Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.

[Tornado]

Now hit it with a hammer.

 

[1241Penguin]

I come across as a hypocrite for defending the statement because I think "The Real Driving Simulator" is a silly catch phrase???

You come across as a hypocrite for saying that GT5 is a driving simulator because that's what the catchphrase, "The Real Driving Simulator" says, but then you say:

I actually think it's a pretty silly catch phrase for the series

So why you you use that catch phrase in an argument at all?

Please, oh please, show me where I explained to you why I think "The Real Driving Simulator" is a silly catch phrase.

See above.

Ok, now I really am done for real

I would like to question you again on genres, but sadly this is way OT, so I'll stop there.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

But in all seriousness if he really did do that all I have to say is what a waste. I mean i guess that is his choice to deal with PD'S decision like that

True enough. Seems as tho the latest update/patch has really sent some people off the deep end. Such insanity, I really don't understand it.

 

[twitcher]

You come across as a hypocrite for saying that GT5 is a driving simulator because that's what the catchphrase, "The Real Driving Simulator" says, but then you say:

So why you you use that catch phrase in an argument at all?

Wow...you're just making 🤬 up as you go now. "GT5 is a driving simulator because that's what the catch phrase, 'The Real Driving Simulator' says." Are you positive I said that???? Are you sure I said anything all at that even remotely resembles that point of view??

First off, just because I don't like the catch phrase, that doesn't mean I can't use it in an argument. Straws buddy....little tiny straws.

Second, (and here's where you need to pay attention), I suggest you go back to the start of this discussion, and reread everything, starting with Kurzweil's post, and then my response to it.

When I said

Let me get this straight....you're saying "GT5 is a Racing Simulator, not a Driving Simulator"...

The bit inside the quotation marks was me paraphrasing Kurzweil's first paragraph. Like I said in previous posts, I was attempting to point out the irony of his statement - I was NOT saying nor implying that GT5 was a driving simulator and not a racing simulator.

Further in the conversation, just to make things clear, I emphasized this point

And don't try to make it seem like I'm claiming that GT5 is a driving game, and not a racing game. That's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that GT5 is whatever the 🤬 each individual gamer wants it to be.

I also said

I did not mean for it to seem as though I was using the catch phrase "The Real Driving Simulator" as my own definition of what the game is. I actually think it's a pretty silly catch phrase for the series

Now, where, in all of that, did you get the idea that I said "that GT5 is a driving simulator because that's what the catchphrase, "The Real Driving Simulator" says"?????

Like I said, you're just making 🤬 up out of thin air. You're making yourself look like a fool, and you're making me look like an a$$ for replying to you. I should have stopped the first time, but now I really am done

I would like to question you again on genres, but sadly this is way OT, so I'll stop there.

You want to question me on genres? What, am I in trouble or something? You need to spend some time questioning yourself son.

 

[1241Penguin]

Edit: Never mind, OT.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

I paid for my game and should be able to do what I want and emphasis on OFFLINE. So all you online babys can cry about you accepted the rules. PD can't tell me how to play my damn game.

Then don't download the patch.

What's wrong with todays people. They hack a game, break its ToS, spread their hacks on the internet and then complain, when the devs -who threated players with bans from the online content because of this before- start to act.

 

[Jaywalker]

then don't download the patch.

What's wrong with todays people. They hack a game, break its tos, spread their hacks on the internet and then complain, when the devs -who threated players with bans from the online content because of this before- start to act.

+1

 

[Lock2Lock]

Then don't download the patch.

What's wrong with todays people. They hack a game, break its ToS, spread their hacks on the internet and then complain, when the devs -who threated players with bans from the online content because of this before- start to act.

Exactly.

Funniest part about his comment is "PD can't tell me how I play my game".

Well they sure as hell can tell you that you will not play online hahaha

 

[trackripper123]

then don't download the patch.

What's wrong with todays people. They hack a game, break its tos, spread their hacks on the internet and then complain, when the devs -who threated players with bans from the online content because of this before- start to act.

+1

 

[Reddee]

Ha ha keep them comments coming guys this thread is so funny.

