Seasonal Tuning Challenge 2 :It's over. Thanks for coming :D

[Onboy123]

I PM'ed you and you said:
"Don't look at me..."

Ehh, I'm also getting worse at the damn track after more laps, I've no idea how I did two laps before with 1.55.5xx.

I never turn down a test drive, you know? I just postpone it until I'm free.

Take a break and go drive something faster for a change would be my first suggestion.

 

[trackripper123]

I never turn down a test drive, you know? I just postpone it until I'm free.

Take a break and go drive something faster for a change would be my first suggestion.

I've given up altogether now, it's probably at or near its best, I just need to get the extra 30 miles or so breaking it in. Getting Bob to run it around the Lupo Cup Nurb event works pretty well.

 

[krenkme]

Prune ahha. Oh what a menacing name.

Scary, isn't it

I think its total time in the Seasonal event that counts actually.

Yes it is.


Okay time to clear some things up (although it seems everyone has figured it out already )
The time that is to be recorded is the total time for the race. There is a prize for fastest lap, so if you want that post your lap as well.

As posted in the rules, oil change and brake in is a must.

I know four tunes have been posted and they will be linked within the next 12hrs.

Have a great day

 

[trackripper123]

Anyone trying to build my tune, wait up, the settings that I posted yesterday are outdated, use the shared car instead.

 

[shmogt]

Wait. I read you people say oil change mandatory. Does this mean I have to do everything again?

 

[Onboy123]

Wait. I read you people say oil change mandatory. Does this mean I have to do everything again?

More toss an air filter out and call it a day after some new oil has been put in, but it's not that big a deal, really.

 

[krenkme]

Wait. I read you people say oil change mandatory. Does this mean I have to do everything again?

To be fair to everyone, it was stated in the OP that an oil change, and engine brake in was mandatory. Sorry for any confusion

 

[GranTourist]

Opel Corsa "DTM-Edition"

Do you remember the old touring cars of the legendary DTM?
Now you can have all the fun and excitement of an Opel DTM Car with your Opel Corsa too!
Big racing fun for the small wallet.

Check out the highlights of this FF-Rocket:
-meets the regulations of the Seasonal Tuning Challenge for FF cars @ 380pp
-competitive as a 430PP-car (sometimes...)
-original Opel racing livery white-yellow
-high perfomance engine tuning stage 3
-loudest available pipe fitted at the rear end (remember: loud pipes save lifes!)

Get ready to be a part of the great Opel motorsport myth!


Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01 "DTM Edition"

Max Power: an impressive 148HP
Weight: 918kg
Performance Points: 380

Installed Parts
Fully customisable Transmission
Twin plate clutch
Semi-race flywheel
Fully customisable LSD
Fully customisable suspension
Sports Hard Tyres
All available engine-parts except for turbo
Engine Stage 3
Weight Stage 2

Ride Height: +20/-25
Spring Rate: 6.0/4.0
Extension: 7/5
Compression: 5/3
Anti roll bar: 1/6

Camber: 2.2/0.5
Toe: -0.15/-0.25

LSD: 10/25/05

Brake Balance: 4/7

Gearing
First set max. speed to low end (160 km/h)
Then adjust the gears to follwing:
1st: 3.539
2nd: 2.824
3rd: 2.280
4th: 1.820
5th: 1.463
6th: Sorry - no 6-gear-trani for old Opels!
Then set final to: 2.500

Car is on share and friendship messages to the testers are out.

Good luck!

 

[Onboy123]

-loudest available pipe fitted at the rear end (remember: loud pipes save lifes!)

👍

And wut? Corsa? Sporty intentions? Does not compute.

Nah, I kid, the tune looks alright for a first tune, though the lack of an LSD does worry me slightly.

 

[GranTourist]

And wut? Corsa? Sporty intentions? Does not compute.

Well, to be honest, it went like this:
"Did you hear about that latest tuning challenge for FF on GTPlanet? Don't we still have that Corsa standing around somewhere that nobody ever wanted?"
"Yes, but who could be fooled with that joke of a car in a tuning competition? No testdriver would ever touch that car not even with a ten foot pole!"
"I know, but if we place the car next to a real cool race car and tell the people some marketing blah blah, it could work."
"Well ok, let's give it a try then..."

Nah, I kid, the tune looks alright for a first tune, though the lack of an LSD does worry me slightly.

But what happend to the LSD I installed? Was it stolen? You just can't leave a car on share unattended for one minute!

 

[trackripper123]

^I get the feeling you'll fit right in here, GranTourist

Onboy how could you be so cruel as to steal his LSD!

