Shootings and explosions in Paris.

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McLaren
Because you're in this thread complaining about how no one pays any attention to other attacks, yet you've clearly not given a breath to them until now. You weren't posting anything.
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I barely even post on this site. There isn't a thread for those killings. If there is it isn't as nearly large as this one, it's embedded in the ISIS thread.
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
I barely even post on this site. There isn't a thread for those killings. If there is it isn't as nearly large as this one, it's embedded in the ISIS thread.
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You've been posting here a lot since Sept., so you could have easily created a thread on all those attacks you suddenly feel are being neglected by everybody.

Or you could simply be like the rest of the US and not known a word about them because our media doesn't pay any attention to those attacks.
 
McLaren
You've been posting here a lot since Sept., so you could have easily created a thread on all those attacks you suddenly feel are being neglected by everybody.

Or you could simply be like the rest of the US and not known a word about them because our media doesn't pay any attention to those attacks.
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No one else made the thread. That's proof enough.

jimipitbull
Their god wouldn't like that.
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yes.
 
What does that prove when that's exactly my point. It's hard for other people to know about the shootings because they got no coverage. No one made a thread because there was no story by the mainstream media. Yet the attacks were just as inconsiderate. You pointed me to the Africa thread, and it's more of the same. 1 page. A few posts since the book haram killings. No one cares.
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
What does that prove when that's exactly my point. It's hard for other people to know about the shootings because they got no coverage. No one made a thread because there was no story by the mainstream media. Yet the attacks were just as inconsiderate. You pointed me to the Africa thread, and it's more of the same. 1 page. A few posts since the book haram killings. No one cares.
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How can we be expected to make a thread on attacks we know little or nothing of, meanwhile you're listing them off because they don't get the coverage France does. If it really is that big of an injustice, you could have easily made a thread condemning Western Media & I'm sure plenty of folks would have agreed, myself included. Instead, you bring them up b/c they related to your argument.

With this & the other thread, you go around in a circle & it's putting me to sleep trying to guess whatever argument you'll post next whilst you barely reply to counter-points instead of actually arguing them.
 
France didn't close their borders to Syrian refugees in fact they are taking more.
Shows you the ignorance of the Republican governors closing their borders and refusing refugees.
 
Ugh.

In Islam, "Allahu Akbar" is simply to show some solidarity to other people. Its mostly used for every Muslim people ever.

And yes, sadly it has been also used by terrorists for their battlecry with their army. I believe people here are well known for that chant from the terrorists, which is sad really, it has been used in wrong hands.
 
FrzGT
Ugh.

In Islam, "Allahu Akbar" is simply to show some solidarity to other people. Its mostly used for every Muslim people ever.

And yes, sadly it has been also used by terrorists for their battlecry with their army. I believe people here are well known for that chant from the terrorists, which is sad really, it has been used in wrong hands.
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& when paired with Martyrs never die, homeland will never be divided it shows how they weren't being disrespectful at all. But apparently to some allah Akbar is code for "keep killing the infidels, screw em" especially when the victim of an attack can be a martyr as well.
 
I would like to point out further to the discussion we were having that has come and gone since I went to bed, that Turkey's football team is a member of UEFA, the Union of European Football Associations. For everything we could say about caring about things only when they are close to home or the whole 'us and them' argument, and we could be here for the rest of time on that, for all of that, it was an absolute certainty that all UEFA football teams would be observing a silence before their midweek games.

Turkey, as a member of UEFA, was obliged to observe that and in all fairness the teams, managers and staff did but if the fans have an issue with things like this then perhaps they would be more comfortable in the Asian Football Confederation with possible like-minded fans of other national teams.

One thing which did pass me by though, was that the game was Turkey vs Greece. One of the most intense rivalries of any kind, in any discipline, throughout all of history. Fans of those teams need no excuses to antagonise each other. But has it at all been discounted that the disruption and disrespect was stemming from the nature of the game, rather than the occasion? Even a "martyrs never die" chant could, and I stress could, have been a reference to the countless victims of Greco-Turkish conflicts.

Like I said, Turkey is in UEFA so tough titties about respecting things UEFA, with its French leader and the influence of the French FA, wants you to pay respect to. It was disrespectful no matter which way you look at it, but just throwing out an alternative if it hasn't already been suggested somewhere.
 
