Shootings and explosions in Paris.

[Spurgy 777]

How do you reason with ISIS?

Send them a polite letter and ask them to stop.

 

[NotThePrez]

Its amazing how the west is continuing to play into the hands of terrorist with these knee-jerk reactions, in this case responding with bombs rather than reason. It makes you wonder why despite being outgunned militarily, groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are winning the ideological war. That said, with every bomb dropped the terrorist can make the argument that indeed there is a war on Islam thus making it easy for them to radicalize individuals.

That's kinda hard to do when your opponents have proven on multiple occasions that they are incapable of listening to reason.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Its amazing how the west is continuing to play into the hands of terrorist with these knee-jerk reactions, in this case responding with bombs rather than reason.

They seem like reasoned bombings to me - the thinking is to destroy the fundamentalists who are wreaking havoc and death on the rest of the world (including millions of Muslims).

It makes you wonder why despite being outgunned militarily, groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are winning...

The post office near me was robbed at gunpoint a few months ago despite Britain having nuclear weapons. I guess it comes down to where the weapons actually are and the physical threat that can be brought to bear in any given location or situation.

groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are winning the ideological war.

Source required - I think you're absolutely wrong. The number of extra-Islaamic recruits is vanishingly small while the majority (the great majority) of Muslims condemn such groups as heartily as Al Qaueuduauda and ISIS condemn one another.

That said, with every bomb dropped the terrorist can make the argument that indeed there is a war on Islam thus making it easy for them to radicalize individuals.

Yes, you have to kill all the ants before one gets up your trousers. The quicker the fundamentalist extremists are eliminated the fewer the radicalisations of "new blood".

Send them a polite letter and ask them to stop.

Quite

Dear (Insert Terror Group/Mad Dictator Name Here),

Awfully sorry about this, we're sure you're very busy in your desert fortress/slide-open-volcano but this sort of thing simply isn't on and it's playing havoc with our bunions.

We'd love to have you chaps over for tea but first we really must ask if you'd think about stopping doing all the (insert global atrocity here).

Splendid stuff, thanks again. Chin chin,

(Insert Signature of Politician Here)

I think that covers everything.

 

[Dennisch]

Can we have a round of applause for Turkey and their fans, and their minute of 'silence'?

 

[A2K78]

How do you reason with ISIS?

Like said earlier in this thread how about the west reevaluate its dumb foreign policy in way of blindly supporting israel, continue support for autocrats and meddling in the affairs of the the middle east when you consider that these are the factors which are driving both ISIS and Al Qeada.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Like said earlier in this thread how about the west reevaluate its dumb foreign policy in way of blindly supporting israel, continue support for autocrats and meddling in the affairs of the the middle east when you consider that these are the factors which are driving both ISIS and Al Qeada.

You have a very shallow view of the drivers, I think. You should also know that the West isn't a single country and there is no single shared "foreign policy". The knee-jerk you were speaking of... I think it might be yours

 

[wareric11]

How do you reason with ISIS?

The whole thing is just a lose lose. If France and the "West" don't strike back then they lose the support of their own people but when they do strike back the extremist groups can use that as their own propaganda.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Like said earlier in this thread how about the west reevaluate its dumb foreign policy in way of blindly supporting israel, continue support for autocrats and meddling in the affairs of the the middle east when you consider that these are the factors which are driving both ISIS and Al Qeada.

If ISIS were solely focused on destroying America, or certain European countries that may be the case, but they are not. They want to kill those that will not follow their ideal.

 

[Dennisch]

French and Belgian media report that the mastermind behind these and other attacks has been killed, yet the French prosecutor denies the claim.

 

[TenEightyOne]

French and Belgian media report that the mastermind behind these and other attacks has been killed, yet the French prosecutor denies the claim.

It seems (according to the BBC) that there are still some human remains to identify in the debris, the speculation is that this is the 'mastermind' but, sensibly, the prosecutor is waiting for confirmation. As we've seen in the last few days it doesn't take any confirmation for the media to run the story anyway

 

[ECGadget]

If ISIS were solely focused on destroying America, or certain European countries that may be the case, but they are not. They want to kill those that will not follow their ideal.

