Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

[jjaisli]

I'm not sure if this is really 'news'. That carscoops article refers back to an Autocar article as it's source. (here--> http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-generation-toyota-gt86-expected-2019

And I believe the quotes Autocar picked up from Karl Schlicht are almost 2 years old and are just being recycled as click bait, with maybe 1-2 new or revised statements thrown in. There's no date listed in the Autocar inteview and Karl Schlicht made nearly identical comments back in Oct of 2014. Variations of that same statement have been floating around on the FT86 forums from numerous automotive blogs and picked up by other sources since late 2014 and were recycled again in late 2015 as if it was new information. And here we are again in late 2016.

So I don't think there's really anything new here and it's just old and potentially outdated information. It's just fascinating how this story is being picked up by dozens of different automotive sites when the original source is so sketchy on details.

 

[05XR8]

http://www.motoring.com.au/tokyo-auto-salon-subaru-shows-off-brz-sti-concept-105268/
I don't think Toyota/Subaru will ever do a turbo. Just thinking about the AE86. The Twin Cam-16 model was enough in its time. People just customised it. That's what these cars are about since debut. Buy it at a low price and build it how you want. The aftermarket ain't lacking for performance products.

 

[sumbrownkid]

http://www.motoring.com.au/tokyo-auto-salon-subaru-shows-off-brz-sti-concept-105268/
I don't think Toyota/Subaru will ever do a turbo. Just thinking about the AE86. The Twin Cam-16 model was enough in its time. People just customised it. That's what these cars are about since debut. Buy it at a low price and build it how you want. The aftermarket ain't lacking for performance products.

Well maybe if the car lasts long enough down the line that they decide to downsize the engine to meet any future emissions/fuel requirements.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Well maybe if the car lasts long enough down the line that they decide to downsize the engine to meet any future emissions/fuel requirements.

Funny you say that, because I saw an article the other day talking about Subaru developing smaller engines for future applications.

 

[05XR8]

Funny you say that, because I saw an article the other day talking about Subaru developing smaller engines for future applications.

If that 1.2-1.6T makes it to the 86 with similar output to the 2.0 NA, that'll be fine as an option(might go better in an S-FR ).

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I wish Subaru or Toyota would make a 2.5L option. Slightly lower revving but more torquey. The power output could remain unchanged...a bit like Honda did with the AP2 S2000.

 

[Bram Turismo]

I disagree, a larger engine doesn't fit this car. It beats the point of staying affordable. And yes, in some countries there is a big difference in insurance and taxes based on engine size.

2L is plenty, but one could wonder whether engine options could have been a good idea. Then again, I am perfectly fine with mine, and for those who have the extra cash laying about, there are entire kits available to boost the power output.

 

[Tornado]

So offer it in a country that doesn't; especially since those places seem to be the loudest in saying that a 2 liter with a football field gap in the torque curve isn't enough oomph for it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I was more surprised Forsberg wasn't running a V8 in the 370z

 

[CodeRedR51]

I was more surprised Forsberg wasn't running a V8 in the 370z

He's actually joining up with Tuerck this season in FD and he's building a new 370Z, but will be dropping the V8 and using a twin turbo VQ V6 instead. This black car was just a side project, though I have a feeling it's a test bed of sorts.

 

[VXR]

Somehow, someway, get this monster into FM7.

 

[Bram Turismo]

So offer it in a country that doesn't; especially since those places seem to be the loudest in saying that a 2 liter with a football field gap in the torque curve isn't enough oomph for it.

Simply offer a slightly tuned version of the 2L then? Up the power to 220hp or so, and boost the torque in the lower range. Hell, there are simple engine remapping and engine tunes widely available that address this issue. I don't see any need for a different engine all together to be offered.

It's fine as is. Hell, if you've got too much money, just put a 2JZ in there, or an EJ15. There are too many options to list here that are possible with the GT86.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

He's actually joining up with Tuerck this season in FD and he's building a new 370Z, but will be dropping the V8 and using a twin turbo VQ V6 instead. This black car was just a side project, though I have a feeling it's a test bed of sorts.

You mean something he should have done long ago, rather than just doing what everyone else was doing.

 

[CodeRedR51]

You mean something he should have done long ago, rather than just doing what everyone else was doing.

Nah, using an LS is doing what everyone else is doing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nah, using an LS is doing what everyone else is doing.

No that's what the new runners do, the guys with money buy V8s that aren't LS. Guys running a Nissan car usually bought VKs, those running Lexus or Toyota usually got a UZ line and then you had odd ball buys like NASCAR v8s or custom one offs. Going the V8 route is what everyone was doing, I know it's a joke you've made but in all seriousness, I'd have appreciated the sport more if they hadn't gone the cheap route and tried things like V6 tts more often.

