SHOE's COMPLETE GUIDE TO LE MANS 24h RACING

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Currently first, 16 laps ahead, on hour 20 at Le Mans. 342 laps completed, and a slightly sore finger.

Really impressed by the prowess of the Audi R8 2001. I mean I'm only 4 hours from finishing, but the car still has enough power in the engine to help post my fastest time of 3:20:170, on a RM/RH combo tire set. In fact, my car is suspiciously getting faster as the Sun get higher in the sky...Is track temperature simulated?

Or it could be just placebo affect...

On another note, being up by 16 laps is overkill, but I'll pretend my Audi's reliability built that lead, as I've noticed that several of the top 4 cars in this race sometimes dawdle around the track randomly.

Edit: If anybody is interested, HP: 750, downforce set to max, Suspension dropped -10 front and rear, limited slip: ini 10 Accel 30 Decel 20, transmission set to 249 MPH.

Gives 11 laps on RM/RH combo. Slight oversteer towards end of tire life, but it's really manageable.
 
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I have always found that fastest times are at night. This is because it is colder. Cold=more grip on track. Also, colder air is denser, so more is being put into the engine, giving more power and speed.
 
Are you faster at night or during the day in GT5?

At night my fastest was around 3:23:00, while during the day it fell to 3:20, and in fact I'm confident I might pull a 3:19 if I can get either the GT-One or the Pesky Hybride in a draft.

It seems I am the opposite of that night grip thing.:scared:
 
Thank you for the guide, Shoe. A lot of useful information in your threas. I have read it all yesterday and started the 24 Hours of Le Mana today. Don't want to create a new thread so I'll just drop my thoughts here. I chose Peugeot 908 HDi Team Oreca Matmut '10 with stage 1 turbo and oil change. Car has around 770hp IIRC. Started the race in the rain, and in 2 hours I managed to pull a 3 lap lead. First two hours weren't very interesting, simply because I just kept overtaking everyone like I was driving an X2010/11. After a break I went back to GT5. From hour 2 it started drying up and around 3 hours 30 minutes into the race it was dry. Also, the sunset was beautiful. The race started to get interesting. I picked up a steady pace and started doing laps around 3:23-3:26. I am running 8 lap stints. On the last lap of the stint you can feel the loss of traction caused by weary tires. But I use TCS, I have it on 2, simply because I have very little experience on driving during rain. Anyway, I played for 3 more hours and now I am on hour 5. It's getting dark. The moment when my night lights turned on was fantastic, I could really feel the spirit of endurance racing, haha :D. My best lap was 3:22.075 so far, and my lead currently is 5 laps, with a total of 80 laps completed. The night is kicking in and I expect my laps to be a little bit slower. But hopefully I won't spin out or crash into a wall - only touched the wall once. So far it has been a pretty clean race.
Oh, and I don't know about that rain glitch, but when I suspended the race, and came back to it, the rain and the surface were exactly the same as they were before suspending the race.
Hopefully I'll finish the race within a week and a half. Thank you for all the information, it has really helped me! :)
 
That is a quick pace mate. Really good job. How about you try to run 400 laps? That should be possible now with the updated tire wear and your fast pace. Good luck 👍 stay strong. PS, I usually find that the fastest times are at night.
 
That is a quick pace mate. Really good job. How about you try to run 400 laps? That should be possible now with the updated tire wear and your fast pace. Good luck 👍 stay strong. PS, I usually find that the fastest times are at night.

Thank you :). I am not sure if I will hit 400 laps - I do around 16 laps an hour, which sum up to a total of 384 laps per 24 hours. I'm not trying to push it but I'm trying to perfect my driving line with each lap - the entrances, maintaining the speed in longer turns, trying to squeeze out more of each corner, but I don't push it to the limits, I am trying to drive safely, and I haven't crashed or spun out in 3 hours :D. Best times at night - that might be true, but I don't have lots of experience of driving in the dark - hopefully I'll get used to it fast and make some quick laps :D. Can't wait for tomorrow!
Oh and I noticed that when I resumed the race, the music was GT5 soundtrack. I have set the race music to play from my PS3 music folder. I don't know if this should be happening :/.
 