Very true. They hate all of us, regardless of our country, culture, religion or knowledge. But, they also want us to hate each other because if we stick together then they will lose. Would be really nice if everyone could put aside their differences for a while and focus on defeating the ones who want to use those differences for their own sick agendas.

 

[Dennisch]

It seems (according to the BBC) that there are still some human remains to identify in the debris, the speculation is that this is the 'mastermind' but, sensibly, the prosecutor is waiting for confirmation. As we've seen in the last few days it doesn't take any confirmation for the media to run the story anyway

I wonder how much they need to scrape of the ceiling.

 

[Liquid]

Can we have a round of applause for Turkey and their fans, and their minute of 'silence'?

Was there any stated reason for this?

Turkey is an interesting place.

 

[Dennisch]

Was there any stated reason for this?

Turkey is an interesting place.

I'll jump on the sentiment bandwagon!

It's full of Muslims!

 

[ECGadget]

I'll jump on the sentiment bandwagon!

It's full of Muslims!

Yeah... they really shouldn't have done that. I mean, yes Muslims say "God is great". But if a minute silence is what is meant to be done, a minutes silence should be observed, no substitutions accepted. Poor show.

 

[Liquid]

I'll jump on the sentiment bandwagon!

It's full of Muslims!

You know, I don't even find the principle of chanting "God is great" that wrong. Much like how some minute's silences in the UK are now replaced by applause, I could see that as a cultural thing or these people confirming that their belief in god is of a good nature and that they don't stand for these attacks.

But there is booing. Audible booing, whistling and heckling. That is what I do not understand. Why, exactly?

 

[Dennisch]

But there is booing. Audible booing, whistling and heckling. That is what I do not understand. Why, exactly?

IS has more supporters than we think?

 

[Dotini]

IS has more supporters than we think?

At the end of the day, Turks support Sunnis over lesser varieties of Muslims, not to mention Kurds and Christians. We think Turkey gives ISIS arms, money, and the room to maneuver, while it receives oil, and victory over the infidel from ISIS. Turkey is waging a proxy war against Assad, the Alawite (Shia).

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Turkey has always walked a fine line of being friend and foe. Turkey used to be the bastion of liberal ideas in the Muslim world but recently they have been gaining on the Authoritarian side and it is beginning to show. However, just because some soccer fans didn't respect a moment of silence for the French don't mean they are bad people. The bombings in Beirut, Libya, zi raw have been glossed over for coverage of the French attacks so they have a right to be angry about that. Just look at all the Americans saying forget the French.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Turkey has always walked a fine line of being friend and foe. Turkey used to be the bastion of liberal ideas in the Muslim world but recently they have been gaining on the Authoritarian side and it is beginning to show. However, just because some soccer fans didn't respect a moment of silence for the French don't mean they are bad people. The bombings in Beirut, Libya, zi raw have been glossed over for coverage of the French attacks so they have a right to be angry about that. Just look at all the Americans saying forget the French.

Whether they have a right to be angry about who gets tv coverage is debatable. What's not debatable is the poor taste exhibited in disrespecting the moment of silence on behalf of the victims or terrorism.

 

[Dennisch]

Sweden has just gone to Defcon 1 because an attack is imminent. Reports came out that a Syrian trained Iraqi entered to country this week causing all alarms bells to start ringing.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Sweden has just gone to Defcon 1 because an attack is imminent. Reports came out that a Syrian trained Iraqi entered to country this week causing all alarms bells to start ringing.

Hoping that's a false alarm.

http://news.sky.com/story/1590163/jewish-teacher-stabbed-by-is-supporters

A Jewish teacher has been stabbed in Marseille by three people claiming to be Islamic State supporters, say prosecutors. Three people on two scooters approached the teacher in the street before showing him a picture of Mohamed Merah, who killed seven people in a series of attacks in southern France in 2012, on a phone. "The three people insulted, threatened and then stabbed their victim in the arm and leg. They were interrupted by the arrival of a car and fled," prosecutor Brice Robin said.

 

[A2K78]

Again, watch the first 15 mintues:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...losions-in-paris.338576/page-13#post-11089434

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Whether they have a right to be angry about who gets tv coverage is debatable. What's not debatable is the poor taste exhibited in disrespecting the moment of silence on behalf of the victims or terrorism.

You call it poor taste they didn't be silent for a few seconds while they find it in poor taste that Muslims are victimized by the same group on even larger scales but no one cares. It's not hard to put yourself in someone else position I don't see how it seems impossible to you.

