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Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.
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Not really, as the LFA is not under the VAG corporate umbrella. Forza's swaps were loosely tied to those company groupings in FM3, but in FM4, are limited to same-manufacturer only.
I keep seeing "correct" and "legit" used to defend certain hybrid approaches. In the context of the game, I really don't think people realize those words don't mean what they think they mean.
I keep seeing "correct" and "legit" used to defend certain hybrid approaches. In the context of the game, I really don't think people realize those words don't mean what they think they mean.
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Hummmm well it isn't perfected as the list and how to. But if you want to deny it here's a picture to prove it
Those are the rims from a Ford Focus Rally car
So not sure if you think I am BSing you but I wouldn't waste my posting if i was
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shopped. ^
we've already been over it multiple times on NGU, the way the current wheel system is set up it's not possible.
we've already been over it multiple times on NGU, the way the current wheel system is set up it's not possible.
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Never been over it. And no it is not photo shopped.
I did this and I know a few other people that have done it too.
One thing I do not like to be called is a liar. So please do not say that I am lying. Get your facts straight before calling me a liar again.
Like i said the list isn't fully tested to the point of pin point accuracy. And so far I (and others that have tested this with me) have been able to add those and the susuki swift rally car rims on every premium car we have tested.
The RX7 that i took the picture from my phone and my buddy's FRS also the premium Honda Civic and a few others. You probably haven't been doing this the way we have.
So once again do not call me a liar because i am not here to lie to you. But i will not tolerate someone stating that I am lying when infact I am not
And also I don't own a copy of photo shop
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Initiallly I have to say I was against the whole modding scene as if PD wanted us to do it they would have added it themselves however tho more pictures I saw the more I thought it was actually pretty cool. Some of the rides created looked stunning.
Unfortunately tho you do get the people who abuse it and I've been in 550pp rooms sheet some guy was running a Ford Focus ST170 and hitting 6m30s laps and topping out at 200+mph on the straight at nords.
This aspect tho was why it was killed, PD can't govern it so its for the best it was removed.
I hope the add it to GT6.........
*cant mod myself but really wish I could have got someone to make the Ford RS on std Rally Focus however if that meant rally wheels then WRX STI 07 chassis as I would love a 4wd RS Focus.
Unfortunately tho you do get the people who abuse it and I've been in 550pp rooms sheet some guy was running a Ford Focus ST170 and hitting 6m30s laps and topping out at 200+mph on the straight at nords.
This aspect tho was why it was killed, PD can't govern it so its for the best it was removed.
I hope the add it to GT6.........
*cant mod myself but really wish I could have got someone to make the Ford RS on std Rally Focus however if that meant rally wheels then WRX STI 07 chassis as I would love a 4wd RS Focus.
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Why? Because he did in a Focus instead of an LFA or any of the other cars capable of that? 6:30s are often the winning time when the guys I run with are at the Nordschliefe. Those are unmodded times. +/- 8:10s on the 24hr. mike_peperni (on this forum) runs in that room too. I watched his 458 do 8:08 on the 24hr (all tune, no mods).
That's the point. Modding allowed for marginal cars to become competitive cars. Not to slight anyone, but as has been stated a few times in this debate, you'll be beat by a better driver with a better tune and better luck on the track. If giving the game a more broad selection of cars and more competitive racing ruins it, then I guess I'm mistaken as to what constitutes a good game.
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You're missing his point:
PP is/was meant to be the equalizer -- allowing different cars to compete with each other and be relatively close at the checkered given the same PP value. We know it doesn't work out that way; at each pp level, there are runaway favourites. ie. LFA, Elise etc
Modding at least closed the gap and allowed for other cars ie. the FOCUS to be competitive at the same PP. Note that I said competitive, not faster. The LFAs, Elises were still kings of the castle.
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Interesting point of view. You must play with no tuning and full damage then and you exit the game once the car becomes damaged (because hey, damage doesn't fix itself).
Here's a reminder of reality from my local track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vreUlIu3-x4
There is a fine line between realistic hybrid and ripe banana. GT5 is definitely on the ripe banana side of the fence.
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The point is, different people see things from a different perspectives.
PP is a guideline. Driving skills the equalizer.
In the real world there are dominant cars. Every race series has rules and regulations.
At least in Mario Kart every player knows what is possible, what they are up against.
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Yes, and in the real world, the dominant cars are penalized with weight additions and/or power restrictions and the weaker cars are given leeway to keep everything on an even keel.
The assumption that a player is terrible and that a modded/hybrid car made up the skill difference is a comment that comes from lack of knowledge. It's been stated many times, the cars are better than they started off but never great.
When I wanted to win or place, I picked a regular PD provided car. If I wanted to have a good time and see what my creation could do I picked a hybrid. And, this might be a shocker, in both cases I quite often finished ahead of the majority of the racers on track. The biggest factor was the skill depth of the field.
The PP system actually works FAR BETTER than we have been led to believe. The issue is that many (most?) cars are not privy to enough tuning range to be on an even playing surface with the cheese cars of the game.
Want to talk cheating an unrealistic? How does a 542PP NSX keep up with a 550PP Ferrari 458? A 2 decade old chassis that keeps pace with the state of the art?...seem UNREALISTIC to me.
. Though that is opinion. I hate JMpitbull, he comes in here with lame jokes trying to fan the flames of this already edgy debate. Just ignore him, and your day will be better.Along with weight/HP it's the only guideline available to us in GT5 to level the playing field and to actually make it a battle of skills. Except it doesn't work; it has come down to who drives the LFA or the HSC. Pretty damn boring to tell ya the truth.
Every player knows what is possible at a given PP too. ie. @550 on Nurb, ~6:30s in the top cars.
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I believe you can add weight/restrict power to dominant cars in GT5
It's not an assumption, it's a possibility. One that can not be quantified.
So your hybrids were faster than PD provided cars? Sounds like you either cheated the PP system, or your skills somehow improve when driving hacked cars.
That's not an issue, and it's not PP related. Some cars are designed as passenger vehicles. Others are designed as race vehicles.
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Most people don't believe that the PP system worked with hybrids. Only those that worked with the hybrids know that to be true. Anyone who didn't work with hybrids, will always think there is some hidden secret you had access to and that's why they lost to you or got beat by someone else in a hybrid. No matter how earnest you are, no matter how many facts you throw out, no matter how much testing you did or experience you have, they just won't believe you. They would rather wallow in their own ignorance than learn something new and refuse to believe there are possibilities out there far better than the extremely limited options PD gave us in tuning for GT5.
Anyone who worked with hybrids and built cars for circuit racing with them saw a glimpse of what could have been for GT5. Unless you've looked behind that hidden door, you just have no idea what you are missing.
Anyone who worked with hybrids and built cars for circuit racing with them saw a glimpse of what could have been for GT5. Unless you've looked behind that hidden door, you just have no idea what you are missing.
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The hidden secret is behind the hidden door.
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Doesn't change the fact that a properly built hybrid adhered to the PP system very well and still could not beat the usual ringers.
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This
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I missed that crash by 2 minutes...
plus the driver wasnt the owner neither was the guy who gave him the keys... Anyways I really hope that PD include the same modding abilities in GT6 I miss my Integra...
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