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I'm trying to analyze b-spec mode. One thing is how to grow bobs correctly. How many races was enough to get the best bob? I saw MatrixJunior 's bob specs on gt5rs.com and found that my best bob had slightly less "speed"-parameter. What does it depend on? Maybe it depends on the required number of races at each level?(for example: you need to do 20 races between 30lvl and 35lvl, 15 races between 35lvl and 37lvl and so on). When i was in a hurry while growing bob at LeMan-24h, Marxgorm was doing many races on Tsukuba and Suzuka (right?) But simple quantity does not counts, i think (my bob did 300 races, but most of them was in the beginning and at the very end on lvl39).
Guys, what do you think about it? I hope to hear opinion of our winners, first of all
Guys, what do you think about it? I hope to hear opinion of our winners, first of all
Until GT6 -) I think about challenge for McLaren F1 -))) And i hope that russian idiom will work for me: "a bomb does not hit twice one crater". Where is my McLaren?
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Very good thought.. I am also interested if the winners completed all b-spec races in b-spec career mode with gold? I have still many races uncompleted even on b-spec beginners level. (I reached #2 in Scandinavia and did mostly Tsukuba 9h and Suzuka 1000km on day times). For my bob it was very easy (less than 1 hour job) to peak first place in Scandinavia on Le Mans on Sunday evening once the bob had reached level 40. My bob was on fire just after the level 40 upgrade.
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I finished all these races purposely, but one 3rd of them was at 39th level of my bob. May be it was too late, i mean it could destroy right proportions of level-upping... Hope our winners will tell us how many races their winner-bobs done (to the moment of making their record laps in competition) and proportions (quantity) of races per level. Especially on levels from 30 to 40.
// Sorry if my English isn't good enough. You may correct me - it would be healthy for my English
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Did you mean that you may destroyed your bob's career by completed B-Spec career mode races (like beginners level races) with the bob who was already on level 39? And maybe you could get better result if you had been completed b-spec career mode races in the "right order". Like completing level 14 race with level 14 bob, completing level 20 race with level 20 bob etc..?
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May be so, but i think bob must be at 40 level before his career hits half a way to the end, may be even before 1/3 of it. (if it's the peak of bob's life) So amount of races per levels can (could -) be important.
And another question: has anybody a bob with full "speed" parameter?
Our winners plz, tell us how many races your's winner-bobs done (to the moment of making their record laps in competition) and proportions (quantity) of races per level. Especially interested in amount of races between levels from 30 to 40.
May be so, but i think bob must be at 40 level before his career hits half a way to the end, may be even before 1/3 of it. (if it's the peak of bob's life) So amount of races per levels can (could -) be important.
And another question: has anybody a bob with full "speed" parameter?
Our winners plz, tell us how many races your's winner-bobs done (to the moment of making their record laps in competition) and proportions (quantity) of races per level. Especially interested in amount of races between levels from 30 to 40.
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wrxlent, just wondering if you got my pm. Really want to know if you guy used different bobs for each track or if it required one cherry picked one with the rigth stats, and what where they. Anyway congrats to all that won. I'm just glad its over so i can play gt 5 properly.
I qualified 2nd through UK - not by any means fastest - but close - here are my thoughts on the above. Some of the top world wide times might believe something different.
Most of my best times were set with my second gen drivers - all of these were levelled up through 24hr lemans only doing the entire race by themselves in a x2010. This meant they netted 14.8 million exp per race and could be fully levelled up in no time (I think just 3 races + 1 tskuba to finish off).
Personally I don't think the number of races \ stats matter a lot. Any driver can do a good time as long as they are level 40 and you use the right commands.
I found a yellow arrow was significant - all my best times were set with yellow arrow - if i had realised this earlier I could have been quicker - I spent a lot of time using blue arrow drivers early on. In the end I just used which ever driver had a yellow arrow at the time.
I did waste time getting a level 40 driver on max cool to check if it would benefit on some tracks - worst driver by a mile - could not get him past the other cars anywhere near quick enough. even on high-speed ring he would not pass the first car on the first corner!
