So did Forza 6 bomb in sales?

[McLaren]

Uhm, no, the leaderboard I'm looking at is the first track in the first career series, not rivals events.But yeah, maybe we should wait a bit more. Just feels like the community for this game is already half dead.

That's not what you originally said.

Looking at some of the first leaderboards in the career/rivals

Now we've gone from bombing in sales to the community that is there being half dead? Thread remains silly.

 

[SimTourist]

That's not what you originally said.


Now we've gone from bombing in sales to the community that is there being half dead? Thread remains silly.

Fair enough, just don't go crying if T10 goes belly up after this.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Fair enough, just don't go crying if T10 goes belly up after this.

It's almost if you want it to fail, based on a pre-mature jump that you alone made, and now instead of saying "hey I think I called it too quick and made a gaffe, sorry guys" you instead want to move the goal post. More people than you (so more than one) have actually come forth and disputed what you've seen and done, so only proving there is a vast pool of players that perhaps just don't want to get on board with what you started with.

Though I must commend you for not stooping so low to try and use vgchartz to back up your claim.

 

[McLaren]

Fair enough, just don't go crying if T10 goes belly up after this.

Turn10 is going to go belly up because there's no sales figures after 2 weeks of being released?

You should ask the mods to close this thread.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Fair enough, just don't go crying if T10 goes belly up after this.

Think it will take a while for that to happen as after all they were setup to take on Playstation's biggest franchise and seems like they always had the most development resources go into the Forza franchise than any other first party Microsoft game. Don't know if they ever made a profit from any of the Forza games as it appears to me to be a subsidised game due to the sales it gets and development resources that go into it. What will be of more concern is the Xbox future as they could potentially now have three console generations where they lost a lot of money on each one.

 

[SimTourist]

Think it will take a while for that to happen as after all they were setup to take on Playstation's biggest franchise and seems like they always had the most development resources go into the Forza franchise than any other first party Microsoft game. Don't know if they ever made a profit from any of the Forza games as it appears to me to be a subsidised game due to the sales it gets and development resources that go into it. What will be of more concern is the Xbox future as they could potentially now have three console generations where they lost a lot of money on each one.

Well, 10 years later and Forza still has a tiny fraction of GTs mindshare or sales. Seems like wasted effort at this point and MS is not exactly known for keeping underperforming franchises afloat.

 

[McLaren]

Well, 10 years later and Forza still has a tiny fraction of GTs mindshare or sales. Seems like wasted effort at this point and MS is not exactly known for keeping underperforming franchises afloat.

Yes, the series has performed so badly, that Microsoft actually allowed the franchise to split into 2 different series within' it....

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well, 10 years later and Forza still has a tiny fraction of GTs mindshare or sales. Seems like wasted effort at this point and MS is not exactly known for keeping underperforming franchises afloat.

Can you please, do us all a favor and actually put hard figures to this rather than your doomsday Nostradamus prophecy at play. I mean you compare a franchise that started and had 4 games to the single FM game back in 2005...how is this even comparable. Are you going to compared GT4-6 to FM1-6? Because in reality that only seems like the actual justifiable way of validating what you've said.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Well, 10 years later and Forza still has a tiny fraction of GTs mindshare or sales. Seems like wasted effort at this point and MS is not exactly known for keeping underperforming franchises afloat.

This one they seem most invested in, one of their few firsty party franchises and probably help Xbox Hardware and software team to shape Xbox and ones to showcase the platform and take on Sony's biggest exclusive. For them reasons, I think more chance of Xbox going before the developers of Forza going belly up. Also it is not like Microsoft are short of money, they can have a bit of fun with the Xbox division.

 

[FerrariF1GT]

I think that the low sales is because of the typical modern gamer's turn to games that get lots of media and public hype (and hate) such as CoD, Destiny, GTA, Uncharted, Halo, and maybe even MGS or Fallout if I can count more recent trendy games. Low sales for a racing game shouldn't be that big of a deal.

In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if racing games in general will become irrelevant in five years, now that the the revival of racing games, or GT, is doing worse than usual.

