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yeah. i hope that really improves in gt6... for example they use brakes on daytona... -.- DA ***, you can easily full throttle that track. The bigger the track the worse it gets too. -.-
SHOE's COMPLETE GUIDE TO LE MANS 24h RACING
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yeah. i hope that really improves in gt6... for example they use brakes on daytona... -.- DA ***, you can easily full throttle that track. The bigger the track the worse it gets too. -.-
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I am 8 hours into it now. I choose to go with the premium Audi R10 TDI. The fastest AI car is the 2001 Audi R8. It is absolutely faster than my car the first lap on new tires and then I am faster than the AI the 2nd lap. I am running on Racing hard tires and it's been dry the whole time. I can possible make it 3 laps but tires are almost less the half at the end of lap 2 so a 3rd lap will really be a slow lap. 2 laps of racing soft tires can only be done by running really slow laps and not pushing it and short shifting. AI pit every 2 laps so no point running soft tires.
The edge of track pavement where there is grass is absurdity spin out city if a rear tire comes near it.
During 2 lap testing the AI R8 was not this quick and he is relentless now after the AI has got by all the other slower cars. The whole time Ive lead only 3 -20 seconds and was thinking I made a mistake when it became dark and I lost my 20 second lead. I dont have the line on and I do a game save every so often just in case I spin out and lose the lead. Ive had to use it a few times, it hard to make perfect laps with the grass being so slippery. The AI run over the grass all the time and dont spin out.
I am only leading from pit stops. There is no need to run a full tank, and the R10 uses a lot less fuel then the R8. So I am able to keep ahead from pit strategy. If I have a good 2 laps I grab a few more liters of fuel. Then I can take less the next time and drop my pit stop time and gain seconds of time on the AI.
Fastest lap Ive done is 7:56 and next lap is 8:30. Out of 2 laps there isnt a lap that doesnt get effected by pit stops. Guessing that the AIs first lap is around 7:50 and 2nd lap around 8:50. For those wanting a challenging race. Its very tight race and very little room allowed for spin out, if you can push in both laps and take only 2 liters extra a fuel you can grow the lead. Also helps if the AI come up on a really quick AI car that he has to lap. He can get stuck behind that car in the twisties. You start out with 100 l of fuel so and you only need to take on about 30 l for 2 laps. So that means you have 70 l of pit stop fueling time to take advantage of.
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I am thinking about attempting the 24h ring race with the xj13. Definately going to be a very hard race. However, great job so far with the r10. I have an idea though. Have you tried running the mediums? Might be able to get two laps that are faster than the hard tires.
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In 24 hours at the Ring and lots of testing I never failed to gain on any of the AI cars with a lap under 8:10 or a similar pace on a lap including fueling. I didn't closely examine the silver R8s but did run with at least one and didn't notice it being significantly faster than the Playstation R8 or the Bentley that I raced against. In testing I never saw an AI car record a lap under 8:10 except the first lap of the race, the fastest cars generally ran 8:12.
During the race it's harder to say for sure as I can only compare laps when I was near another car since I had the HUD off. And I didn't spend too much time near the R8 or Speed 8 after the first couple hours. But running 8:35-8:05 stints gained steadily. Once I found I could do 3 laps(which I could never do in testing) 8:44-7:58-8:12 would gain quite nicely once you gained the pit stop on them - roughly broke even on pure pace.
It did seem like they sped up a bit during the race at one point, but I probably was just not driving as good as I thought I was. The Bentley finished about a minute ahead of the R8 which was closer than I expected. 787B is the third-fastest car I observed in testing(not counting the other R8s) but it finished a lap and a couple minutes down.
During the race it's harder to say for sure as I can only compare laps when I was near another car since I had the HUD off. And I didn't spend too much time near the R8 or Speed 8 after the first couple hours. But running 8:35-8:05 stints gained steadily. Once I found I could do 3 laps(which I could never do in testing) 8:44-7:58-8:12 would gain quite nicely once you gained the pit stop on them - roughly broke even on pure pace.
It did seem like they sped up a bit during the race at one point, but I probably was just not driving as good as I thought I was. The Bentley finished about a minute ahead of the R8 which was closer than I expected. 787B is the third-fastest car I observed in testing(not counting the other R8s) but it finished a lap and a couple minutes down.
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I would SERIOUSLY want to run a VLN type race at Nürburgring 24h, for 24h, but damn, hearing all of this Audi R8/Bentley stuff... Kazunori races in the VLN!?!?!?! *taking my rant to a GT6 thread, I assure you...* I just want clarification, before I rant over there.
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Yes, it really would be nice if the race resembled the real thing instead all those insane cars. I don't mind racing those cars on that track (so what if they "can't" in real life, that's part of the point of video games) but it is beyond goofy using them for the 24 hour race.
I guess maybe since it's such a difficult track they leave it for the final unlocked event, and they want to use the fastest cars around(other than formula cars or the wacky X cars) in the final event. But there's actually only a few options chosen from those cars... no C60 Hybride, no 88c-v, no R89/92 etc.