 

[G.T.Ace]

It's good they patched it out, because it opened up too many cheating possibilities.
Of course punishing only the people who use hacked stuff online would be the ideal solution, but how do you want to monitor that? It's almost impossible to do this, especially with so many people playing.

Like mentioned already, there are terms of service, and they're there for a reason.


Oh and that driving simulator vs. racing simulator stuff is the biggest nonesense regarding GT ever. "The Real Driving Simulator" is just a tagline for advertising purposes. GT is a racing game, you race in it.

 

[toonarmani]

Online or offline is irrelevant - the agreement is in place either way. If you don't agree with it, don't play the game.

The analogy I would use is if someone were taking drugs at home or a dealer was selling it in the streets, both are wrong. You wouldn't let the former do it as they were on their own at home and not hurting anybody etc...

The severity of punishment may differ between the two, but however you dress it up, it's still wrong and should be stopped.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's good they patched it out, because it opened up too many cheating possibilities.
Of course punishing only the people who use hacked stuff online would be the ideal solution, but how do you want to monitor that? It's almost impossible to do this, especially with so many people playing.

Like mentioned already, there are terms of service, and they're there for a reason.

All that needed to be done was combined HP/PP limits in lobbies and lounges. Problem solved.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Online or offline is irrelevant - the agreement is in place either way. If you don't agree with it, don't play the game.

The analogy I would use is if someone were taking drugs at home or a dealer was selling it in the streets, both are wrong. You wouldn't let the former do it as they were on their own at home and not hurting anybody etc...

The severity of punishment may differ between the two, but however you dress it up, it's still wrong and should be stopped.

You really think people give a 🤬 about the TOS when they play the game offline? Especially when hybriding has been going in older GT games as well?

 

[G.T.Ace]

All that needed to be done was combined HP/PP limits in lobbies and lounges. Problem solved.

I guess you could code this in a couple of minutes right?
You would need every HP/PP combination from over 1000 cars, cars which can be tuned, detuned and modified in different ways. You also forget that the weight and aero settings also change the PP. How the hell do you want to calculate and monitor that?

Especially when hybriding has been going in older GT games as well?

Do you really think PD wouldn't have patched that if they had the option?

 

[thelvynau]

Online or offline is irrelevant - the agreement is in place either way. If you don't agree with it, don't play the game.

The analogy I would use is if someone were taking drugs at home or a dealer was selling it in the streets, both are wrong. You wouldn't let the former do it as they were on their own at home and not hurting anybody etc...

The severity of punishment may differ between the two, but however you dress it up, it's still wrong and should be stopped.

Terrible analogy because if they took the drugs in their own home nobody would give a toss.

 

[krenkme]

The term "realistic" hacks, needs a closer look. If we are talking "real" then some of these hacks are far from that. This is just an example (I have never hacked, nor would I, because with all the cars in the game and the ways you can tune them is good for me)

If you want to drop the engine of a GT-R into a Civic, there is more then just a swap. First, if it fits at all, you'd need to tub out the engine bay. Replace motor mounts. Stiffen the front suspension to take on the extra weight. Raise the car to accommodate the new drive train and gears to the rear (because you're not mounting the engine sideways). Make and build a new transmission with longer linkage. Make a new rear housing and possibly tub the rear end. And that's just under the assumption that you can do all those things. It's not just swapping the engines, like many have said... if you're going for "realistic" hacks. And putting the car on a different chassis is as just as difficult as a new engine.

Yes some can be "realistic" (Viper engine in the RAM, Vette engine in the Camaro... ect.), but most are still just hacks, no matter how "real" you think they are.

*steps off soap box, and continues his idiot way of life*

 

[Johnnypenso]

I guess you could code this in a couple of minutes right?
You would need every HP/PP combination from over 1000 cars, cars which can be tuned, detuned and modified in different ways. You also forget that the weight and aero settings also change the PP. How the hell do you want to calculate and monitor that?


Do you really think PD wouldn't have patched that if they had the option?

