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Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.
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True but modding on PC didn't start as a legitimate and supported enterprise, it started as hacking. Then developers got a little gleam in their eye about the potential of a game that could be effectively recycled over and over....
I know they're on PC as well but look at rFactor - the fully customisable racing sim... as well as all the SimBin titles that sprang from its physics engine.. and all of their modding support. Success in part or in full owed to its custom content, with which you can do literally anything the physics will support. Online racing was still possible too as long as everyone in the lobby was running the same thing. Its old hat, its not contraversial... Consoles are now cutting edge and yet this restriction on customising content is the one thing that keeps them behind PC gaming, even more so than graphical capability.
We're monkeys, man. Talking monkeys... and we wanna mess about with stuff.
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In PC games, you can create brand new content, on GT5, you can not. You only have the features and materials given. And you can't just say give us those features so we can hack it, because then, what's the point of that? Just give it to everyone.
Modding on a PC is no where near that of PS3 or XBox. It's an entirely different level.
Modding on a PC is no where near that of PS3 or XBox. It's an entirely different level.
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Yes, it is.
What's your point?I'll respond to what I think your point is. I'm not saying we should suddenly have access to an SDK to mod away to our hearts content, I'm saying that clamping down on it this way is a little short sited... they could've exploited it while still protecting online users who didn't want any part of it. They can obviously recognise the difference between a hybrid and a stock car code, so it would've been possible to filter them instead banning them outright. OK it contravenes the EULA but, you know, adapt and capitalise...
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Yes, it is.
Let me say, it's going to be hard to understand my point. (Real life) Stress can do a lot to one's thinking so bear with me.
If the company, in this case Polyphony Digital, wanted modding to be a part of the game they would make PC games because they can be changed in really anyway possible. There's a reason behind consoles (other then being easily affordable to your average man), it's protected by its developers.
I hope that makes sense, I try my best.
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Console games were always made for living room entertainment that won't need other tools other than hand controller to get started. Easy access, even playing field where everyone has the same hardware and software contents, simple to run without prior knowledge or PC skills. Modding is the opposite of console gaming.
I believe this is what most console dev and publisher had in mind when they are making games.
I believe this is what most console dev and publisher had in mind when they are making games.
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Sad day for true enthusiasts in the Gran Turismo world.. You won't see me going online for a very long time.
They should have put a filter for cars over 1500hp and deleted them all. Same goes for -PP cars. Leave us to our realistic engine swapped drift cars and our drag slick 1/4 mile machines. I won't have my cars taken..
They should have put a filter for cars over 1500hp and deleted them all. Same goes for -PP cars. Leave us to our realistic engine swapped drift cars and our drag slick 1/4 mile machines. I won't have my cars taken..
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(Pulling your comment from the other thread as well...)
Are you implying that non-hybrid users aren't 'true enthusiasts'? If so, get out, we don't need such arrogance.
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Are you implying that non-hybrid users aren't 'true enthusiasts'? If so, get out, we don't need such arrogance.
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It's his thread, he can say what he likes.
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That's impossible, as PD is a Sony owned company. Sony would never let their most successful exclusive franchise be ported over to another platform.
They would have fixed the hybrids because it's the rules and because it's not fair to those that stayed within the game's parameters, but PD could have capatalized on this hybriding craze if they wanted to, but probably won't.
They'll continue to be the same; stubborn and do what they want, just like some of the people who made hybrids. We've seen the massive potential the game can have, but it seems upon final review of the product and it's patches before releasing them, there's a queue of developers thinking "Hmm, that has the posibility of being fun or useful... better remove it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCPZSaHyZGQ&t=4m23s
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I am so with you on that Mitch. I won't lose my prize possession, my 8.3 Liter Camaro Z28, to 24MB of ignorance.
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Games have rules, and if you don't like it, simply take up another hobby.
You pay for internet and that merely gives you the ability to get online. You're not paying for the hosting of game information and server space, they're offering it...house rules, buddy.
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👍 Well said, Great Clarkson clip too
.Now that PD has "sorted" the hyrbids, which still arn't fully removed from what i've read (Super Soft tyres and Hidden Parts like Stage 4 turbos etc are still fitted & active) They can carry on modeling 10 million polygon headlights for GT6, while forgeting to visually model any suspension or car under body.