 

[SimTourist]

Can you please, do us all a favor and actually put hard figures to this rather than your doomsday Nostradamus prophecy at play. I mean you compare a franchise that started and had 4 games to the single FM game back in 2005...how is this even comparable. Are you going to compared GT4-6 to FM1-6? Because in reality that only seems like the actual justifiable way of validating what you've said.

Hard figure is that GT5 sold more than all forza games combined in 10 years.

 

[Northstar]

Hard figure is that GT5 sold more than all forza games combined in 10 years.

What hard figures? Because even with the varying numbers I've been able to find, the 360 titles alone surpass GT5...

 

[ClydeYellow]

Do career events post times at all now? I know mods disable times, but you never seem to get an exclamation mark next to your time in career races. Could be that no career times are recorded on the leaderboards?

It seems to me that they don't. In many tracks where I had raced I don't have a LB time posted.

That would explain the low numbers of LB times.

 

[Fat Tyre]

But then Forza also sells car passes, VIP memberships and expansion packs. They might be happy to have fewer loyal customers who shell out more money than normal gamers. I mean I spent $150 AUD on this game alone, when checking out the leaderboards I see a lot of people with the VIP badge as well. On Forza 5 I got the game for free but I still spent about 80 bucks with DLC's and stuff. Same with Horizon 2, I didn't get the car pass but I did get the VIP thing and Storm Island. I don't want to even do the math, my wife would kill me if she'd find out how much I spent on three games.

 

[chromatic9]

If you're trying to estimate sales performance without any actual data, then yes, a fair comparison is of the utmost importance.

It reminds me of a poll I saw gauging the number of people in each age range that owned a particular car. Everyone was shocked that the 45+ age range (no cap) had the highest ownership levels, despite the fact that all other age ranges were in 10 year increments. They tried to come up with all of these asinine explanations that didn't matter.

Flawed comparisons tell you nothing.

Not sure what you're on about there.

Lower numbers are lower numbers, insert your reasons here it doesn't matter. I gave some data and already explained it's just the launch compared to recent titles. Who knows how it's selling elsewhere or how well it will pick up I already said I feel it will.

I'm certainly not in the camp that it's bombed or failing, just giving some data about the UK launch and a possible reason some are noticng less players, a fair comparison doesn't come into it. Someone posted a link that its selling well because it's 2nd in the UK, I gave some actual data as second place in a chart whether its games music whatever doesn't mean it's selling well.

Anyway, even it drops off in sales a bit or takes a while to get going, it's still an important game, a great pack in. I doubt it's in trouble.

Another point is while we're missing around 50k of UK people at launch to previous titles, mainland Europe is a lot of ground lost for XBO so Forza 6 players might be missing some French, Spanish, German and Italian fans who are yet to buy the console.

Finally, if Horizon has had an effect, they still sell a large amount of games each year when you add it up over 5 years.

 

[McLaren]

Hard figure is that GT5 sold more than all forza games combined in 10 years.

GT5 sold just over 10 million copies, where as Forza 1-3 had sold just under 10 million. In 2010. Today, they roughly equal out to 10.6 million.


You must be just trollin' now, son.

 

[imported_skidmark]

Fair enough, just don't go crying if T10 goes belly up after this.

You obviously have it out for Turn10.. Just so you know,they ain't going anywhere any time soon.
I'd bet my life on it. Forza games never sell silly amounts.. But they have one Forza game a year compared to every 3-5 years for GT most recent forzas have sold 1-2 million but there more titles and car pack etc.. Polyphony are the ones with something to prove to keep thete heads above water.

 

[super_gt]

I wonder what will happen to Forza after Assetto Corsa release next year.

 

[UKMikey]

This thread unsurprisingly seems to have brought the Forza faithful out in droves.

It seems to me that they don't. In many tracks where I had raced I don't have a LB time posted.

That would explain the low numbers of LB times.

The same has happened to me. I'm currently playing the first two chapters and a couple of the series I played are in the same PI class. That means that between them only the faster car will make it onto the Leaderboard.