And yet there was a drift Skyline (starting on pole) in my race. He finished 23 laps down in 24 hours. I guess that's supposed to simulate how there's all those slow cars in the real race, but it's just an annoying waste of a spot in a 12 car race. Oh well, that's Gran Tursimo for you.
I guess maybe since it's such a difficult track they leave it for the final unlocked event, and they want to use the fastest cars around(other than formula cars or the wacky X cars) in the final event. But there's actually only a few options chosen from those cars... no C60 Hybride, no 88c-v, no R89/92 etc.
And yet there was a drift Skyline (starting on pole) in my race. He finished 23 laps down in 24 hours. I guess that's supposed to simulate how there's all those slow cars in the real race, but it's just an annoying waste of a spot in a 12 car race. Oh well, that's Gran Tursimo for you.
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My Nurb race rained until 19hrs and then was raining again at 22hrs. But while it was dry, I was running 8min or slightly sub and my lead was maintained but I didn't pull away.
Racing Softs lasted 2 laps but were shot half way through the second.
Racing Hards lasted 3 laps but were shot half way through the third.
Racing Mediums lasted 2 laps nicely and I maintained the lead with them.
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That really dropped my lap times. Killing the AI's R8 now even can take a spin per lap. Now I am 1 lap up and have 4.5 hours to go. No rain at all during this race.
The car is a lot more easier to turn mid corner now back end does have a tendency to come out but overall it is faster then having under the mid corner under steer.
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AfrodeezyDid you make use of the BMW McLaren F1 GTR I had on share? I took it off a couple days because I just got it & want to use it on the 650pp Seasonal 4 on the 'ring
I actually havent yet. I've been really busy and haven't had much time to play. I have one of my own now, so you can use it as you wish now. Thank you though
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In my B-spec race the 787B was also the 3rd fastest car behind the 2 R8s. What surprised me slightly was that the "Works" R8 finished more than a lap ahead of the Playstation R8. The A.I R8s usually ran around the 9.00 mark in the dry with a best lap of 8.20. The 2nd place R8 lapped the last place LMS R8 10 times in the race. As you said, it shows just how slow those cars actually are.
I see no reason why the LMP cars couldn't be used in the real race because they are designed for a 24 hour race. Ofcourse the Ring is a much, much harder track than La Sarthe but group C cars used to run around the Ring. If group C cars could take it, then I don't see why LMP cars couldn't. Just imagine 3 audi R10s and 3 Peugeot 908 Hdis battling it out
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In my B-spec race the 787B was also the 3rd fastest car behind the 2 R8s. What surprised me slightly was that the "Works" R8 finished more than a lap ahead of the Playstation R8. The A.I R8s usually ran around the 9.00 mark in the dry with a best lap of 8.20. The 2nd place R8 lapped the last place LMS R8 10 times in the race. As you said, it shows just how slow those cars actually are.
I see no reason why the LMP cars couldn't be used in the real race because they are designed for a 24 hour race. Ofcourse the Ring is a much, much harder track than La Sarthe but group C cars used to run around the Ring. If group C cars could take it, then I don't see why LMP cars couldn't. Just imagine 3 audi R10s and 3 Peugeot 908 Hdis battling it out
Just imagine 2 top prototypes like that battling it out with a third team-mate car from one of them trying to interfere a bit with the other one --- and then imagine the whole pack of them coming up on 2 nearly street-spec Honda Civics in their own battle as a Golf is trying to pass them while closing down on its class leader.
That there might be more of the reason than just those cars vs the Ring. And the Ring 24 is ostensibly still supposed to be a pro-am race just like the other VLN races. The near-works GT3 cars in it now are probably pushing it enough as it is. Not that it wouldn't be cool to see those cars flying around the Ring of course.
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I guess maybe I should have looked closer at the "proper" R8's pace. I had thought they ran pretty similar to the Playstation one when I've seen them before. It can take some time and effort to get a truly accurate look at how fast a specific car runs, and I never had any more trouble getting around or away from the works car in testing. Both were clearly faster than the Bentley at Le Mans. I suppose B-Spec might change things a little bit, since they'll spend most of the race half-asleep and one car could be around competition more often to up its pace. Oh well, it's not a big problem, I still had the best race of my simracing life with just the Bentley and the slower R8.
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The R8s etc. are so fast that they were banned. The fastest car ever to go around the Nürburgring was Niko Heidfeld's F1 car, which he didn't drive flat-out.
Consider the ride height @ the Karussel. It wouldn't last 5 laps @ race pace. Le Mans is the wimpy little sister of VLN's 270+ cars, 100 corners, on a 25 km. long track.
Consider the ride height @ the Karussel. It wouldn't last 5 laps @ race pace. Le Mans is the wimpy little sister of VLN's 270+ cars, 100 corners, on a 25 km. long track.
