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Soft-Body Crash Physics; Yes or No?
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Which is something that wasn't done in RoR. In RoR, the chassis, wheels, even engine were all made from the same thing, and the wheels could brake just as easily as the main chassis. There is a reason the game is seven years old, but is still in version 0.38.xx.
In RoR, if your car/truck/plane/van falls a half a foot, you wheel brakes and you can't drive in a strait line.
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If BeamNG started testing with different metal properties I'm sure it would look different.
They did use glass in rigs of rods though, I guess they're not at the stage of accurately testing with real-world metal properties yet.
It's an interesting topic to watch, who knows, BeamNG may use racing games in the future to test their physics with real-world material properties.
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Seven years in. While they are still working on it, it will be a while before anything that new is introduced. As of now, we are still stuck with the 350Z Roadster not being a roadster, and the Ford Mustang GT accelerating madly when you open the hood.
IF this was in GT6, they would need a decade to get it right, and then another 8 years to build the engine and model the cars, unless you want 5 cars.
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Given this sort of thing is basically a very low res, unvalidated form of the Finite Element Method applied in real time, it could very well be made to be close to realistic.
This particular system is very clever by abstracting the underlying physics into a much simpler model of springs and masses (i.e. rods) as the individual Elements. An extension of FEM that allows for fracturing is AEM (cool video), except it takes some doing to cause separation of the "rods" in RoR.
EDIT: The age of the system is irrelevant; it was originally conceived as a toy and was a one-man operation for most of that time.
This particular system is very clever by abstracting the underlying physics into a much simpler model of springs and masses (i.e. rods) as the individual Elements. An extension of FEM that allows for fracturing is AEM (cool video), except it takes some doing to cause separation of the "rods" in RoR.
EDIT: The age of the system is irrelevant; it was originally conceived as a toy and was a one-man operation for most of that time.
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It's a very interesting appliance of science and technology. If it were to be properly included in Gran Turismo I would certainy be impressed.
Some people are complaining that crashing would destroy your car, erm if you crash in real life would you not do the same?
Some people are complaining that crashing would destroy your car, erm if you crash in real life would you not do the same?
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1. It would in some cases increase fun.
2. It would make racing a bit more challenging.
3. It would be an amazing appliance of science and technology to integrate into a Gran Turismo title.
4. Once integrated, PD could use such a system as a USP for whichever title it is integrated into.
5. It would deter online rammers (extent unknown)
Inversely;
1. Each vehicle would need to be re-modelled
2. Hardware limitations could be a key restricting factor for the ps3 (ps4 unknown)
3. Time taken to integrate such a system, coming from PD would be ages.
If it could be done then yes I would want to see it, if not then they need to make big improvements to the damage system.
2. It would make racing a bit more challenging.
3. It would be an amazing appliance of science and technology to integrate into a Gran Turismo title.
4. Once integrated, PD could use such a system as a USP for whichever title it is integrated into.
5. It would deter online rammers (extent unknown)
Inversely;
1. Each vehicle would need to be re-modelled
2. Hardware limitations could be a key restricting factor for the ps3 (ps4 unknown)
3. Time taken to integrate such a system, coming from PD would be ages.
If it could be done then yes I would want to see it, if not then they need to make big improvements to the damage system.
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I think this is possible in GT6. But question is if PD want to use the engine and pay for it? Tracks are already done. Cars are modelled. Only thing is give them materialproperties.
The engine handles the rest. It was the same with destryable enviroments...possible in PS3 (Battlefield) but not as high-res as on a pc.
But in the end, i think there should be a company that only models cars for gamemakers.
They would specialize in making realistic carmodels with real attributes. gamemakers would buy theese cars and we would have same carspecs in all games. Car-makers could contribute to make the models as accurate as possible. Carmakers should be glad to, having real physics in all games that the car is in. after a while there is gonna be a good database of cars. Gamemakers could focus more on gamemechanics.
If the cars are standarized perhaps people can buy cars directly from this company whatever game they actually play as long as they use the "standarized" system. Easy for all and we would get new cars faster.
The engine handles the rest. It was the same with destryable enviroments...possible in PS3 (Battlefield) but not as high-res as on a pc.
But in the end, i think there should be a company that only models cars for gamemakers.
They would specialize in making realistic carmodels with real attributes. gamemakers would buy theese cars and we would have same carspecs in all games. Car-makers could contribute to make the models as accurate as possible. Carmakers should be glad to, having real physics in all games that the car is in. after a while there is gonna be a good database of cars. Gamemakers could focus more on gamemechanics.
If the cars are standarized perhaps people can buy cars directly from this company whatever game they actually play as long as they use the "standarized" system. Easy for all and we would get new cars faster.
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It doesn't have to be soft body physics but it would be nice if the damage would increase a little bit...apart from the Burnout series, Grid has the best crash physics of any racing game I've played. Speaking of which, Grid 2 is on its way 
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Didn't Kaz say at some point GT is a celebration of automotive passion, and that he had no interest in destroying cars in game?
I seem to recall this a few years back probably buried deep in the GT4 forum.
And how many Chevy trucks were destroyed in the making of that video.
I however, would be an avid supporter. More damage, more realism.
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One thing people seem to forget here (except for the fact that manufacturers wouldn't allow it) is this: what about the driver? If you have a system based on realistic material properties that allows the car to be basically reduced to pieces the driver would have to go somewhere, right?
Let's say you crash at 300 km/h with realistic crash physics. If they simply don't touch the driver's animation the guy would probably clip through all the bent metal and thus look awkward and unrealistic, but if they make the driver react to the crash or even fall out of the car it could look gruesome and would probably change the way GT is rated and maybe some will even call it violent. IMO, it's another point worth considering.
Let's say you crash at 300 km/h with realistic crash physics. If they simply don't touch the driver's animation the guy would probably clip through all the bent metal and thus look awkward and unrealistic, but if they make the driver react to the crash or even fall out of the car it could look gruesome and would probably change the way GT is rated and maybe some will even call it violent. IMO, it's another point worth considering.
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It's not like PD will ever manage to achieve that level of damage.
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It's not like PD will ever manage to achieve that level of damage.
Of course they won't, I was just adding another reason (of many) why this technology doesn't make sense for GT.
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Doesn't mean visual damage (and mechanical damage) can't be improved. Just look at some iRacing crashes on YouTube.
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