And @super_gt whether Assetto Corsa will take over Forza's market share depends on how accessible it is compared to Forza and whether Xbox owners will be so much into AC that they won't want to buy both games. Personally I'd be surprised if it made much of a dent. I'd like to see the comparative sales numbers for Forza games versus Project CARS as well.

 

[nocturnalgrey]

I am not sure if the sales of FM6 are anything to write home about, but if the game was lighting the charts on fire, MS and Turn 10 would surely broadcast the "records".

Personally speaking, I am still holding off on buying the game. The lack of dynamic time and weather is huge deal to me, and the demo did little to convince me of a purchase.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

This thread unsurprisingly seems to have brought the rational thinkers out in droves.

Fixed that for you

 

[bremics]

The number I posted this morning of how many players had ran that first race was 539,434. It is now up to 552,873 so that means in the last 13 hours a little over 13,000 new players had started playing the game or at least playing under a gamer tag that had not yet played.

It is also a bad idea to read to much into the number of people who play career mode as many have no interest in career mode at all.

So it's more than half way to platinum in two weeks?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

So it's more than half way to platinum in two weeks?

Looks that way, of course those numbers are not an actual indicator of sales. Some of those are second gamer tags for the same person or another user playing on the same XBox so the sales are a little lower than what is reflected by that stat. Of course there could be some playing offline also and not posting to that leaderboard, assuming that is possible in FM6.

 

[skazz]

The first race with the Ford GT around Rio is in the demo, yes?
If so, your data set is purely demo+full game owners

 

[TokoTurismo]

And @super_gt whether Assetto Corsa will take over Forza's market share depends on how accessible it is compared to Forza and whether Xbox owners will be so much into AC that they won't want to buy both games. Personally I'd be surprised if it made much of a dent. I'd like to see the comparative sales numbers for Forza games versus Project CARS as well.

The car list. Don't forget about the car list.

It seems nowadays racing games need a big list of favorable cars and a lot of customization. I don't think AC has that since, like pCARS, is a racing sim.

 

[bremics]

The first race with the Ford GT around Rio is in the demo, yes?
If so, your data set is purely demo+full game owners

Does the demo and actual game share leaderboards?

 

[skazz]

The car list. Don't forget about the car list.

It seems nowadays racing games need a big list of favorable cars and a lot of customization. I don't think AC has that since, like pCARS, is a racing sim.

AC is intending/hoping to hit 100 licensed cars by console launch. Probably around half or more will be road cars, including stuff like the McLaren P1 and Ferrari LaFerrari, which are already in the game on PC. Licenses already announced include the big boys such as Lamborghini, Ferrari, Pagani, BMW, Mercedes, Audi and McLaren. Plus Nissan, Toyota, RUF and Lotus.

Will it be enough to cause huge sales? Of course not. But it won't need to make excuses of itself and those of us who play it on PC know just how much uniqueness they put into each car (up to and including the noise the suspension makes when it squeaks in each car), so those 100 go a long way.

Does the demo and actual game share leaderboards?

They did in Forza 4. Hence me assuming they still do in Forza 6.

 

[ImaRobot]

They did in Forza 4. Hence me assuming they still do in Forza 6.

I don't believe that to be the case this time around as my first entry for the S class Rio is from when I first fired up the game.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

The first race with the Ford GT around Rio is in the demo, yes?
If so, your data set is purely demo+full game owners

Even if that is true it would be mostly the same people, Lime rock in C class is also over 550k people posted a time, was that in the demo also?

I did not play the demo so I do not know what was in it. I got the Forza XB1 bundle so FM6 is the first and only game that has been played on it as of yet.

Edit: Another indicator is the X class on Indy Oval. The game kind of gives you a push there if you have played a few career mode races and wants you to run the showcase event. Not everyone who has played has did this event so far but there are over 400k times posted there already.

 

[ImaRobot]

Edit: Another indicator is the X class on Indy Oval. The game kind of gives you a push there if you have played a few career mode races and wants you to run the showcase event. Not everyone who has played has did this event so far but there are over 400k times posted there already

I myself have not even attempted or opened up that part of the game yet.