Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.
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More so whinging about something that should've been in the game since I dunno about GT3 or GT4.
The series is way behind the ball with engine swaps etc.
If forza can implement it then surely Kaz and his boys shouldn't have too much of a hard time.
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And they got what they should have known was coming. Why buy it in the first place then?
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Oh please explain this to me. How have I played this game on seven different PSN accounts and did the endurances races in one night and every other A-Spec event 100% legit? I enjoyed the game. I will continue to play this game. I am working on my eighth account doing the same thing. Why? It's the fun factor. Sure I will miss hybriding. But now as a positive impact can make cars again with the normal engines. It makes the normal cars seem brand new again.
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I'm not really sure what the actual damage was. If it was the expense of others' enjoyment online, there were better ways to handle this.
This schoolboy "rules is rules" nonsense means squat. Sony are the idiots for failing to secure their code properly (they do not own the 1s and 0s on my hardware - software is procedure, is algorithms, is ideas - ideas are not property, and no legal system treats them as such), and the vast majority of hybriders have done nothing wrong, legally or morally.
One or two may have broken laws regarding piracy, privacy etc. (which in itself is debatable), and sure many will have done morally reprehensible things with their hybrids, like win an online race with an unfair advantage (which was possible before hybriding, if less prevalent perhaps).
But there were still better ways to handle this, and they would involve treating us like adult human beings, even if it's not always an accurate description.
What a crock. Get yourself another game to 'play', then. Personally, I enjoy the driving experience I get from trying out my many unused cars.
LOL!
And hacking shows integrity?And we wonder why the world's in the state it's in...
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If GT5 is now boring to some people fine, it is over two years old. Crying and moaning at PD for fixing the integrity of THEIR game however is pathetic. You always knew what you were doing wasn't allowed and as I said a few days ago there was no way they could just leave 'realistic' cars because who was going to define that?
Also the idea that the crazy X1 hackers are to blame is stupid, you seriously think PD would have let it slide if every car was that favourite word, 'realistic'? No, and that was never going to happen anyway. You're all to 'blame'.
Also the idea that the crazy X1 hackers are to blame is stupid, you seriously think PD would have let it slide if every car was that favourite word, 'realistic'? No, and that was never going to happen anyway. You're all to 'blame'.
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It was already defined by the game. Match a performance point level. The game already had it's own hacks.
NSXR LM doesn't exist at all. The race cars from the 60's shouldn't have downforce or at least not any adjustable downforce. Many of the prototypes don't actually run and their stats are hypothetical.
Making modded cars that adhered to the rules of the game was already proven to not break the game or ruin the experience for anyone. This not not opinion or conjecture. Like them or not, the proof said they were harmless.
History says this is a the wrong choice. What if Valve did this when Counter Strike came out? What if Epic did this with any Unreal mod?
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You can do whatever you want with your hardware. PD has every right to stop hackers from using theirs.
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The implication being that it is somehow "dishonest"? I'm open about it, I've always modified my games; nobody's making games especially for me, so I do it myself. I've never hurt anyone else in doing so, so what's the problem?
The problem is that they haven't actually fixed what caused the biggest problems in the first place - it is still possible to cheat with save-file mods.
I don't believe they should only allow "realistic" mods, and to focus on that particular argument and dismiss it, then pretend that in doing so dismisses the entire issue is frankly insulting.
I would have been quite happy for PD to ban hybrids from online; it would have been better to optionally allow them with room flags, of course. But to prevent their use entirely unless players self-impose obsolescence, and hence self-exclusion from the online portion, is just mindless and shows that they haven't really considered it from our perspective properly.
But congratulations in your vicious bile slinging at other players, when the blame lies firmly at PD and Sony's feet for the way they collectively structured their software. (Sony's keys were never cracked, they were found carelessly deposited somewhere; PD's save game reading should never have allowed the mods in the first place had they coded it properly. This is why hybrids have always been possible in the series.)
Actually, no they don't. They can exclude the hardware from online / distributed services, because services are different (and is precisely why games are trying to be morphed into services - see EA and SimCity.) As a gamer (I presume), you shouldn't be supporting such dishonest, overbearing, money-milking schemes.
Just because it's their fault it doesn't make it right. If a bank leaves it's vault doors open and you walk in and steal their money that doesn't make it ok, even if it was their fault.
What I'm asking is how do you decide what is realistic? Do you throw a general BHP curtain on cars? Do you expect PD to sift through each engine and chassis swap and cross reference them with reality to decide which are 'realistic'? Do you think they have the time for that? No, they don't, so the only option was a complete wipe out. Too bad if yours was realistic.
As for Unreal mods well I believe that engine SDK is available for any non-commercial use so that isn't the same at all. Sony nor PD gave anyone permission to make these mods, you agreed not to when you put the disc in your console.
What I'm asking is how do you decide what is realistic? Do you throw a general BHP curtain on cars? Do you expect PD to sift through each engine and chassis swap and cross reference them with reality to decide which are 'realistic'? Do you think they have the time for that? No, they don't, so the only option was a complete wipe out. Too bad if yours was realistic.
As for Unreal mods well I believe that engine SDK is available for any non-commercial use so that isn't the same at all. Sony nor PD gave anyone permission to make these mods, you agreed not to when you put the disc in your console.
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Games have rules. By definition, a gamer plays by those rules.
PSN is free. GT5 online is free. The coding is fine. How is that dishonest?
You broke the agreed terms of service and it's their fault?
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If you get annoyed with racing only 3 or 4 cars so you say, then do free run and test out other cars. No big deal there...
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There's no problem.
I'm no big anti hacker, I just chose not to participate. But to expect integrity (which they showed, btw) from PD about fixing illegal hacks to their software (which they have the copyright for), whilst being one of said hackers, is a bit rich for me... 
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- voodoovaj
A BHP cap would have been the easiest fix. There is no need for anything in a "simulator" to exceed four figure HP numbers. The PP system takes care of the rest.
Remove the unlimited option from PP and tire settings and it's done and dealt with. As it stands, I can still sneak a set of super soft tires into any room and simply assume no one will check...because few ever do.
That's my beef about it. Hypotheticals and opinions are all fine and dandy, but facts are facts. The fact is that hard working fans with harmless and interesting cars have been acted upon, while actual cheaters are free to continue cheating with impunity.
Proper community management would have built in anti cheating measures, solutions that have been around since before the franchise existed. Instead, they killed the perception of cheating without actually protecting anyone.
The "blame" is actually upon those who have access exclusive content through modding. That's what PD actually cares about. North America was not supposed to have the 5G. Chrome Line is only for those who legitimately got the cars.
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Ok so what is the BHP cap figure? 2000? But is a Subaru 360 putting out 2000 realistic? Probably not, let's lower it to 1000 then. But wait, some cars can realistically have more than that. So they would have to do it on individual cars, taking a lot of their time, time better spent in other ways.
You also never covered the chassis swaps or wheel swaps? Who decides what is realistic with those?
'Realistic mods' is such an ambigious term and nobody has the time to decide what is what, certainly not PD.
You also never covered the chassis swaps or wheel swaps? Who decides what is realistic with those?
'Realistic mods' is such an ambigious term and nobody has the time to decide what is what, certainly not PD.
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and GT PSP. Nice try.
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