No, I meant just give hosts the option of setting PP and HP limits simultaneously. Very extensive testing proved to me that the PP system worked just fine with hybrids, outside of the really high HP cars

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Do you really think PD wouldn't have patched that if they had the option?

I'm sure they would, but I don't see how it's relevant when it's impossible to do so. And even if they could, they can't force anyone to accept the patch. Back then, the best thing PD could do was make their games as secure as possible before releasing them. My point is, because they're offline, people are going to easily get away with doing whatever they want to their game. A bunch of silly rules written by Sony isn't going to stop them.

 

[danardif1]

They had to stop it, as allowing the hacking to continue would most likely infringe all the agreements and contracts made with the manufacturers featured in the game, and might even jeopardise their involvement in future titles.

 

[Kitten]

They had to stop it, as allowing the hacking to continue would most likely infringe all the agreements and contracts made with the manufacturers featured in the game, and might even jeopardise their involvement in future titles.

Why does Forza have engine swaps, and livery editor and drivetrain swaps? Do the manufacture care, Nope.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Why does Forza have engine swaps, and livery editor and drivetrain swaps? Do the manufacture care, Nope.

The hacked cars in GT5 are completely different. It's not only engine swapping, it also includes completely fictional stuff and other parts like wheels, chassis etc. Also, I could be wrong here, but as far as I know, engine swaps in Forza are also limited. I don't think you can put in LFA engine into a Golf.

 

[Kitten]

The hacked cars in GT5 are completely different. It's not only engine swapping, it also includes completely fictional stuff and other parts like wheels, chassis etc. Also, I could be wrong here, but as far as I know, engine swaps in Forza are also limited. I don't think you can put in LFA engine into a Golf.

Ok thats a good point.

 

[AuToNoMy]

Which is what I've been trying to say all along people should not be hacking no matter what shape or form it is it's still hacking and is not allowed and yes I agree we should be able to do car modifications but only the ones that have been done in the real world or which could be feasible but when it all boils down to it it is PD who make all the final decisions so hopefully somehow they take feedback from this site and will deliver something in the near future or on the next GT .... Fingers crossed

 

[Lock2Lock]

Why does Forza have engine swaps, and livery editor and drivetrain swaps? Do the manufacture care, Nope.

Actually they do. That's why there isn't cross manufacturer engine swaps in Forza

Ha ha keep them comments coming guys this thread is so funny.

Right.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Which is what I've been trying to say all along people should not be hacking no matter what shape or form it is it's still hacking and is not allowed and yes I agree we should be able to do car modifications but only the ones that have been done in the real world or which could be feasible but when it all boils down to it it is PD who make all the final decisions so hopefully somehow they take feedback from this site and will deliver something in the near future or on the next GT .... Fingers crossed

We get it. Hacking bad.

And periods and commas are your friends.

 

[AuToNoMy]

And periods and commas are your friends.

Not on an iPhone they ain't

 

[Gravitron]

Being on a phone is no excuse to throw out the AUP that you agreed to when signing up here:

You will not use “textspeak” (“r”, “u”, “plz”, etc.) in your messages. Decent grammar is expected at all times, including proper usage of capital letters.

 

[Rdp616]

The hacked cars in GT5 are completely different. It's not only engine swapping, it also includes completely fictional stuff and other parts like wheels, chassis etc. Also, I could be wrong here, but as far as I know, engine swaps in Forza are also limited. I don't think you can put in LFA engine into a Golf.

Well, i'm sure a Chassis swap wasn't exactly what people wanted to do to get better wheel fitment.. An offset adjustment would've been easier and better.

But hey, that's what we got. And people swap wheels from other cars ALL THE TIME. Where have you been the past 15 years?

Yes, some people abused the garage editor. But there are also plenty of people that didn't, and used it in a correct fashion..

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

The hacked cars in GT5 are completely different. It's not only engine swapping, it also includes completely fictional stuff and other parts like wheels, chassis etc. Also, I could be wrong here, but as far as I know, engine swaps in Forza are also limited. I don't think you can put in LFA engine into a Golf.

Not to start a huge debate, but you could..

This golf has the W12 from the Nardo in it.