For me driver stats etc insignificant - most important element was getting the right set of AI cars I spent as much time reloading as I did racing and having had a range of level 40 drivers some with nearly full career bars (but less than 80% so stats not affected) and some barley started I don't believe there was a difference.
As for golds in b spec I had 100% golds all got with the same driver - he was no good for the comp as his stats had started to go down before I could use him at level 40.
Most of my best times were set with my second gen drivers - all of these were levelled up through 24hr lemans only doing the entire race by themselves in a x2010. This meant they netted 14.8 million exp per race and could be fully levelled up in no time (I think just 3 races + 1 tskuba to finish off).
Personally I don't think the number of races \ stats matter a lot. Any driver can do a good time as long as they are level 40 and you use the right commands.
I found a yellow arrow was significant - all my best times were set with yellow arrow - if i had realised this earlier I could have been quicker - I spent a lot of time using blue arrow drivers early on. In the end I just used which ever driver had a yellow arrow at the time.
I did waste time getting a level 40 driver on max cool to check if it would benefit on some tracks - worst driver by a mile - could not get him past the other cars anywhere near quick enough. even on high-speed ring he would not pass the first car on the first corner!
For me driver stats etc insignificant - most important element was getting the right set of AI cars I spent as much time reloading as I did racing and having had a range of level 40 drivers some with nearly full career bars (but less than 80% so stats not affected) and some barley started I don't believe there was a difference.
As for golds in b spec I had 100% golds all got with the same driver - he was no good for the comp as his stats had started to go down before I could use him at level 40.
Dude, I was hoping that my time would have been remained as a final result...
Hehe, sorry, I could not let that happen, I had to win them all. I had a 12:55:9xx in the making that got aborted by my kid so the 12:57:0xx was just a failsafe with a worse AI since I did not manage to recreate the run.
Glad to see you made the way to the forum and sorry you did not enter the contest earlier, would have been fun with some good competition.
as for my bob(s) all my 8 was able to run top 100 worldwide times and regional best on the tracks so I refuse that stats matters much in terms of times, I had a high accuracy stat rest were 90% on my "favorite" bob. All my times were done with a yellow arrow, the overtakes was a lot easier to perform in bad form. my "best" bob was made from tsukuba/le-mans/suzuka endurances. how many races and what races does not matter.
what mattered in the competiton was the Race AI and the abillity to grind away at an AI set to find the optimal route though the fastest AI pack avaliable. Trial and error and very delicate timings, especially the monza starter.
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So you are very lucky man
If i let you try some of my bobs, you never will make any regional top 10..
If you have a bob with a best Indy 58.8xx, with yellow arrow, how can you make 4'55/4'56.xxx ...?
Impossible, for sure.
I have 9 bobs.
Only 2 are able to make top world times.(around 4'55.xxx)
They have a best indy time around 58.3xx
1 is able to make a good time (around 4'56/57)
He have a best in 58.5xx
the rest, 6 bobs, have a best indy between 58.7/58.8xx...
They are able to .. stay at home
Not all of my bobs can overatke the 8C on Indianapolis, between the two firsts left corners...
Just two bobs / 9 bobs
If i let you try my first bob, Leclerc, extremly not nervous, with 58.7xx indy best, and unable to overtake 8C, you never make any regional top under 4'57 for sure..
I agree with you one one point : high stats doesn't mind that a bob is quick.
One of my two quick bobs had very bad stats at level 0..
But when i tried him on indy, he make's me best run at level 6, lap 4 in 58.390..
, without any physic and moral... Incredible..
too many difference between all players stats..
Nothing to understand..
well, I ran a 4:56:3xx without overtaking the 8c in corner 2 so don't be to confident on that
I figured out that overtake very late in the competition but the 4.55 times came very easy after I did
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I say without overtake 8C and 58.7xx...well, I ran a 4:56:3xx without overtaking the 8c in corner 2 so don't be to confident on that
I figured out that overtake very late in the competition but the 4.55 times came very easy after I did
You always say that all bobs can make very good time.. and every one can make very good time..