Thanks! :D
It is strange how the game played my soundtrack on the 3rd save load, but failed to do it on 4th. So far 10 hours into the race. It is still night, and no rain. I have beaten my previous PB and my current PB on lap 111 is 3:20.154 at night. During the race i recognised where my driving line, braking points and speed can be improved. Average lap times have also improved - 2:21 to 2:24. Racing at night is not so interesting, I found it a little boring. In hour ~7 fireworks started shooting in the sky, but they were rather annoying since all the time the're exactly the same and show up on the same spot in the sky. The most annoying thing is Dodge Vipers. There are only 2 of them, but it feels like there are like 5 or 6. Just when you see a red spot far away, you think 'please, not Viper'. When you get close... It's a Viper! Other kind of annoying thing is AI cara changing their driving line when you are overtaking them. I've crashed into them and touched the wall like 3 times during last 3 hours. And all on the straight after the Mulsanne corner! They drive in the middle of the road when you approach them. And it looks like you are going to do a clean overtake, when they move a little more to the side where your car is and bam!... Anyway i haven't seen the R10 like for 1,5 hours and I kind of miss it in the track. Hopefully I'll get to overtake him tomorrow during my first marathon :D. Can't wait for the sunrise as well!

15 hours into the race... Hours 10-12 were kind of hard, since I did them as soon as I woke up. After a big break I did another three hours. Around 12 hours 40 minutes the sun started rising, and when the 13th hour came, you didn't need night lights to see the road. 13 hours 8 minutes into the race and headlights were automatically turned off. It's a pity that we can't turn the headlights on and off whenever we want to. Around 13 hours and 24 minutes into the race, I passed Audi R10 TDI - a car which I haven't seen since hour 8. It was quite a joy overtaking that car. The sun was rising, everything was getting brighter. But I didn't enjoy the morning as much as I enjoyed the sunset. Anyway, now, 15 hours into the race, the weather is very smooth, only few clouds in the sky, sun is shining brigtly, and I'm on 242nd lap (IIRC) now. If the weather will be like this till the end of the race, I will be able to break the 400 lap mark. The Pescarolo Hybrid is 13 laps behind me, and I have broken my PB - I managed to do a pre 3:20.xxx lap. My PB is now 3:19.842. Looking forward to race some more. Hopefully I'll have this race finished within two days. :D

17 hours and 13 minutes into the race. From hour 15 to 16:30 there were few to zero clouds in the sky, and road was "painted" with shadows of trees. Then suddenly I've noticed a huge cloud in the sky. Shadows dissapeared. I was keeping an eye on that cloud all the time and it didn't grow at all. But when I got to see the same spot at the sky during the next lap, the cloud has expanded. Which really got me thinking, how do the clouds actually appear and disappear? When our cars aren't facing them and we can't really see them? :/ anyway all the way till game pause clouds didn't grow and shadows started reappearing on the road. I hope there won't be rain. Because if there is, I don't have a chance of reaching 400 laps. So far I'm at the 288th, with a 13 lap lead. Oh and I noticed a GLITCH! I did my PB on lap 242 and suspended the race on lap 247/248. When I resumed, the PB lap has changed to lap 246 - the lap before InLap. And the next time I resumed, it changed again. :/ The rain glitch must have been patched. ~8 times I resumed the race and it always was with the same conditions I left it.

19 hours 30 minutes into the race. Sky has cleared up and now there are almost no clouds. Sun is shining bright, it's a beautiful day. I have completed 328 laps so far, with a lead of 16 laps. It is kind of getting boring to race without anything happening. Only 4,5 hours left, I can't wait to finish this race. :D Hit my car's top speed - 395 km/h. That's about it for now.

22 hours! Now it's nothing but smooth sailing to the finish. I set a new PB - 3:19.483 :). Weather is staying very nice, but sky is again partly grey. Anyway, I don't think that there's going to be rain. I can't believe that I am only 2 hours away. Only 4 pit stops! Dayum. 18 lap lead, 368 laps. I'll hit 400 lap mark if the rain doesn't start. Going to finish this off tomorrow morning. And then - hello Level 40 A-Spec and a new trophy :).