An argument can easily be made that chanting God is good or great is not disrespectful but a chant of love and hope that they are in a better place with Allah. It's all subjective depending on the view of what Allah Akbar actually means and who it has meaning too. If it is disrespectful there is an argument there too. They surely aren't burning French flags in the stadium.
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
An argument can easily be made that chanting God is good or great is not disrespectful but a chant of love and hope that they are in a better place with Allah. It's all subjective depending on the view of what Allah Akbar actually means and who it has meaning too. If it is disrespectful there is an argument there too. They surely aren't burning French flags in the stadium.
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If that's all they were doing then you might be able to explain it away. But when they're booing, shouting god is great and martyrs never die in response to a moment of silence for victims of terrorism would strongly suggest those fans thought the terrorists did a good job, and that they're condoning their actions. Which I'm sure you'll agree is far worse than just disrespecting it because you think other victims of terrorism are ignored.
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
An argument can easily be made that chanting God is good or great is not disrespectful but a chant of love and hope that they are in a better place with Allah. It's all subjective depending on the view of what Allah Akbar actually means and who it has meaning too. If it is disrespectful there is an argument there too. They surely aren't burning French flags in the stadium.
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It's pretty dumb pretending to speculate what turkish supporters were meaning when they screamed Allah Akbar IN the minute of silence for French people, when these people has been slaughtered by some psychopaths screaming Allah Akbar.
 
Dennisch
The French prosecutor has declared that the mastermind behind the attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, has been killed during the raid yesterday in Saint Denis.
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AND....

breaking news...

No 7 virgins waithing for him and his foolish crew.
Only a devil with a big big pitchfork ready to sting him for eternity.
 
HKS racer
AND....

breaking news...

No 7 virgins waithing for him and his foolish crew.
Only a devil with a big big pitchfork ready to sting him for eternity.
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Quite difficult when you're splattered all over the apartment.
 
Dennisch
Quite difficult when you're splattered all over the apartment.
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Well I guess devil will fix him in the world of dead just to torture him forever.

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Right, cause there is actually a hell, and a devil. Just like there are 72 virgins. Smh.
@HELLAFLUSH240SX First, you dobrealize that jimipitbull and the pitbull you keep tagging are not the same right?

Now, I'll be honest, I'm jumping into this conversation having only read the OP and the last 3 pages of yammering. That said, I'm pretty sure Beruit and lots of other big attacks that happened all over the world, hit the media. Whether or not you heard the tree fall is another issue entirely. Local coverage is obviously going to be more in depth than coverage half a world away, but to say these events are not in the media is pure BS. You just didn't pay attention. That I believe qualifies as a hypocrisy.

Further, to try and say that chanting Allahu Akbar, and martyrs do not die over a moment of silence for a City that was just attacked by Islamic fundamentals, is somehow not meant to be disrespectful is extremely naive. That or you are the world's most gullible sob out there. Actually, I think you just stepped in on the wrong side of the debate and either are to proud, or enjoying the conflict. But that's my opinion.
Someone else i find to be spot on, is Brigitte Gabriel. Whether you like her or not, her point here was spot on then, and is spot on now.

And, as someone who was bullied a lot as a kid. It's got to be said, ignoring the bully, doesn't make them go away, it just makes them madder, and cone up with worse ways to mess with you. Ignoring IS, ignoring the link between them and Islam, ignoring the fact that pew poles (goto the bottom, have a look at the full report pdf) have shown that even "moderate" Muslims in "moderate" Muslim countries support all sorts of reprehensible acts and notions (honestly, so do a lot of America's religious conservatives, but that is a different debate), ignoring these, saying they don't exist, saying that theses guys don't represent a very quantifiable side of Islam is not going to solve a thing. Refugee's of a fighting age need to return to their countries and take them back. Say what you will about the US in Iraq causing IS. We may have exacerbated things some, but the issues were there long before the US started meddling.

All of that said. My condolences to Paris, Beirut, and any and all lands and people effected by these fundamentalists.
 
Rallywagon
Right, cause there is actually a hell, and a devil. Just like there are 72 virgins. Smh.
@HELLAFLUSH240SX First, you dobrealize that jimipitbull and the pitbull you keep tagging are not the same right?

Now, I'll be honest, I'm jumping into this conversation having only read the OP and the last 3 pages of yammering. That said, I'm pretty sure Beruit and lots of other big attacks that happened all over the world, hit the media. Whether or not you heard the tree fall is another issue entirely. Local coverage is obviously going to be more in depth than coverage half a world away, but to say these events are not in the media is pure BS. You just didn't pay attention. That I believe qualifies as a hypocrisy.

Further, to try and say that chanting Allahu Akbar, and martyrs do not die over a moment of silence for a City that was just attacked by Islamic fundamentals, is somehow not meant to be disrespectful is extremely naive. That or you are the world's most gullible sob out there. Actually, I think you just stepped in on the wrong side of the debate and either are to proud, or enjoying the conflict. But that's my opinion.
Someone else i find to be spot on, is Brigitte Gabriel. Whether you like her or not, her point here was spot on then, and is spot on now.

