Should 'god' be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

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Should 'god' be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

  • Yes, indeedy! God made this nation great!

    Votes: 22 37.3%

  • Heck, no! This country was founded on Enlightenment principles.

    Votes: 22 37.3%

  • I forget the words, and who cares anyway?

    Votes: 15 25.4%
  • Total voters
    59
Yes, true socialism has never been done.

But can you understand that high taxes in the form of aiding some people who may or may not be a return on that money is bothersome for some?
 
Originally posted by Talentless
Yes, true socialism has never been done.

But can you understand that high taxes in the form of aiding some people who may or may not be a return on that money is bothersome for some?
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Sure, but don't try and tell me that United States doesn't do just that!!!
 
Why would I? I am just stating something which is considered socialistic by many. I would say that it would be higher under socialism.
 
Originally posted by GCstyle
Isn't this thread kinda going off topic?
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Whenever people talk about religion/politics on forums, the topic is bound to go off topic... it presents new things to debate about. ;)
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler
As neon_duke already knows, I am against the word "God" in the Pledge. I also don't appreciate "In God We Trust" being on money, nor do I think it was right for some political leaders to exclaim "We are one nation because of God..." That is a subjective opinion, thank you very much. :thumbsdow
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In Eddie We Trust is better IMO:cool: Iron Maiden referance:shades:

Eh who cares, I dont.
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler
nor do I think it was right for some political leaders to exclaim "We are one nation because of God..." That is a subjective opinion, thank you very much. :thumbsdow
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What? Religious persecution was one of the main reasons many settlers came to the New World. :odd:

On a side note, I suppose it is just a coincidence that the only country founded in the Christian faith was also the most prosperous.
 
yes....

*grabs bags and gets the hell out of here before he gets asked to explan himself*

BTW. can we use Hell on this board because its in the bible....

ok bye :D
 
Originally posted by Jordan
What? Religious persecution was one of the main reasons many settlers came to the New World. :odd:
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Well, yeah... they were looking for religious freedom, right? Well, the gov't is somewhat infringing on that by having God in its own Pledge, on its own money, etc.... :reallyodd:

On a side note, I suppose it is just a coincidence that the only country founded in the Christian faith was also the most prosperous.
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Yes, that is just a coincidence. :P We also happen to be the least-educated first-world country...

BTW, you wouldn't be suggesting that if there were more atheists (like myself), that this country wouldn't be very powerful, would you? (Sorry in advance if I'm inferring too much)
 
Somewhere on this globe, every ten seconds, there is a woman giving birth to a child. She must be found and stopped. -Sam Levenson
hahahahahahaha nice youth :D


oh... umm uhhh YES *runs off quickly*
 
Originally posted by youth_cycler

Well, yeah... they were looking for religious freedom, right? Well, the gov't is somewhat infringing on that by having God in its own Pledge, on its own money, etc.... :reallyodd:
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I really don't see how that is persecution.

Yes, that is just a coincidence. We also happen to be the least-educated first-world country...
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And we also happen to prohibit any mention of religion in schools...and teach evolutionism (oh, don't get me started)...

BTW, you wouldn't be suggesting that if there were more atheists (like myself), that this country wouldn't be very powerful, would you? (Sorry in advance if I'm inferring too much)
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No. I just believe that as we (as a society) turn further and further away from God, downgrading our moral standards while attempting to remove any indication of Him, He will lift his hedge of protection that has protected us and given us so much strength through history. There are more than enough examples throughout the Bible of societies that turn their back on God, and they paid the price for it. I believe September 11th was a indication of this beginning to happen to the United States.
 
No. I just believe that as we (as a society) turn further and further away from God, downgrading our moral standards while attempting to remove any indication of Him...
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Um, sorry, but I'm an Objectivist, and I can tell you that my moral standards are higher than most Christians that I know... and I mean that with all seriousness. In fact, if you don't mind, I'll PM something to you that I've talked about to another person involving morals/ethics... ;)
 
Originally posted by Jordan
I just believe that as we (as a society) turn further and further away from God, downgrading our moral standards while attempting to remove any indication of Him, He will lift his hedge of protection that has protected us and given us so much strength through history. There are more than enough examples throughout the Bible of societies that turn their back on God, and they paid the price for it. I believe September 11th was a indication of this beginning to happen to the United States.
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For one thing, this country was NOT founded on the Christian religion.

Secondly, everything you says relies on a definite belief in God (and the Christian god at that). None of those arguments will fly with anyone BUT christians. Now, you might be sure that you are right and that everyone else is making a mistake by not turning to your God, however this country was founded on the principles that no one religion or belief system will be endorsed or supported by the government, so you can't convince politicians to adopt Christianity in hopes of winning favor with the christian god. I also see the belief that we are being "punished" for turning away from God as bull****. We may be JUDGED BY OTHER HUMANS for our lack of morals and values as a society (and the other HUMANS may choose to try and "punish" us), but morals and values are not an inherently Christian belief or unique to the Christian religion. Are you saying that we are being punished for not being homogeneously Christian? :confused:
 
Originally posted by Stealth Viper
Secondly, everything you says relies on a definite belief in God (and the Christian god at that). None of those arguments will fly with anyone BUT christians. Now, you might be sure that you are right and that everyone else is making a mistake by not turning to your God, however this country was founded on the principles that no one religion or belief system will be endorsed or supported by the government, so you can't convince them to adopt Christianity in hopes of winning favor with the christian god. I also see the belief that we are being "punished" for turning away from God as bull****. We may be JUDGED BY OTHER HUMANS for our lack of morals and values as a society (and the other HUMANS may choose to try and "punish" us), but morals and values are not an inherently Christian belief or unique to the Christian religion. Are you saying that we are being punished for not being homogeneously Christian? :confused:
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Thank you for saying exactly what I've been wishing/trying to say, Stealth. :) Good man.

Also, the part that I have highlighted in red would be the main argument as to why God should not be in the Pledge, on our money, etc. etc.
 
Originally posted by Jordan
I really don't see how that is persecution.

And we also happen to prohibit any mention of religion in schools...and teach evolutionism (oh, don't get me started)...
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That's because public money funds our public schools, and it is
I-L-L-E-G-A-L to promote, teach, or endorse a specific religion with PUBLIC money. And no, we don't prohibit any MENTION of religion in schools. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Powerman
GOD should be in it..............no doubt.........anyone who says in should not is a idoit!
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Very eloquent and convincing. I suppose (since I think the constitution should be respected) I am "a idoit". :rolleyes: :shakehead :mad:
 
Um, sorry, but I'm an Objectivist, and I can tell you that my moral standards are higher than most Christians that I know... and I mean that with all seriousness. In fact, if you don't mind, I'll PM something to you that I've talked about to another person involving morals/ethics...
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That's good! I know a lot of people like you who are great, but just don't want to accept Jesus. I also know people who go to church more than I do - and I know they are not a real Christian by the way they act. They just like to say they are whenever the subject comes up.

Oh, by the way, I checked my PM's but I haven't gotten anything yet. :confused:

For one thing, this country was NOT founded on the Christian religion.
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No, it wasn't "founded" in the Christian religion, but you can't say it didn't have a huge influence on our founding fathers.

Are you saying that we are being punished for not being homogeneously Christian?
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No. I'm saying we are being punished for a lack of morals.
 

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