Or even getting to work on the important stuff like a decent tyre physics model.
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New OP...
Games are also meant to entertain, and after 2 and a half years this game entertains few (I might add, I race with a core group of guys and have a blast racing at GTAcademy levels). When the game maker notices their game come back to life in such fashion as we've seen in these past couple months (If you need proof - YouTube video's of hybrid cars have MANY more views then GT5 channels with core subscribers that do race commentaries. Views=Popularity=Traffic=Relevance). You think they would take action by adapting rather than oppressing. With GT6 on the far horizon, you don't think they would want their game to be as relevant as it could be - rather then stabbing 80% of the GT Population in the heart?
I won't be updating - I'll race on different games.
Games have rules, that is true...
Games are also meant to entertain, and after 2 and a half years this game entertains few (I might add, I race with a core group of guys and have a blast racing at GTAcademy levels). When the game maker notices their game come back to life in such fashion as we've seen in these past couple months (If you need proof - YouTube video's of hybrid cars have MANY more views then GT5 channels with core subscribers that do race commentaries. Views=Popularity=Traffic=Relevance). You think they would take action by adapting rather than oppressing. With GT6 on the far horizon, you don't think they would want their game to be as relevant as it could be - rather then stabbing 80% of the GT Population in the heart?
I won't be updating - I'll race on different games.
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Looks like most of use forgot what console gaming is all about ... I look back when I started playing the 80's console using game cartridges, I never have to worried about others cheating using mods or hacks ( offline only ). I only have secret cheat codes provided by the game maker to entertain me further .
This is the issue with online capable console gaming, the lines between PC modding abilities and console gaming becomes blurred to players, console maker + publishers will always wanted to make sure console remains console just like when it was invented, even during online and offline play. 2 of the worst enemy for console hardware/software company: piracy and game modding/hacking.
.This is the issue with online capable console gaming, the lines between PC modding abilities and console gaming becomes blurred to players, console maker + publishers will always wanted to make sure console remains console just like when it was invented, even during online and offline play. 2 of the worst enemy for console hardware/software company: piracy and game modding/hacking.
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So can we. But Jordan literally owns all threads.
The sooner everyone gets over the changes, the less absurd pain and ridiculous anguish there will be. This game has over one thousand cars in it.
If you're bored, feel free to play something else.
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Consoles will change further over time as technology progresses. Consoles never used to be able to play films or music, but now entertainment is a huge part of the companies focus.
I look at modern consoles as entertainment hubs, they have streaming film and music video services, internet access, voice chat, wireless communications and all, as well as the ability to play games. They're not really any different in functionality to smartphones, which aren't that differet to PC's.
Small photo cameras come with instant Facebook uploads, internet access and all these days, it won't be long before most entertainment products are almost the same in functionality as one another. I don't see a reason to restrict GT5 just because it's on a console, plently of other games have some form of in game modding and customization features, no reason why GT5 should be lacking.
I look at modern consoles as entertainment hubs, they have streaming film and music video services, internet access, voice chat, wireless communications and all, as well as the ability to play games. They're not really any different in functionality to smartphones, which aren't that differet to PC's.
Small photo cameras come with instant Facebook uploads, internet access and all these days, it won't be long before most entertainment products are almost the same in functionality as one another. I don't see a reason to restrict GT5 just because it's on a console, plently of other games have some form of in game modding and customization features, no reason why GT5 should be lacking.
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No kidding Lewis... Holding something like that back seems a little counter productive. Good thing we have the Microsoft forcing SONY into advancing with the upcoming PS4.. Moving with the times gentlemen.
I don't see where I said that? I was an automotive enthusiast before "GT5 HACKING!!" started... so..
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I asked if you were implying that. Just because you didn't say it directly, doesn't mean that is what you meant. So again, are you implying that non-hybrid users are not true enthusiasts?
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Well I certainly wasn't. 👍
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See, the hybrids corrupted you and the others. Now you're saying "true enthusiasts" are the modders who make hybrids and not those who don't? Wow thank you for giving me a reason to hate the hybrids now... 👎
Unforgivable.
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