies that offer supercharger kits that boost the output to 280hp. All you'd need then is a trottle remapping, and a better set of tyres.

Arguably the stock tyres are already on the edge for a light 200hp car.
 
R1600Turbo
Pretty sure they said they did that on purpose. They are the same tires that come on the Prius. :P
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Thus why I don't think it should come with more power out of the factory. A TRD model would be so expensive that it would be hard to justify.

I could easily see Toyota charge 40-45k euros, seeing the current model new is 32k euros. And that is a lot for what you get. Which is why I bought one second hand.
 
R1600Turbo
Pretty sure they said they did that on purpose. They are the same tires that come on the Prius. :P
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They are, but unfortunately the unintended side effect of having tyres that relinquish grip easily for sideways fun is a surprisingly nervous feel to the car. Definitely think there's a happy medium between the iffy Prius tyres and having too much grip.
 
Bram Turismo
Which is why I bought one second hand.
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Plus, the new car has only 5hp more, that's excellent value. Hmm, you got me thinking... 💡

Edit: Watching the Toyota 86 series as they'rd doing a piece in detail, about the racer. What a way to sell a car. 👍

$25kAUD or less + Cost of car
 
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05XR8
Plus, the new car has only 5hp more, that's excellent value. Hmm, you got me thinking... 💡

Edit: Watching the Toyota 86 series as they'rd doing a piece in detail, about the racer. What a way to sell a car. 👍

$25kAUD or less + Cost of car
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Mine's a 2012 model, and had only 15,000km on the clock when I bought it last December. Bought it for 22k euros, and got an extra set of rims with winter tyres "on the house" with it.

So it was basically still a new car, and I got it for 10k cheaper. I think Toyota should price it at 28k new at most, seeing the 2.0 MX-5 is 26k in my country. And good-guy Mazda pretty much sells full options cars as standard.

I was torn between this, an S2000, and an RX-8. But seeing how these go for the same price, but with 100k km done, and much older, it was a no brainer to go with the 86. Add to that I've got factory warranty on it until 2018.

Still, I can't stop drooling everytime I see an RX-8. It is such a gorgeous thing!
 
That works. It's a little GT sports car. Insurance should be low. It is an alternative to those cars and something like a Silvia as well.

Another thing. The JDM market got steel wheel option, radio delete and black bumpers. I don't know how much less the car was for that but, would have been a cool idea for all markets.

One has to think a used FR-S could go do you a little under an 86 due to the name. It's almost like the modern Plymouth Laser. Which, may be a blessing, as it won't be too sought after.
 
homeforsummer
They are, but unfortunately the unintended side effect of having tyres that relinquish grip easily for sideways fun is a surprisingly nervous feel to the car. Definitely think there's a happy medium between the iffy Prius tyres and having too much grip.
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Have you even tried the car IRL or ingame? Judging by the GT6 physics the car has very stable handling, kinda like an MX-5... Very much opposite than nervous
 
05XR8
When the 86BR-Z was developed, everyone were looking at cost.
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That's mostly because many expected that the car would start at a lower price than it actually did. Just look at this thread while it was in development, and pretty much everyone but the guy who placed his deposit and spent the rest of his time afterward arguing that the car had no flaws was surprised by how much it was when it actually debuted. In America the Mustang always cast at least a bit of a shadow over it, perhaps less so now that it is more of a lardass than it was in 2013 and you are forced to put up with (and pay for!) the Ecoboost if you want any equipment; but still.

Now that it is so much lighter than before, if the Camaro wasn't so... uh... it probably would be more of a sticking point as well.
 
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Which is why a turbo or supercharger for the 86BR-Z could not come standard. I'd say, if this car were marketed more upscale, we all would expect forced induction.
I'd the 2.0T or 2.5T from the base WRX were inserted from the start, people would be thinking Silvia, 944T, S2000, 350Z levels of performance. Toyota would market themselves right out of that group of young new car buyers.

I think I've posted seeing mostly women and mid-age men in 86s(I did speak to some people who said, the 86 reminds them of their past Celicas). Even that's died off a bit. I do see mostly younger buyers in BR-Zs though.
 
I'm wondering if tuners are putting EJ25's in the 86? I mean, the engine is tiny, and the engine bay is actually huge if you see how much space there is left. EKanoo put a 2JZ in their 86, and there's a guy on YouTube working on putting a Ferrari 458 engine in his 86. Surely you could easily fit an EJ25 in there?
 
Bram Turismo
I'm wondering if tuners are putting EJ25's in the 86? I mean, the engine is tiny, and the engine bay is actually huge if you see how much space there is left. EKanoo put a 2JZ in their 86, and there's a guy on YouTube working on putting a Ferrari 458 engine in his 86. Surely you could easily fit an EJ25 in there?
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Yes you can, and the EZ30 has also been done.
 
Subaru Australia
SUBARU has lopped up to $1735 off the price of its popular BRZ sportscar, with the facelifted version of its spicy two-door rolling into showrooms in late-November.

The BRZ will beat its twin, the Toyota 86, to Australian shores, with the latter sports coupe likely to arrive before the end of the year.

Pricing for the BRZ now starts at $32,990 plus on-road costs for the manual, which represents a saving of $1230 over the previous base variant, while the automatic is now $1735 cheaper at $34,990.

The more generously specified Premium is now $34,490 for the manual, a saving of $1187, and the auto is priced from $36,490 – a drop of $1692.

Previous BRZ pricing was driveaway and it ranged from $37,150 for the base manual to $41,230 for the Premium auto.

Toyota’s 86 is currently priced from $29,990 plus on-roads for the GT manual through to $38,490 for the GTS auto, although it is unclear if pricing will change when the refreshed version arrives.

As reported in August when the updated version was revealed, the BRZ gains a 5kW and 7Nm power and torque boost to 152kW/212Nm, helping improve the 0-100km/h sprint time by 0.2 seconds to 7.4s for manual versions. The 0-100km/h time for the auto variants has not changed and remains at 8.2s.

Under the skin the BRZ also gets chassis modifications including a revised suspension tune with stiffer front suspension towers, a reinforced cross-member and revised spring and damper settings, as well as an enhanced exhaust for improved throttle response and performance.

Visually, the BRZ gains new LED head and tail-lights, new bumper design that Subaru says makes for a wider and lower look and a new 17-inch alloy wheel design.

Inside, upgrades include red stitching and optional BRZ-embossed front seats, upgraded infotainment system, new instrument gauges, a new steering wheel and functions such as fully automatic air-conditioning, hill start assist and Vehicle Dynamics Control ‘Track’ mode.

The Premium grade adds leather/Alcantara trim and heated front seats.

Subaru Australia managing director Colin Christie said the car-maker has seen an up-tick in interest in showrooms since the update was announced back in August.

“BRZ is an even more compelling package when you consider the upgrades to specification at less cost to customers,” he said.

“Despite exchange rate pressures, our strong relationship with the factory has produced a great result for BRZ fans and that’s reflected in the volume of showroom interest since we teased the specification upgrades in August.”

Sales of the BRZ have slid to the end of September this year, with registrations down by 50.5 per cent to 246 units compared with the 497 in same period last year.

It trails its Toyota-badged twin by some margin, with the 86 recording 1713 registrations so far this year, a 27.7 per cent slump over the first nine months of 2015.

The 86 is still the second most popular model in the sub-$80,000 sportscar segment behind the wildly popular Ford Mustang that has found 4621 homes so far this year.

2016 Subaru BRZ pricing*
BRZ $32,990
BRZ (a) $34,990
BRZ Premium $34,490
BRZ Premium (a) $36,490
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