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We know that Peugeot are known to behave that way
They would probably push an Audi off at Flugplatz
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Finished it.
Some video
Some video
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Yes I seem to remember reading that the BMW F1 car had gone round in 8 minutes or so. I remember being surprised at how slow this was. However it is very poorly suited to that track. With nothing faster than GT3 spec cars nowadays, Stefan Bellof's 6:11 looks permanently safe as the record. Unless Dan Gurney decides to bring out a Toyota Eagle MkIII and gets some driver to do it in about 5:45
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Thank you for the tips.
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Finally finished the 24h of Le Mans yesterday. Even with the knowledge of what everyone was posting, it turned out to be a pretty boring race, because I was too far ahead. A few noteworthy things:
- I was extremely lucky with the weather. Not a single drop of rain. Also, the field is always the same the first time you start the race after loading the game. Could it be that the weather is also always the same when you start the race straight after loading GT5...? (I must check that some time)
- I wanted to drive as long stints as possible, and found it extremely difficult to find a car/setup combination that would allow comfortable 6 laps even. I finally chose the Toyota 020 (stock with Praiano setup). I would have been able to do 6 lap stints with it, but did 5 laps through the whole race, because most of the AI-field was on 4/5-lap stints as well, and I was already gaining on them.
- Normal race pace was between 3:26 and 3:30, also through the night. (without getting held up by traffic)
- I did 392 laps total. Pescarolo Hybrid did 381 (or would have finished 382 after me).
- Doing constant 5 lap stints throughout the race means that I pitted 78 times, and with about 45 seconds a pitstop cost me with refuelling pretty much exactly 40 litres each time, that means I ran an average lap time of about 3:31, including a spin every other hour or so. (sometimes you just lose concentration)
- I made some calculations based on the data I gathered, and the result is that I could pick a car that is about 6 seconds slower to make it a close race, assuming I also do 5 lap stints.
- With 6 lap stints, I could probably even go up to 7 seconds slower, but the fact that the pitstops will take longer, because you need to take on more fuel, will diminish the effect.
- With 7 lap stints, I could go 7-8 seconds slower.
To find a car that will do 7 laps (because there is none that I know of in stock condition), I thought to maybe restrict one of the LMPs down to the desired laptime, because then it should also be easier on the tires. Something to be tested out thoroughly...
Next plan will be the Nürburgring 24 hours, of course, but now I'm seriously tempted to try Le Mans again in a slower car.
- I was extremely lucky with the weather. Not a single drop of rain. Also, the field is always the same the first time you start the race after loading the game. Could it be that the weather is also always the same when you start the race straight after loading GT5...? (I must check that some time)
- I wanted to drive as long stints as possible, and found it extremely difficult to find a car/setup combination that would allow comfortable 6 laps even. I finally chose the Toyota 020 (stock with Praiano setup). I would have been able to do 6 lap stints with it, but did 5 laps through the whole race, because most of the AI-field was on 4/5-lap stints as well, and I was already gaining on them.
- Normal race pace was between 3:26 and 3:30, also through the night. (without getting held up by traffic)
- I did 392 laps total. Pescarolo Hybrid did 381 (or would have finished 382 after me).
- Doing constant 5 lap stints throughout the race means that I pitted 78 times, and with about 45 seconds a pitstop cost me with refuelling pretty much exactly 40 litres each time, that means I ran an average lap time of about 3:31, including a spin every other hour or so. (sometimes you just lose concentration)
- I made some calculations based on the data I gathered, and the result is that I could pick a car that is about 6 seconds slower to make it a close race, assuming I also do 5 lap stints.
- With 6 lap stints, I could probably even go up to 7 seconds slower, but the fact that the pitstops will take longer, because you need to take on more fuel, will diminish the effect.
- With 7 lap stints, I could go 7-8 seconds slower.
To find a car that will do 7 laps (because there is none that I know of in stock condition), I thought to maybe restrict one of the LMPs down to the desired laptime, because then it should also be easier on the tires. Something to be tested out thoroughly...
Next plan will be the Nürburgring 24 hours, of course, but now I'm seriously tempted to try Le Mans again in a slower car.
it will be a tough race
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Yes I seem to remember reading that the BMW F1 car had gone round in 8 minutes or so. I remember being surprised at how slow this was. However it is very poorly suited to that track. With nothing faster than GT3 spec cars nowadays, Stefan Bellof's 6:11 looks permanently safe as the record. Unless Dan Gurney decides to bring out a Toyota Eagle MkIII and gets some driver to do it in about 5:45
Not if you consider virtual lap times; the difference, as normal, is fear. In a virtual game, I know that it's OKAY to try to go through Füchsröhre (Foxhole Corner) flat-out, in most cars, because hitting the wall is just a small problem. In real life, you can only take it at like 140 mp/h, because no one likes going around a blind corner at 180 mp/h, and then finding a car parked around, on the other side of the bend, at a speed of 0 mp/h.
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