Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.
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but I would be nice to see it in GT5 but it's unlike that will happen 
hogger129
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I don't see what the problem would have been. Maybe instead of just banning hacks all together, they could have added an option to not allow "HYBRID" region cars into the rooms, and blocked them from time trial events also, instead of just a general ruin everybody's good time. All I know is if GT6 doesn't add things like engine swaps, etc, that people have been asking for, they aren't getting another dime from me.
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Kazunori Yamauchi has achieved human drama
http://www.caradvice.com.au/200993/toyota-recalls-2-76m-cars-12710-prius-hybrids-australia/
http://www.caradvice.com.au/200993/toyota-recalls-2-76m-cars-12710-prius-hybrids-australia/
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Nerly every DLC with cars there have Been a (GTR-R35)
But not a BMW M3 E30
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Other old cars
But not a BMW M3 E30
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Other old cars
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Or just let it be, the only reason I and many others started playing GT again was all these new possibilities, and it was a minority of kids being idiots, literally 90%+ of the people I saw using Hybrid cars did so responsibly.
It's a lot like alcohol, its very bad for us and is the root cause of a lot of crime and things, yet we all love it and it doesn't get banned, because it's a huge minority of people that abuse it to the point of being a criminal or whatever.
These kids can still jump in x1's and ruin everyone's day anyway, or use super soft tires, just a waste of resources and a community killer "fixing" hybrids.
Well since PD haven't spoken out we have no idea what their main issue was. Was it hacked cars in general or was it just the 'crazy' cars that people wanted to cheat with they wanted to get rid of? Did they just want to fix the integrity of their game in general? We don't know but they've done what they've done and unlike the PP changes this isn't something they're going to revert so time to just accept your illicit fun is over. Everyone doing this must have know there was a chance this would happen, it's not like it was a huge surpise.
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All that makes few sense considering they left hidden tuning parts allowed. Either this was a stupid oversight or they are really thaaat arrogant and ignorant that they think their own creations and features are the only the game may have, instead of appreciating the effort that fans have made to make the game a better place. Instead of fitting the game to hybrids by giving us improved lobby filtering/restriction settings they had to blow it all up.
Like the updated OP says, a huge community has been created around these cars with people who use their mind, who truely improve not just their but also their friend's time playing the game. The kids with stupid hybrids will just continue to annoy people within the given limitations now, barely makes a difference.
Basically what PD says with this update is, 'If you're creative, get the 🤬 out of our game. Oh, but here, have some hidden tuning parts we once planned to include in the game, which are mostly bugged, give you insane power (I refer to the hidden NOS here, all it does is multiplicating your power to insane numbers) and advantages that don't count towards your car's PP (drivetrain parts) or influence it in the wrong way (weight reduction stage 4 on my otherwise only in-game tuned GT-R gave me -502PP). Now enjoy our creation like WE want and force you to, otherwise you won't be able to access the only interesting sections of the game anymore (online functions).
Oh, and don't expect us to say anything about that matter. Maybe you'll get one or two cryptic sentences from our God, the almighty Yamauchi, in a couple of months... maybe.
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Ever since the I learned of the reprucussions of the latest update, I have been reluctant to even play GT5; only because I know eventually I'm going to want to go online, and all my drift hybrids will be no more..I quietly cursed PD for punking out and eliminating all hybrids instead of finding a way to keep them from unfairly dominating competitions..I took it as an almost personal blow as a drifter, because of all the racing disciplines inherent to GT5, it is the drifters that embraced hybriding and went about it in a way most inobtrusive to anyone else(the stance/hellaflush and drag crowds to a lesser extent)...
But then whisperings of grip multipliers and special tires still being present made me realize that this probably wasn't a PD or even a Sony motivated decision: this is the spawn of manufacturer complaint... we may never know whom, but I definitely have a hypothesis...Ferrari..I'm thoroughly convinced the first player that hacked a Ferrari and painted it, changed its chassis dimensions, or rallied it caused so much of an italian fuss, that KY forgot he was japanese, and thought Mazda and Nissan were going to call next demanding that no one dare place a 4 rotor or an LS1 in one of their respective vehicles...
Now I go to play offline to generate ghosts and pictures of the glory that GT5 was for a short time, and what we hope GT6 will be(knowing that it probably won't).
But then whisperings of grip multipliers and special tires still being present made me realize that this probably wasn't a PD or even a Sony motivated decision: this is the spawn of manufacturer complaint... we may never know whom, but I definitely have a hypothesis...Ferrari..I'm thoroughly convinced the first player that hacked a Ferrari and painted it, changed its chassis dimensions, or rallied it caused so much of an italian fuss, that KY forgot he was japanese, and thought Mazda and Nissan were going to call next demanding that no one dare place a 4 rotor or an LS1 in one of their respective vehicles...
Now I go to play offline to generate ghosts and pictures of the glory that GT5 was for a short time, and what we hope GT6 will be(knowing that it probably won't).
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In attempt to lift the spirits of the thread, Another example of hybrids enabling the replication of real cars. 
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Look guys... it's simple. First and foremost, GT5 is a RACING game. Don't let anyone kid you that it is supposed to be a 'driving' game. The day we no longer all drive on racetracks, it a driving game. Right now, the ONLY place you can drive is a racetrack! Ergo... race game!