I can't let you say that..
If i had only raced with my 2 first bobs, i never had world record on Indy and HSR..
It's depends bob's quality, and session IA, and orders you give..
All golds, in about 4 days, because I didn't spend all of my time on licenses.
My bob had extremely good stats. 100% Accuracy, 98% Cornering, 95% Braking, but I couldn't get top 10 worldwide on more than 1 track because the fact your commands really influence the AI, and that yellow arrows are best didn't really sink in until it was too late. He was made by mostly all Lemans 24hr, with maybe a couple of Tsukuba 9hr.
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- Stig-FD3S
I experimented a little with the creation of bobs, from what I can tell:
1. Having the best (highest accuracy, highest braking, highest cornering) when you create your bob does not mean you will have the highest stats once your bob is 40.
2. Ammount of races/wins means nothing.
3. Arrows do not seem to make a different to stat growth.
There is a possibility that the amount of corners/braking etc that your bob does influences your stats (i.e. my 5 late bobs were created by 24 nurburgring and tsukuba - both with a fair amount of corners/braking points overall) However, an early bob I had did a lot of indy oval, and still came out with good stats, so I don't believe that's the case.
Personally I think that the initial stats of a bob decide what his level 40 stats will be, but those level 1 stats are most definitely not the highest overall, which makes it a little difficult to work out and confusing.
My bob for my records was the same as WRXLENT, about 100% accuracy, 98% cornering and 95% braking.
1. Having the best (highest accuracy, highest braking, highest cornering) when you create your bob does not mean you will have the highest stats once your bob is 40.
2. Ammount of races/wins means nothing.
3. Arrows do not seem to make a different to stat growth.
There is a possibility that the amount of corners/braking etc that your bob does influences your stats (i.e. my 5 late bobs were created by 24 nurburgring and tsukuba - both with a fair amount of corners/braking points overall) However, an early bob I had did a lot of indy oval, and still came out with good stats, so I don't believe that's the case.
Personally I think that the initial stats of a bob decide what his level 40 stats will be, but those level 1 stats are most definitely not the highest overall, which makes it a little difficult to work out and confusing.
My bob for my records was the same as WRXLENT, about 100% accuracy, 98% cornering and 95% braking.
I say without overtake 8C and 58.7xx...
You always say that all bobs can make very good time.. and every one can make very good time..
I can't let you say that..
If i had only raced with my 2 first bobs, i never had world record on Indy and HSR..
It's depends bob's quality, and session IA, and orders you give..
My best time on indy was a 4.56.5. That was without overtaking the alfa in the second corner. It in fact could have been a lot faster. I was first before the end of lap 2 but always lost time getting past ford GT.. There after my bob ran 58.5XX, sometimes lower..
and it was not with my best bob. I also figured out things a little too late.
Anyway I am really happy a south african made it through.
Treat him nice and don't laugh at his accent =)
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You can't have a 100% accuracy bob can you? The highest accuracy that any of my bobs had was just under 100% (so maybe around 99.5%?). The rest of them were hovering around the 98% mark for accuracy.
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Ionah, I started to train my drivers since 4th January, I had a very little time as you can see, level 40 I obtained 27th and then I joined the online gaming. I had two drivers with polish surnames ( brothers
), maybe this is a clue?
My drivers:
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and here is a video from Indianapolis track (+commands)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9XYIBG_xpk
and extra photos from my tournament room
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Congrats to all that won!
), maybe this is a clue? My drivers:
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and here is a video from Indianapolis track (+commands)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9XYIBG_xpk
and extra photos from my tournament room
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DSC_1396
DSC_1379
Congrats to all that won!
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Some of the winners have mentioned their bobs were 100% accuracy 98% cornering 95% braking. But what about their heat level? What type of driver were they?
