Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.

[Hei]

Most of my cars are well below their max hp. Only a couple are slightly above. 2 are over 1000 by accident. If the ban hammer comes, I'll take the risk. It was my choice. I know the consequences. On the knowing what I have. Ask any of my friends, I will tell you what is in my car.

 

[Teal]

To each his own. But using the overpowered ones, Still cheating.

 

[Tornado]

I think Sony/PD will soon have a master list of what every car in the game should have, and what it can max out produce. And if anything exceeds it online, It will "call home, ban your PSN name/serial#,and hash your save file" I also see PD/Sony locking the backup feature. I see sony/PD doing this to show people who is really in charge. And when we are no longer able to do the clone car trick. Blame the haxors.

The ban hammer is coming, and it's going to be great when it hits.

The banhammer is not going to drop on everyone who has such cars without at the very least a crap load of warnings first, and PD won't disable the save game backup either. Though it's interesting that you brought up the car cloning as an "acceptable" use of the feature.

 

[skyline1683]

To be honest all these hack cars that come in to clean drivers rooms and cause utter chaos and ruin the race for everyone should be banned .
I work on tunning and adjusting my setup on my cars to get the maximum performance out of them and challenge my self as a player of the game where is the satisfaction of hacking a car beyond realistic limits and causing chaos in a room filled of clean drivers trying to enjoy the game
By all means if your going to do it at least keep it off line for personal fun not online AS IT RUINS THE GAME

 

[GreazyTee]

to be honest all these hack cars that come in to clean drivers rooms and cause utter chaos and ruin the race for everyone should be banned .
I work on tunning and adjusting my setup on my cars to get the maximum performance out of them and challenge my self as a player of the game where is the satisfaction of hacking a car beyond realistic limits and causing chaos in a room filled of clean drivers trying to enjoy the game
by all means if your going to do it at least keep it off line for personal fun not online as it ruins the game

+1

 

[Nismo34]

The banhammer is not going to drop on everyone who has such cars without at the very least a crap load of warnings first, and PD won't disable the save game backup either. Though it's interesting that you brought up the car cloning as an "acceptable" use of the feature.

This +10,000. Ironic, isnt it?

 

[SunsetSailor]

Making realistic swaps and tunes... it's the best experience I've had in GT5 in months.

PD should add engine swaps, etc in GT6.

Yeah sure.. let's reward the illegal activities of hackers and cheaters by giving them what they want! That would really work as a deterrant of future hacking!??!

Why should everyone bend over backwards for these cheaters?

EXACTLY! They're the ones in the wrong: Not us!!

 

[Tornado]

Yeah sure.. let's reward the illegal activities of hackers and cheaters by giving them what they want! That would really work as a deterrant of future hacking!??!

"What they want" is more advanced tuning options, and GT6 would hardly be a worse game for allowing such regardless of what the circumstances are that brought it into the spotlight.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Making realistic swaps and tunes... it's the best experience I've had in GT5 in months.

PD should add engine swaps, etc in GT6.

But the absurd stuff, like 20.000hp cars are just plain stupid and idiotic.

Amen. Thanks to hybriding, I've been able to play GT5 again after it spent several months on the shelf collecting dust.

 

[Nismo34]

Yeah sure.. let's reward the illegal activities of hackers and cheaters by giving them what they want! That would really work as a deterrant of future hacking!??!

If it were in the game in the first place, there would be no need to hack it, would there? If it is in GT6, it will be the perfect deterrence to hacking as we wouldnt need to shape the game into something it should be when its already what it should be.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Yeah sure.. let's reward the illegal activities of hackers and cheaters by giving them what they want! That would really work as a deterrant of future hacking!??!

Well.. It clearly would? We wouldn't need to swap motors and chassis etc with coding if it were a feature that came with the game in the first place. I don't see why you think this is such a bad thing? It happens in real life all the time, it's an automotive enthusiast thing to do.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If it were in the game in the first place, there would be no need to hack it, would there? If it is in GT6, it will be the perfect deterrence to hacking as we wouldnt need to shape the game into something it should be when its already what it should be.

Well.. It clearly would? We wouldn't need to swap motors and chassis etc with coding if it were a feature that came with the game in the first place. I don't see why you think this is such a bad thing? It happens in real life all the time, it's an automotive enthusiast thing to do.