And, as someone who was bullied a lot as a kid. It's got to be said, ignoring the bully, doesn't make them go away, it just makes them madder, and cone up with worse ways to mess with you. Ignoring IS, ignoring the link between them and Islam, ignoring the fact that pew poles (goto the bottom, have a look at the full report pdf) have shown that even "moderate" Muslims in "moderate" Muslim countries support all sorts of reprehensible acts and notions (honestly, so do a lot of America's religious conservatives, but that is a different debate), ignoring these, saying they don't exist, saying that theses guys don't represent a very quantifiable side of Islam is not going to solve a thing. Refugee's of a fighting age need to return to their countries and take them back. Say what you will about the US in Iraq causing IS. We may have exacerbated things some, but the issues were there long before the US started meddling.

All of that said. My condolences to Paris, Beirut, and any and all lands and people effected by these fundamentalists.
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How wouldn't it solve a thing? It's simply untrue that moderate Muslims support these atrocious acts. Western Muslims such as those in the U.S would be hard pressed to condemn these actions as so ones in the UK, and many European countries. If you are r ferrying to moderates in countries such as Afganastan, Iraq, Syria, etc than you may have an argument there but the Muslims that's live along side me in this great city of Chicago simply do not think the way you want them to, or expect them to. Humans have a great power in that words can do a ton of damage or offer uplifting support. To say that even the moderates align themselves with the right wing radicals is the same thing to me as saying moderate Christians agree with the Westboro Baptist church or the KKK as both of those groups take from the same bible as other Christians. Now in regards to your comment about military aged men fighting for their country, you do realize not every military aged man wants to be in a war? How can they fight for their country when they are being bombed by all sides but not only that do you not forget what sparked this in the first place? Assad being a brutal dictator and shutting down protests against him with violence? You are literally telling people to either fight for the devil, or fight for the right hand man of the devil. Syrians should not be turned away at the border because they might be terrorists. You find out what they are via the intense vetting process and you give them a hand to life them up from the struggles they are facing. Just look at the Statue of Liberty,
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
No, I was pretty specific in my statement, ""moderate" Muslims in "moderate" Muslim countries" I mean, that is clear right? If you think moderate christians don't hold the same views as the KKK and WBC you've clearly not been below the Mason/Dixon line and don't pay attention to the news. I'd would fathom the stats there would similar to Islam in that regard. There are still plenty of ignorant, hateful, bigoted people in this country touting the bible as their validation. But again, that is a different topic. As far as people of fighting age getting involved. Hell man, I am just one guy, I can't solve all the worlds problems, and I do not know the intricacies of the faction dynamic in Syria. I do know this, despite jokes about moving to Canada if Trump becomes president, I would not flee from my country in the face of any enemy, and would join any faction I could to stand against that enemy.
Edit: Right, and the first part, about not ignoring those facts, how would it help solve the issue? Or better I guess to say, how would it harm us by ignoring those facts? Because, by ignoring the actual root cause of religious fundamentalism you ignore a large reason people become fundamental. Without religious text and Imam's and radicals pushing a philosophy of paradise for martyrs killing the infidels, non-innocent (do a quick google search on "who is and isn't innocent in Islam") and apostates. If you dont have text telling people to throw gays off a roof, guess what, when was the first time someone did that in America or the UK? These things, they are not a new phenomena brought on by western interference. I wont deny our involvement in recent times, but this has been going on for a thousand years. Just like Christianity, Islam claims to be about peace, neighborly love and all that sentiment, but its history, and even in modern times, its rife with hate and blood. Death and destruction. All in the name of a God that should be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, and seems to delight in his creations killing each other over which version of him is the right one.
 
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It's what our prime minister Valls said today:

Manuel Valls redoute des attentats avec des «armes chimiques ou bactériologiques».

Manuel Valls fears of attacks with "chemical or biological weapons."

Source: Le Parisien
 
For French speakers: https://www.facebook.com/Hebergeurdedaesh/

This guy is the owner of the appartment in Saint Denis, where they located the terrorists. He went on TV during the raid on the appartment and said a friend asked him to let some friends sleep at his place, he claimed that he doesn't even know them etc. but later it turned out that he's been convicted of murder some years ago. Not connected but that makes the statement even funnier, seeing that they had assault rifles and bombs in his appartment.

Now he's a meme.

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This one for example reads: "They told me that they have roquette (salad but it sounds like the word for rocket as well, especially when pronounced by people living in that area) - I offered to make salad sauce"
 
HELLAFLUSH240SX
Christians agree with the Westboro Baptist church or the KKK as both of those groups take from the same bible as other Christians. Now in regards to your comment about military aged men fighting for their country, you do realize not every military aged man wants to be in a war? How can they fight for their country when they are being bombed by all sides but not only that do you not forget what sparked this in the first place?
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
 

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