Anyways this has little to do with the Febreze Tobaru, I hope that the next version has more limited models that try to play homage to the original 86

 

[CodeRedR51]

Limiting production numbers now?

 

[homeforsummer]

Limiting production numbers now?

Suspect "limiting imports" is more accurate than "limiting production". US isn't the only country that takes the 86, remember.

 

[niky]

I disagree, a larger engine doesn't fit this car. It beats the point of staying affordable. And yes, in some countries there is a big difference in insurance and taxes based on engine size.

2L is plenty, but one could wonder whether engine options could have been a good idea. Then again, I am perfectly fine with mine, and for those who have the extra cash laying about, there are entire kits available to boost the power output.

Ultra-late response, but if taxes are what matter, the magic number in many parts of Asia is 1.5.

A turbocharged 1.5 liter four, with the same top end and more torque, would certainly improve the car.

Of course, there is the issue of throttle response, but against the current car's gigantic torque hole, that's a minor sin.

 

[YSSMAN]

Gotta wonder if Subaru would be developing something around that size for the Impreza, and could adapt it to the BRZ/86. Anything with a little more meat on the torque curve, even if it meant a few less BHP, would probably play well.

 

[Switcher]

Most recent 1.5L Flat 4 ever made by Subaru was the EL15 for the 2006-???? Impreza. It had 108-109ish horsepower. A turbo version would be interesting.

 

[Tornado]

Simply offer a slightly tuned version of the 2L then? Up the power to 220hp or so, and boost the torque in the lower range.

Making the torque curve even worse is an interesting way of solving the issue.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I've driven an FR-S. The last thing that car needs is more RPMs. The engine is pretty harsh. A 2.5 that was still harsh, but at least delivered some muscular torque down low would give the car a much more enjoyable character.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Making the torque curve even worse is an interesting way of solving the issue.

?

It doesn't lack torque between 5,000-7,500 rpm. That's the only time it actually goes anywhere.
It's everywhere between 2,0000-5,000 rpm that pretty much nothing happens.

 

[FT-1]

U.S. spec BRZ STI teased



The prototype has been spotted featuring a similar aerokit to the JDM STI models, it remains unknown if we will see a power boost or if the STI will reach European markets.

 

[GTboyz]

That wing is awful

 

[bremics]

It basically confirmed to be nothing more than an aero job I thought? The NA of the tn edition or something.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

That wing is awful

Toyota and Subaru seem determined to take the ZN6 twins in consistently bad directions. I can't tell if its because of misguided idealism or cheapness. That wing is unbelievably stupid and probably mostly for aesthetic purposes.

It drives me crazy that the ZN6 cars have such a good chassis but such poor styling/detailing, poor quality interior, and such a raunchy feeling engine. If it was half as good to drive, but twice as good looking, they would probably sell 4x as many.

 

[bremics]

Toyota and Subaru seem determined to take the ZN6 twins in consistently bad directions. I can't tell if its because of misguided idealism or cheapness. That wing is unbelievably stupid and probably mostly for aesthetic purposes.

It drives me crazy that the ZN6 cars have such a good chassis but such poor styling/detailing, poor quality interior, and such a raunchy feeling engine. If it was half as good to drive, but twice as good looking, they would probably sell 4x as many.

My brother wanted one super bad, was always browsing autotrader and such for deals was his "realistic dream car"... then he sat in it at a car show and never talked about it again. He said it just felt way too cheap.

 

[jjaisli]

That wing is unbelievably stupid and probably mostly for aesthetic purposes.

It drives me crazy that the ZN6 cars have such a good chassis but such poor styling/detailing, poor quality interior, and such a raunchy feeling engine. If it was half as good to drive, but twice as good looking, they would probably sell 4x as many.

I can't see the wing being of any use on the road, but it actually looks potentially functional.

I know you've mentioned the rough engine before. And I still say you probably drove a car that hadn't been fully broken in, or was abused like hell. The characteristics of of my own FRS changed noticeably after about 2,000 miles. It's not the sweetest or smoothest powerplant on earth by a long shot, but I would never use the word rough to describe it.

(To be perfectly fair, my car hasn't been road legal in quite some time. It's not running a cat, it has UEL headers, and a straight mid-pipe, and a custom tune that's designed for track use.) The higher it revs, the better it feels & sounds. But that was the case in stock form too. (however long ago that was).