 

[ECGadget]

You call it poor taste they didn't be silent for a few seconds while they find it in poor taste that Muslims are victimized by the same group on even larger scales but no one cares. It's not hard to put yourself in someone else position I don't see how it seems impossible to you.

This is very true, however that does not excuse them from not observing the silence as they were requested to do so. It is not very Islamic to boo, or even shout God is great during a time when they were meant to be silent out of respect. And it most certainly is not respectful from the standpoint of a good human, of which for that minute those people were not. If they wish to highlight the victims that are (very wrongfully) forgotten, intruding on the moment of respect is NOT the time or way to do it, in my humble opinion anyway.

 

[Spurgy 777]

You call it poor taste they didn't be silent for a few seconds while they find it in poor taste that Muslims are victimized by the same group on even larger scales but no one cares. It's not hard to put yourself in someone else position I don't see how it seems impossible to you.

Quite hard to put yourself in the shoes of :censored:holes who disrespect moments of silence by booing. And I think it's unfair to claim that no one cares at all about the other terrorist attacks that happen around the world, it's just a case that people tend to care more the closer to home it is, which is entirely understandable, and certainly isn't a behaviour that warrants disrespecting the victims in some childish retaliation.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You call it poor taste they didn't be silent for a few seconds while they find it in poor taste that Muslims are victimized by the same group on even larger scales but no one cares. It's not hard to put yourself in someone else position I don't see how it seems impossible to you.

What they ^^^ said. There's a time and place for everything. Interrupting a sacred and solemn moment such as that is poor taste and deliberately disrespectful. I don't need to put myself in anyone's shoes to know this. It's common courtesy.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

You guys have really thin skin. They are dead, they don't need respect. Their families want respect but not everyone has to agree with you or them. It's called a different point of view, not everyone is beholden to your views.

 

[Northstar]

It's called a different point of view, not everyone is beholden to your views.

Of course, but there is no reason to be a complete 🤬 while expressing that different view.

 

[Akira AC]

The Turks have had at least 5 bombings in the last 6 months, and no a single person in France or the west cared (I had to look up these bombings, looking for a reason to justify such disingenuity).

Turks doesn't have to pay respects for victims when their own are ignored, people there would find it hypocritical, is just a part of the world we are living in.



Personally I don't care about the French victims, granted they are not guilty - nor are they non relevant, but it really starts to become small when you consider Boko Haram, Somalia and the other middle eastern territories conflicts (the sex trade, slavery, torture and repression which is far worse, on a greater scale). France it's a byproduct of that, and it doesn't surprise me the slightest that this would have happened.

Taking these things into consideration onto the next place, because is going to inevitably happen again (I reckon within the next 4 to 6 months timeframe), imagine something like this happening in Houston, Dallas, San Francisco, Baltimore or Washington. Please note that I'm not wishing this to happen, nor will I say that it will have certain amount of victims that could be considered "Important", my point is that certain countries will not care ... because they will not. For example China will not care, Iran will not care (heck they might actually celebrate it), Central and South America will not care for that either, so the hypocrisy is everywhere, regardless of sides.

And why do I say that they will bomb again, imagine "Ahmed", imagine that Ahmed's brother is killed in an airstrike, Ahmed will be traumatized by this (just as any other human being when their family is killed), Ahmed will not find mechanisms to cope with such a thing because other members of the family have been killed in similar events (and this is common in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine). Imagine "Ahmed", being devastated by the lost of his only/closest relative, Ahmed will take retribution because is his life, no way to cope with any family because there is none, no way to find a life in another country to start over (because the borders are closed to him), the only way for him is religion, which will help him cope, religion will tell him that his lost are retributed to infidels (and thus they should be punished), he will become militant because there is no way he can sustain itself, and thus he will become a Jihadist, from there (and with no family) he will give himself for the cause, then he will get to the US via Mexico or Canada, then he'll be in times square, imagine him in the middle of a crowd in Houston, at the NGR Stadium.

Then you will have this whole process starting all over again, the only difference is that is gradually becoming more people attacking secure areas, so ISIS is winning because they operate based on these principles, US government failed on a monumental scale at not recognizing this, hence why this crisis exist in the first place.