 

[XDesperado67]

^I get the feeling you'll fit right in here, GranTourist

Onboy how could you be so cruel as to steal his LSD!

He's an Outlaw and after giving his fearless leader one of his obviously prized Celicas, was obviously in the mood for a little larceny. I'm just surprised he left the wheels on it...

 

[VTiRoj]

Onboy how could you be so cruel as to steal his LSD!

Karma. You know how those Corsa-driving chavs like to steal things? Well this is karma biting back.

 

[shmogt]

More toss an air filter out and call it a day after some new oil has been put in, but it's not that big a deal, really.

Ya that's prob what I will do. Hopefully I end up with more HP lol

To be fair to everyone, it was stated in the OP that an oil change, and engine brake in was mandatory. Sorry for any confusion

I thought it was like make sure the car is broken in fully srot of thing. My car had a oil change before and can not gain HP anymore so I thought it was fine. It's cool tho I'll change things.

 

[VTiRoj]

I asked Baka about this rule in the last shootout. I'll share the conversation with you all.

"Ensure you have fully broken in the car and changed the oil before placing it on share. Rule breakers will get a finger-waggle and a frowny face...I'm not kidding."

I didn't change the oil, but there's no chance of the original oil going bad during testing. Do I still need to oil change?

^To clarify, I was using a premium car.

Nah, go ahead and leave it. As long as the power isn't gonna fall of a cliff I'll call it fine. Just trying to avoid people getting extra downforce or power because of bad oil.

Maybe that should be added to the OP for future STC events. Hope that helps everyone. 👍

 

[CSLACR]

Define "oil change" first.
Fresh oil?
Oil that doesn't set off the dirty oil indicator?
Engine rebuild?

There's a lot of twists available, and without banning high-mileage cars there's still a workaround if you try to enforce all of the above.

I think "no oil indicator" is enough. Anyone that really wants to enter a car losing power does so at their own power loss.
Very simple and fair.

 

[XDesperado67]

Define "oil change" first.
Fresh oil?
Oil that doesn't set off the dirty oil indicator?
Engine rebuild?

There's a lot of twists available, and without banning high-mileage cars there's still a workaround if you try to enforce all of the above.

I think "no oil indicator" is enough. Anyone that really wants to enter a car losing power does so at their own power loss.
Very simple and fair.

A fresh oil change or engine rebuild before placing on share is the idea.
If you've changed the oil then ran 5 races before placing on share odds are the testers are likely to encounter power loss during testing.
Even higher mileage cars that have permanent power loss should be good for 4-5 races without losing additional power if the engine is rebuilt or oil changed immediately prior to placing on share.
Problem in past Shootouts was that without the maintenance done immediately prior to placing the car on share they would start losing power almost immediately making it difficult to do any sort consistent testing.

 

[CSLACR]

A fresh oil change or engine rebuild before placing on share is the idea.

And what is guaranteed to happen if a tester reaches 140 miles?

If you've changed the oil then ran 5 races before placing on share odds are the testers are likely to encounter power loss during testing.

If the car is newer than 3,000 miles power loss without changing the oil is impossible.

Even higher mileage cars that have permanent power loss should be good for 4-5 races without losing additional power if the engine is rebuilt or oil changed immediately prior to placing on share.

Engine rebuild, yes, oil change, not necessarily.

Problem in past Shootouts was that without the maintenance done immediately prior to placing the car on share they would start losing power almost immediately making it difficult to do any sort consistent testing.

I don't know, if the testers lose power and set a lap with a less than optimal amount of power due to a tuners own neglect, who's problem should that be?


The main complaints I remember hearing (over time) were all about fairness, not difficulty of testing. I was unaware that testers catered this by re-borrowing cars, I know I've certainly never done it. Any tests I've done were with whatever the tuner gives me, I don't check the tuning screen at all except checking regulation requirements before the test.
I thought that was the norm, I take it it's not?

 

[GeeBaby]

So if a car starts loosing power from running lots of races, can't you take it off share, change the oil again, chassis and put it back on share?

 

[VTiRoj]

And what is guaranteed to happen if a tester reaches 140 miles?

A question of their sanity. We're supposed to do 5 laps, not 500.

 

[XDesperado67]

@CSLACR the losing power during testing has always been my biggest complaint all the way back to your 600PP Indy Shootout and Praiano's ZZII.

@GeeBaby yes a tester can reborrow a car which effectively resets it for him, but if you have to reborrow a car after every race because its losing power due to bad oil the testers are most likely going to either be highly annoyed or else as CSLACR says just not bother and the times will likely suffer as a consequence.

 

[CSLACR]

A question of their sanity. We're supposed to do 5 laps, not 500.