For example 0 being dead in the middle and -50 being fully cool and 50 being fully hot.
If someone witha wining entry is up for it it would be intresting to see a pic of their stats, not the general one but the full one with corerning braking etc.
For example 0 being dead in the middle and -50 being fully cool and 50 being fully hot.
If someone witha wining entry is up for it it would be intresting to see a pic of their stats, not the general one but the full one with corerning braking etc.
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Sorry about that, I had to go through all the online boards and try and get all the data of the top guys. I'll update it when I get home.
For the moment, here's a very interesting but long write up by MatrixJr
http://www.gt5rs.com/post209551.html#p209551
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Thanks for reminding us not to ask for another b-spec competition 👍
If they hold another prize competition; what type of in-game challenges would most here actually want to take part in?
B-Spec wouldn't have been such a grindfest/lottery if they'd made the competition like this. Otherwise I wouldn't have minded a set of other challenges from the other parts of the game that isn't restricted to out-and-out pace (some drifting and photo mode included maybe?)
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Problem with that is that it turns the competition into truly random.
The fact that you were allowed unlimited tries in this competition meant that the randomness was severely reduced, in a knockout style, luck is a huge factor.
I don't know, for me, i think b-spec was the fairest way to compete. A-spec, just look at GT-academy, there's many exploits people can do, and it's not a case of who is the best driver, it's a case of who best knows the video-game and who can best play the video-game, not drive.
Bspec was good because it was simple; pace down, maintain, pace up, overtake. No possibilities for cheating or exploiting.
The fact that you were allowed unlimited tries in this competition meant that the randomness was severely reduced, in a knockout style, luck is a huge factor.
I don't know, for me, i think b-spec was the fairest way to compete. A-spec, just look at GT-academy, there's many exploits people can do, and it's not a case of who is the best driver, it's a case of who best knows the video-game and who can best play the video-game, not drive.
Bspec was good because it was simple; pace down, maintain, pace up, overtake. No possibilities for cheating or exploiting.
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It would've been quite good and interesting if they did a championship style competition like I mentioned here i.m.o. because it would've been like race directing in real time. Sure it might increase the luck factor involved but it's all the same with discovering the right set of commands to alter how other A.I. drivers react. Besides, team bosses and engineers can't quit into the GT Life menu in the middle of the race can they?
Not taking anything away from the regional winners who put in the time and effort to get the times they achieved but I just liked the idea of having a B-Spec race weekend regularly during the competition period; racing bobs that you've trained during the week against other players online and the best real-time race director(s) will hopefully, in the end, have the highest points from the B-Spec championship (and get the ticket/s to Germany).
GT Academy U.S.A. on the other hand shows how underdeveloped the A-Spec portion of GT5 is also. The penalty system for going on the grass was very inconsistent with how it's governed in real life from what I've read (they had the issue as well on their first stage but it wasn't as severe as what we saw they did on Indy recently).
This will probably take us to the point that IF they included A-Spec based challenges in the signature edition competition who knows if exploits like the ones from GT Academy U.S.A. would've surfaced.
On a side note the GT Academy 2010 Time Trial competition they had last year went by with very little incident (I think the only thing some competitors had issues with was the section where more of the outlined circuit was being used i.e. - the white paint line that signified the boundary of the track was being crossed. Not too much of an issue I don't think because Formula 1 drivers cross those lines themselves!)
So basically to summarise what I just wrote:
- A-Spec = good but incomplete
- B-Spec = good idea
- GT5 = still a work in progress
- GT5 + S.E. Comp (in B-Spec) = good idea but first stage of S.E. Comp could've been executed better + part of GT5 marketing campaign to showcase the other mode of the game and the luxury value of the GT brand?
- In theory [GT5 + S.E. Comp (in A-Spec + B-Spec + Other) = might have some issues due to A-Spec's incompletion. Would have involved players more in "The Real Driving Simulator" though.]
I hope that made a bit of sense lol. I tried to cover all points in one go and kinda got difficult to put them all together in the end!
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