The core part about any competitive game is, you HAVE to know the game is fair. No-one wants to play chess against a guy that has seven queens and a king. No-one would play soccer against a team that picked up the ball and ran with it. No-one would play golf against someone that had unlimited mulligans. Same thing for GT5. First and foremost, you need to know when you go out on track that if defeated, you were beaten by a better driver, not a better hacker and modder.
Unfortunately (but unsurprisingly), PD do not have the time or resources (you really want to delay GT6 just to add hybrids to an aging game?) to rewrite the whole game just so YOU can do mods, but performance hacks get nixed.
So PD have done the only thing they can. Ban the lot.
At this point, it is up to YOU the modders to see if your needs will be addressed legitimately in the new game. But personally, as GT games tend to avoid the more obscure trends, I wouldn't hold your breath. But, in the meantime, if, rather than actually racing, this is your favorite way of playing a racing game, sleep easy in that other games have it covered. Move on...
The core part about any competitive game is, you HAVE to know the game is fair. No-one wants to play chess against a guy that has seven queens and a king. No-one would play soccer against a team that picked up the ball and ran with it. No-one would play golf against someone that had unlimited mulligans. Same thing for GT5. First and foremost, you need to know when you go out on track that if defeated, you were beaten by a better driver, not a better hacker and modder.
Unfortunately (but unsurprisingly), PD do not have the time or resources (you really want to delay GT6 just to add hybrids to an aging game?) to rewrite the whole game just so YOU can do mods, but performance hacks get nixed.
So PD have done the only thing they can. Ban the lot.
At this point, it is up to YOU the modders to see if your needs will be addressed legitimately in the new game. But personally, as GT games tend to avoid the more obscure trends, I wouldn't hold your breath. But, in the meantime, if, rather than actually racing, this is your favorite way of playing a racing game, sleep easy in that other games have it covered. Move on...
hogger129
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Better way to do it could have been to block "HYBRID" region cars from entering online events, installing something to limit "HYBRID" region cars out of online rooms, so people could play free of hacks.
I mean there's options to set other limits onto the rooms, I don't see why they couldn't have built in an option to block HYBRID cars from the rooms.
But whatever. It is what it is and I'm not going to cry about it.
I mean there's options to set other limits onto the rooms, I don't see why they couldn't have built in an option to block HYBRID cars from the rooms.
But whatever. It is what it is and I'm not going to cry about it.
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Let me get this straight....you're saying "GT5 is a Racing Simulator, not a Driving Simulator".....
Then how come, on the front cover of my copy of GT5, on the disc itself, and during the start up screens, DIRECTLY UNDER THE TITLE OF GRAN TURISMO 5, does it say, "The Real Driving Simulator???????
Are you callin PD liars son??? We don't take too kindly to that type of attitude 'round these parts, y'hear!
Edit: LOL, I didn't notice this until after I posted, but you said,
Is there some rule I don't know about which stipulates that, just because I'm on a racetrack, I have to race?
Your post was half decently written, but soooo full of holes. Try again.
Why is it so difficult for people like you to comprehend the idea that there is a large portion of both the gaming world and the real car world, who enjoy both modding their cars, AND racing their cars???? Why do I keep seeing this same recurring argument from the anti-hybrid side that "GT5 is for racing, not modifying. If you want to modify your cars, go play NFS"
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you implying that in-depth car modification (such as engine swaps, drivetrain reconfigs, and custom stance) is an obscure trend???
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Eks
Because modifications that a manufacturer would have little to no input such as tires, grip multiplier and special parts, Cr/level gain, etc..,(all of whose acquisition and use are "illegal") are still there, and I'm not holding my breath that they're going to be eliminated..they banned it because some high end manufacturer (probably Ferrari given their history of butthurtedness) saw one of their vehicles doing something it wasn't meant to do, like rallying(or in the case of Ferrari, not catching on fire), or not looking how it's supposed to look, and got scared the new rich that are young enough to play GT5 are going to start dirt tracking en masse, and FnFing their "precious creations"..
Let me put it this way, this is not PD "eliminating illegality" this is a cop pulling you over for doing 49mph in a 45mph zone because his captain yelled at him during the morning briefing.
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Are you kidding? No, seriously, are you?
You do realize that everything in the game depends on the perspective of the person playing the game.
Just because everything you see relates to racing, that doesn't mean everyone else sees things the same way.
Take SSR7 for example. I can only presume, that you automatically see a racetrack. News flash - there are thousands of people who play this game that don't see SSR7 as a racetrack, but rather as a place to meet for nightly cruises. It's a stretch of highway that happens to have turn-arounds at both ends.
And come on, you can't actually believe that cars like the Diahatsu Midget, Kibblewagon, Schwimmerwagon (sorry, spelling), and Samba Bus were added into the game purely for racing
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People have a tendency to drive around like normal people in Grand Theft Auto. Does that make GTA a driving game comparable to the likes of this game?
Yes, yes I do.And come on, you can't actually believe that cars like the Diahatsu Midget, Kibblewagon, Schwimmerwagon (sorry, spelling), and Samba Bus were added into the game purely for racing
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Again, it depends on perspective. To those people who choose to play GTA in that fashion, then yes, to them, it may be a driving game.
Personally, I've always enjoyed the driving aspects of the GTA series much more than the shooting aspects. For every hour of shooting I did in GTA, I probably did 10 hours of driving.
I really fail to see the point you are trying to make. To me, it just further illustrates that you don't understand the concept of individual perspective, and that not everyone plays the game the same way you do.
Ooook. That's your opinion, and I guess you're entitled to it. Others, myself included, may beg to differ....
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