As I was racing on hour 22, just 3 minutes after hours start the oil lamp turned on. And I wondered when this will happen. Oh well, still going. Just cruising my last laps when on hour 22 minute 35 something I was afraid of happened - the rain. At first I thought that it was just something wrong in my eyes, then I switched to cockpit view and recognized that this is the real deal, and that resulted in me pushing hard to get 400 laps. I was at ~380 laps. As a result of pushing I have beaten my PB, and it was 3:19.094 on lap 387, and that was my final PB. I pushed very hard and did numerous 3:20.xxx-3:21.xxx laps, when I started to feel the loss of grip. Anyway, I calculated that I don't need to push as much in order to get 400 laps. Aaaaaand... 400 lap! On hour 23 minute 48. Now I was fully relaxed as I achieved my goal, and my lead was 20 laps. My last lap, 403rd, was a victory lap. I decided to go really slow, and enjoy the last minutes of this 24 hour race. I crossed the finish line 2 minutes after the 24 hour period. Finish... 403 laps! It was a good journey. I definitely don't regret having spent so much time on this race, it was worth it. Now it really feels that I have accomplished something real in GT5.

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I guess I'll have a break from 24 hours races and have some fun online. I'll attempt tackling 24 Hours of Nurburgring in the near future. :)
 
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Wow, great race mate! Congrats on being able to reach 400 laps (it wasn't possible before the update). And what a bargain to win by! 20 laps is crazy large. I hope to see results for your 24h Nurburgring as well sometime soon. 👍
 
Do you really set faster times at night? That seems strange, I didn't think gt5 would model air temp and density, and I know the colder the track is the worse the grip, this is true in real racing at least, dunno why pd would make it opposite in gt :\

Edit: was a good read though, you seem to have put a lot of time and effort in to help everyone who are struggling, good job
 
Do you really set faster times at night? That seems strange, I didn't think gt5 would model air temp and density, and I know the colder the track is the worse the grip, this is true in real racing at least, dunno why pd would make it opposite in gt :\

See above---my real-life experience (in a much less powerful car) was fastest times around dawn. The track may not be quite as grippy, but cold air and other atmospheric conditions can lead to more power.
 
Wow, great race mate! Congrats on being able to reach 400 laps (it wasn't possible before the update). And what a bargain to win by! 20 laps is crazy large. I hope to see results for your 24h Nurburgring as well sometime soon. 👍

Thank you! The lead is way too huge, there was no challenge except the 24 hour period itself. Oh well, lesson learnt, Peugeot should at least be without turbo if not detuned. :)
Hopefully I'll get the DLC soon and start 24 hours of Nurburgring :D. Have to study till the end of the month hard, semester's end. But after that I definitely will do it.
 
Yeah I understand how a car works dude, but I seriously doubt gran turismo simulates air temp and density. So I figured in the game it wouldn't matter about the time of day, only the track temp, which at night would be lower. There is no perfect time of day in the real world for lap times because there are too many variables, so it depends on ambient temp, track temp, humidity etc. Depending on the location of the track and time of year, the perfect condition on any given day could be any time, it would only depend on the variables that affect the car. Mostly this will be late afternoon, providing the track temp hasn't dropped too much, see what I'm saying? Air temp and density affects the engine performance, air density affects aerodynamic performance, and track temp affects tyre performance. I just didn't think any gt game woud simulate these things except maybe track temp. But even that probably isnt, since there isn't a lot that has been simulated in gt, eg. Tyre pressures or brake temps, that's all I was saying, I'm a racing nut irl, I understand how it all works in the real world. I only asked cause if he's right and the cars in gt are faster at night, I would be interested to know why that is, ya know? Unless it was hot as mid summer during the day and then really cold suddenly at night while the track is still a good temp, it wouldn't happen.
 
@Ghostboy, the rain glitch might have been patched (I haven't tried). Also, with your 'fast time' glitch, it always does that. It only saves your data for your fast time, and has that as the lap before you pit. I noticed that as well when I was tackling Nurburgring 24h in my XJ13 at 648pp :crazy:
 
Maybe I suck, but I can't get below at 3:41 in practice mode with the Toyota GT-one, its a good setup too, car doesn't suffer from oversteer and its very stable it's actually setup for under steer, this is with RH/RH tires. Is something different in the race that allows you to go faster?
 