I couldn't change my oil when ugabugaz lost power in my GTR. It was brand new already.

I can see the goal here, and I agree with it 100%, but having no oil indicator light on accomplishes exactly what the oil change rule does, with less interference, and it's slightly more inclusive.

I can enter a car with a new oil change that loses power, if the mileage is right.
I can enter a car with an older oil change that is not "new" but still effective, and I'm no bit more likely to lose power than a high-mileage car with an oil change.
The only difference between the two is restriction, and that new oil can be worn out, if an extreme scenario happens.

 

[shmogt]

My car had an oil change a looong time ago. It has the oil change light on now and has something crazy like 60,000 miles. It's HP will not change

 

[XDesperado67]

I couldn't change my oil when ugabugaz lost power in my GTR. It was brand new already.

I can see the goal here, and I agree with it 100%, but having no oil indicator light on accomplishes exactly what the oil change rule does, with less interference, and it's slightly more inclusive.

I can enter a car with a new oil change that loses power, if the mileage is right.
I can enter a car with an older oil change that is not "new" but still effective, and I'm no bit more likely to lose power than a high-mileage car with an oil change.
The only difference between the two is restriction, and that new oil can be worn out, if an extreme scenario happens.

Cases do happen that are beyond our control, but if the services are done immediately prior to placing the car on share it minimizes the likelihood of them occurring.
Also since your saying power loss on new oil doesn't occur until 140miles when does the oil light come on?
If it doesn't come on until 140+miles have been reached then I could drive the car 139miles and place it on share with it still showing me having good oil. Yes its on the tuner if their car has power loss due to bad oil or whatever but servicing a car first takes less than a minute and should make everyone's lives easier and more pleasant.👍👍

 

[VTiRoj]

I couldn't change my oil when ugabugaz lost power in my GTR. It was brand new already.

I can see the goal here, and I agree with it 100%, but having no oil indicator light on accomplishes exactly what the oil change rule does, with less interference, and it's slightly more inclusive.

I can enter a car with a new oil change that loses power, if the mileage is right.
I can enter a car with an older oil change that is not "new" but still effective, and I'm no bit more likely to lose power than a high-mileage car with an oil change.
The only difference between the two is restriction, and that new oil can be worn out, if an extreme scenario happens.

I think if testers are willing to test cars for extreme periods, then they should also re-borrow the car to reset the oil. It's not the tuner's fault if the tester wants to do hundreds of miles instead of the standard 20 or so.

As for the oil change rule, perhaps we should just make it a rule that if the oil light comes on during the 5 lap period, then the tuner needs to take the car off share and put some fresh oil in it. Oil must last the entire 5 lap testing period.

 

[krenkme]

Wow, all I wanted was a fun, quick shootout. I didn't expect this to turn into a heated debate.

The changing of the oil is just a regulation, just like a fully broken in car, 380pp, no power limiting, and no ballast. Just things that are stated in the OP and should be followed. If a host of a shootout stated that all cars should be red, all tuners would have to pain there car red. It is just a rule for the shootout, no reason behind it, just a thing that everyone has to do.

Sorry it is causing so many problems, I just wanted a fun mini-shootout

 

[VTiRoj]

Wow, all I wanted was a fun, quick shootout. I didn't expect this to turn into a heated debate.

The changing of the oil is just a regulation, just like a fully broken in car, 380pp, no power limiting, and no ballast. Just things that are stated in the OP and should be followed. If a host of a shootout stated that all cars should be red, all tuners would have to pain there car red. It is just a rule for the shootout, no reason behind it, just a thing that everyone has to do.

Sorry it is causing so many problems, I just wanted a fun mini-shootout

Whoever hosts the next shootout, make this happen.

 

[XDesperado67]

Whoever hosts the next shootout, make this happen.

Don't know about red but I was thinking of requiring them to be painted Envy...

 

[shmogt]

Lol stupid oil change rule has screwed me over pretty good. So I did a engine restore instead figuring that would be better than a oil change which it is however with absolutely every performance part uninstalled I hit 381pp. I can lower power limiter to 99.4% to hit 380pp and the same power as what is listed before is the same, but that is also not allowed. I assume I have to choose another car to be allowed in?

 

[XDesperado67]

Lol stupid oil change rule has screwed me over pretty good. So I did a engine restore instead figuring that would be better than a oil change which it is however with absolutely every performance part uninstalled I hit 381pp. I can lower power limiter to 99.4% to hit 380pp and the same power as what is listed before is the same, but that is also not allowed. I assume I have to choose another car to be allowed in?

Make bob drive it until it suffers permanent power loss or find a higher mileage one and your problem is solved.