This is a fallacy. If you believe that PD allowing engine swapping in GT5 would eliminate hacking I've got some swamp land in Florida I'm selling real cheap. Call my lawyers to set it up, Dewey Cheatem' and Howe. PD will never allow unlimited swapping or modding within the game simply because some manufacturers won't allow it and they have to have some limits to keep the game a "simulator" as opposed to a free for all. If they do allow it, it will be limited to certain makes and models with limits on how far the motors can be modded, what motors go in what chassis etc. If all you can get is 800 HP into your Mini, some clever hacker wil find a way to get 1000 or 1500 and you're right back to where you started. If they don't allow F1 engines to be transplanted into Ferrari road cars, someone will want that and find a way. It's as inevitable as night and day. If it can be hacked, it will be hacked, regardless of whatever else the game offers.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't have swapping and modding, they absolutely should. But if you think that with PD allowing it, it will eliminate hacking you haven't been paying attention to the world the past 10 years. No matter what the game offers, there will be some smart programmer somewhere that hacks it for the challenge or because the game didn't go far enough.

 

[nickg07]

Its just in the nature of the people who do this to always go too far and ruin it as johnnypenso says. Its also of no surprise to me that the obvious hybrids I've seem out there online have also been ones doing the ramming.

It's the 'me me me' mentality if wall hackers in cod too. Its fun for them so screw everyone else right?

They just want or need that advantage to be better to stand a chance of beating others. Sad really.

 

[Wankelhead]

This reminds me of religion based talk. Both sides do their best to defend their opinion, yet there's no agreement. This kind of discussions really lead to nothing. Those who don't like hybrids, won't start liking them because of whatever contrary opinion they read which supports them, and vice versa.

To those who use hybrids, like someone already said, isn't it better just to ask if they can use them when they enter a room? If they don't allow it, then just use a different car or find a diferent room. If the ones with hybrids insist on using them, just boot them. People even quite often kick others who aren't of the same country, so kicking because of hybrids shouldn't be much of a hassle either.

Regarding those with barely noticeable hybrids who get in "undercover", just look at them closer, either they'll have something physical diferent about them, or I'm sure you can notice something diferent about their performance, as some stated they did notice already.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This reminds me of religion based talk. Both sides do their best to defend their opinion, yet there's no agreement. This kind of discussions really lead to nothing. Those who don't like hybrids, won't start liking them because of whatever contrary opinion they read which supports them, and vice versa.

To those who use hybrids, like someone already said, isn't it better just to ask if they can use them when they enter a room? If they don't allow it, then just use a different car or find a diferent room. If the ones with hybrids insist on using them, just boot them. People even quite often kick others who aren't of the same country, so kicking because of hybrids shouldn't be much of a hassle either.

Regarding those with barely noticeable hybrids who get in "undercover", just look at them closer, either they'll have something physical diferent about them, or I'm sure you can notice something diferent about their performance, as some stated they did notice already.

You're completely wrong about the value of this discussion. Discussion's like this, free for all's where passion for the game is unrestricted, is the only way to find out what people are really thinking. From this discussion and others I think I can safely conclude that most people would agree with this statement, regardless of whether they support, abhor or are on the fence about the current state of hybriding.

I am for PD allowing a wide range of mods including engine, drivetrain, chassis swaps under two conditions:

1. It's well accounted for within the PP system so hybrids can race competitively with non-hybrids.

and/or

2. As a host in an open lobby or lounge, I have the option of allowing only "standard tuned cars"only, "hybrids or mods", or both.

Both are reasonable positions and would allow everyone to enjoy the game as they see fit, a better game for everyone, in my opinion.

 

[Teal]

The banhammer is not going to drop on everyone who has such cars without at the very least a crap load of warnings first, and PD won't disable the save game backup either. Though it's interesting that you brought up the car cloning as an "acceptable" use of the feature.

Car cloning is not done using a program on your PC. PD/Sony have the ability to block that any time they want. Plus it's not done with a hack. next time compare apples to apples. Nice try however.

 

[arora]

Car cloning is not done using a program on your PC.

Actually it is, people use a hack to speed up the perma borrow.

 

[montez34]

I just enjoy creating and driving hybrids with my friends, I don't try to race them online.

I am trying for the fastest 1/4 mile time right now

I have an Audi RS6 avant that runs a 3.5 second 1/4 mile but I was beat by a Chevy SSR last night than runs 2.8's.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Its just in the nature of the people who do this to always go too far and ruin it as johnnypenso says. Its also of no surprise to me that the obvious hybrids I've seem out there online have also been ones doing the ramming.

It's the 'me me me' mentality if wall hackers in cod too. Its fun for them so screw everyone else right?

They just want or need that advantage to be better to stand a chance of beating others. Sad really.

Huuuummm don't think the point of "they want and advantage to stand a chance of beating someone". I honestly don't think that at all. If i was making hybrids I wouldn't make them to get a advantage. I honestly would make something realistic and something that I enjoy. If someone doesn't want them in their room I would be honest and get a regular car out. Why be fake on a video game you know?

I understand a lot of people's frustrations with these cars but not all people using them are idiots that can't control their cars or be honest when they are in one. For example the people I hang out with do this for drifting. They don't hit/ram me if they do (which can happen with a regular car or a hybrid) they apologize.