Maybe I suck, but I can't get below at 3:41 in practice mode with the Toyota GT-one, its a good setup too, car doesn't suffer from oversteer and its very stable it's actually setup for under steer, this is with RH/RH tires. Is something different in the race that allows you to go faster?

Just work on pushing really late into the braking zones. Also, you can lose a lot of time in the Porsche Curves and White House part of the track, make sure to use as little brake as possible through there. Also, practice practice practice
 
Try to maintain at least 125 mph with full downforce through those Esses, and I think you can do at least 110 mph with minimum downforce. I know hard tires are a bit loose right after a pit, but after a lap or two, you can do up to 135, but you'll have to brake just at the right moment to induce a slight oversteer to help pull the car left to finish off the Porsche curves.

The trick to this section is getting it right from the get go.

Also, for the GT-One, you may want to try a neutral suspension settings, with a slight tendency to oversteer, but go with what works for you.👍
 
I managed to get 3:36, gotta see where I can pick up time.. I changed the settings to give a little oversteer, also changed setup to RM/RH.
 
@ghostboy, good job on the 24h win!... I also have the peugeot, and around 5-7 laps in, I have to pit from tire wear, where the hybride AI pits on laps 10-12.... Do you have any suggestions on how to take the turns? I'm taking them very light and go wide for the turn, but the tires still seem to go pretty quick...... Also, i wonder if comfort tires are the best for their durability....
 
@ghostboy, good job on the 24h win!... I also have the peugeot, and around 5-7 laps in, I have to pit from tire wear, where the hybride AI pits on laps 10-12.... Do you have any suggestions on how to take the turns? I'm taking them very light and go wide for the turn, but the tires still seem to go pretty quick...... Also, i wonder if comfort tires are the best for their durability....

You always need racing tires. You should get 10 easily on HARDS. Try turning on traction control to limit tire spin.
 
Yeah only use comforts if you are a madman or a masochist.

The Pug though will be bogged down by the TC if it rains, so try to keep it around 2-3 at least.
 
And anything over 3 on TCS will just slow you down. If you have a high downforce setup, keep it to 1. If you have a low downforce setup, put it higher.
 
Hey Shoe what downforce do you typically run? I do max because it makes cornering much easier to stomach over 24 hours. At minimum I finish the straights at around 235 mph with 750HP, but on shot tires makes the Porsche Curves too slippery.

Right now I'm in hour 8, Bentley Speed 8, lowered to -27 on both front and rear, slightly harder spring set up, TC set to 2. The rain is still chugging along since hour 5, and really hoping it will end by the time dawn shows up.

That said I'm still averaging in the 3:35-3:40 region and lapping the AI like crazy.
 
I have racing mediums on..... oh crap I forgot to change traction control and skip recovery force :-(

I'd advise having Skid Recovery Force on. It helps make the cars much easier to drives. Especially the LMPs.

And @sumbrownkid, it is different with every car and setup, but I usually have max front and I have the rear about 10 below the max. This allows faster straight speed by about 5mph and the car rotates easier in the eases and porsche sections. Also, on ride height, lower in the rear is good, but try raising the front back to 0 or -10. It allows more straight speed without too much effect on cornering
 
Ok, I'm starting to do very well, beacause I pit at half gas tank, where as the hybride (my top enemy in this race) waits until its on fumes to pit, whick takes him longer to pit... making me get further and further from him.... about to lap him somewhere in the high 40s on laps, and might lap him in 10-15 laps, if that... not sure though cause I'm not on right now.
 
Ok, I'm starting to do very well, beacause I pit at half gas tank, where as the hybride (my top enemy in this race) waits until its on fumes to pit, whick takes him longer to pit... making me get further and further from him.... about to lap him somewhere in the high 40s on laps, and might lap him in 10-15 laps, if that... not sure though cause I'm not on right now.

I just finished the 24 Hours @ Le Mans this past tuesday night. The Hybrid I believe pits every 10 laps and runs around 3:34 to 3:39 seconds a lap range based on the gaps I would open up each lap.

You are correct in regards with pitting a few laps before 2nd place. A pit stop of 83 liters took about 1:03 to 1:05 down time...that is 10 laps worth (exit pits + entry to pits included) and not going WOT in the first few gears on all exits. Delta time in the pits is about 1:13 to 1:15 seconds.
 
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