Maybe you are hanging around people who really want to "cheat" you or others out of a win and need to find some other room to go into. Just saying

 

[Teal]

Actually it is, people use a hack to speed up the perma borrow.

Im not talking about the perma borrrow.

Exit game, Save game, Start game,trade item,exit game, restore game, start game.

 

[Tornado]

Car cloning is not done using a program on your PC. PD/Sony have the ability to block that any time they want. Plus it's not done with a hack. next time compare apples to apples. Nice try however.

Abusing the save backup to duplicate the cars in your garage is no less against the GT5 Terms of Use then decrypting a game save and changing the values included. Particularly not when you can also use it to duplicate usage of the DLC paint chips that PD charge for. For you to act as if car cloning is an intended feature of the save backup ability and that the people exploiting the save backup ability to do so have any right to blame the hackers if the ability to do that gets taken away is absurd.

 

[Teal]

Maybe you are hanging around people who really want to "cheat" you or others out of a win and need to find some other room to go into. Just saying

They go into clean rooms, you really can't get away from them in any public room.

 

[starshipenterz]

Yeah sure.. let's reward the illegal activities of hackers and cheaters by giving them what they want! That would really work as a deterrant of future hacking!??!

have you heard about the recent wave of hacking in Forza? oh wait, there is none, probably because Turn10 released a finished game with endless customization options from the start...

 

[arora]

Im not talking about the perma borrrow.

Exit game, Save game, Start game,trade item,exit game, restore game, start game.

That does not change the fact that people clone cars using a pc program, putting blinders on won't cut it.

Plus, what Toranado said.

 

[Teal]

Abusing the save backup to duplicate the cars in your garage is no less against the GT5 Terms of Use then decrypting a game save and changing the values included. Particularly not when you can also use it to duplicate usage of the DLC paint chips that PD charge for. For you to act as if car cloning is an intended feature of the save backup ability and that the people exploiting the save backup ability to do so have any right to blame the hackers if the ability to do that gets taken away is absurd.

Saving your backup is an essential step to hacking your car, remove that feature and there won't be any new hacked cars. Easy thing for sony/pd to do. Sony/PD are aware of the backup work around. That might be why there is a 1 mil cr. trade limit. There is a major difference between the two. Trade restores never cheated anyone out of a fair win.

That does not change the fact that people clone cars using a pc program, putting blinders on won't cut it.

Plus, what Toranado said.

You can't hack a car using only the back up/restore work around.

Apples to Apples....

Yeah people use a hack tool to steal a shared car, not clone a car they already own.

 

[arora]

Do you remember when the game first came out? We had no backup feature, none nada. Boy that was great when your save got corrupted and you had to just start over?

You are still missing the point on the borrow leach, it started because of the one mil send limit, and yes it's cloning. Also, we were cloning cars before the save backup anyway, send car and then hard boot the ps3, keep car and send.

Apples to apples? It's all dodgy 👍

 

[Tornado]

Saving your backup is an essential step to hacking your car, remove that feature and there won't be any new hacked cars. Easy thing for sony/pd to do. Sony/PD are aware of the backup work around. That might be why there is a 1 mil cr. trade limit. There is a major difference between the two. Trade restores never cheated anyone out of a fair win.

The difference doesn't matter. You're making the argument that the people who exploit a certain aspect of GT5 have a right to be angry if another group people who exploit a similar aspect of GT5 make the first group lose their ability to carry on exploiting.

They don't. It's not a sliding scale. You either follow the Terms of Service agreement or you don't; and if you don't follow it you don't get to dictate your anger if something happens that makes it so you can't break the ToS in your own way anymore. And to be frank, it wasn't that long ago when talking about duplicating cars was a taboo topic met with the same hostility as the current hybriding discussion does.

 

[Teal]

The difference doesn't matter. You're making the argument that the people who exploit a certain aspect of GT5 have a right to be angry if another group people who exploit a similar aspect of GT5 make the first group lose their ability to carry on exploiting.

They don't. It's not a sliding scale. You either follow the Terms of Service agreement or you don't; and if you don't follow it you don't get to dictate your anger if something happens that makes it so you can't break the ToS in your own way anymore. And to be frank, it wasn't that long ago when talking about duplicating cars was a taboo topic met with the same hostility as the current hybriding discussion does.

hybrids are still cheating legitimate cars out of a win.

 

[Ranman20]

Sunset is just a crybaby.

 

[Nismo34]

I just enjoy creating and driving hybrids with my friends, I don't try to race them online.

I am trying for the fastest 1/4 mile time right now

I have an Audi RS6 avant that runs a 3.5 second 1/4 mile but I was beat by a Chevy SSR last night than runs 2.8's.

These are the sorts of cars that are ruining it. Since when does a 2.8 quarter mile Chevy SSR exist in the real world?