(Spin) Problem Handling Cars list

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I've only found the Corvette Stingray Race car concept (the convertible thing) and the KTM X-Bow hard to drive.


...But that's because I've adjusted to braking too late (the Corvette has terrible brakes and the X-Bow spins after heavy braking)


So, it's the driver's fault. I actually loved driving the Stratos... The comments "it handles like a rally car" were common thoughts while I was driving it.


There's nothing wrong with the cars I've driven except for the "racing" brakes on the Corvette. Otherwise, there are no problems with anything except for drivers who can easily toggle on TCS.
 
To those speaking of the Diablo Gt2. Undriveable? Blasphemy. Initially it was a bit difficult, especially with the sports hards it came with. But after about 5 miles I got the hang of it and it's pretty easy to drive. Great car.

Ferrari458Italia
The only car I have trouble driving is the Lancia Stratos. rest are fine imo.
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Short wheel bases are killers!
 
Gerarghini
You honestly can not tell me the Diablo GT2 isn't broken. That thing spins on every single opportunity it gets, even with TCS on. Granted I did drive it with Racing Hards but should that mean more grip than the Sport Hards it came with? I don't consider myself a good or bad driver but come on, I'm taking the corners slower than a Prius in this thing and it still spins.
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The Diablo gt2 is not broken. This car is a lot like an old f1 car in the sense that its massive park bench wing only helps when you are at speed. Cornering at the speed of a prius is exactly why you are having issues. Learn the car and change your driving style to suit it, or tune it to suit your driving style.
 
Downhill Dino
To those speaking of the Diablo Gt2. Undriveable? Blasphemy. Initially it was a bit difficult, especially with the sports hards it came with. But after about 5 miles I got the hang of it and it's pretty easy to drive. Great car.



Short wheel bases are killers!
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I thought short wheel base was good/driveable though? like Mini Coopers handle so well because they're short wheel base.
but maybe short wheel base + FR = killer??
 
I've had pretty good luck tuning the Yellowbird, NSX-R, and a couple other rear biased cars to drive great. Then I tried the Stratos to see what everyone was talking about. Holy hell, on the Nordschleife simply driving over a mildly bumpy section will put it into the wall with no driver input. Spent an hour using every tuning trick I know of to stabilize it with no real success. Reading up on the car, I found it left the factory on non-staggered tires, which explains a lot but not this level of straight line instability. Personally, I'm not a fan of using ballast or different tire types to balance out a car, but at this point I might have to.
 
@Ferrari458Italia Yes, however the MINI is front wheel drive so of course not all characteristics are shared. But as an example, the Peugeot 205 had a short wheel base that allowed it to corner better then the other rally cars giving it the championship win. Same with the Stratos. But of course that is only one of many reasons why they were such successful cars.

Short wheelbases are good, however, they are slippery when they're mid-engines or rear-engines due to the weight transfer when taking those tight corners, or simply because they can make sharp corners.

It's not so much throttle control as it is steering control. :)
 
Downhill Dino
@Ferrari458Italia Yes, however the MINI is front wheel drive so of course not all characteristics are shared. But as an example, the Peugeot 205 had a short wheel base that allowed it to corner better then the other rally cars giving it the championship win. Same with the Stratos. But of course that is only one of many reasons why they were such successful cars.

Short wheelbases are good, however, they are slippery when they're mid-engines or rear-engines due to the weight transfer when taking those tight corners, or simply because they can make sharp corners.

It's not so much throttle control as it is steering control. :)
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wait the stratos is a rear/mid engine? I thought it was front. I see it completely makes sense now haha my bad
 
The Diablo GT2 is a wonderful car. It WILL FORCE YOU to be the beat driver AND tuner you can be. When I first drove the car in the first IA series race I had the same reaction to some people complaining about it's handling. If your natural instinct to that handling wasn't " I can tune this to make it work" then you're doing it wrong. I put a great setup I use specifically for MR cars ( PM me if you'd like it ) and it handled remarkably. One thing is for sure: this car requires you to work and develop with it. It's not going to come with you just lile that.
 
timekiller001
Yep. It's undrivable. Going in the corner with 50 km/h will still make it spin without using the throttle in that moment. There's just no way to drive this thing fast.
The Cizeta is an angel compared to the Diablo GT2.
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And don't forget about the Ford Shelby GT500... It spins for no reason. :mad:

But anyway, this is just day-1 and we still have to adapt ourselves to the new phisics and carry on, right?
 
There is something wrong with the griplevel in the back for som cars.
I think its cars with much wider tires in the back, its just not in the calculations that those tires are wider and have more grip.

Compare the miura with the f40:
Miura has skinny tires all around and does not have strange handling. its very tailhappy and you need to learn to drive it, but it behaves in a manner that it should.
the f40 should have fat grip in the back but doesnt and swings around on you in a way and in low speeds that the miura eases through!
And its the muira that is the one with crazy handling in real life, because of the engine being in the wrong direction from left to right.
So something is very wrong. And no its not the power or brakecontrol o leftfot braking, how many production cars have been made were leftfot braking is standard driving procedure?
Non, of course.

And pleeeeaaase stop with the " you cant drive" ******** in this thread! We can all drive these "broken" cars, me myself have had a great time with the stratos! But that doesnt mean you should just kick logic out of the window and think a car should try to kill you in every turn.

I managed to totally get rid of the problem the f40 suffers from with the use of different tires back and front. And its now fun as hell!

Is say to sony, check the griplevel in the back of these cars, there is something strange.
 
Vagabond
Well, if anyone wants a look, here's the Diablo GT2 going fast on S1 tyres:

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I've not driven this car yet, watching your video I don't understand the problem. You're throwing it around like a rag doll and it still isn't spinning, have you modified this or are people making a load of fuss about nothing?
 
Bigbazz
I've not driven this car yet, watching your video I don't understand the problem. You're throwing it around like a rag doll and it still isn't spinning, have you modified this or are people making a load of fuss about nothing?
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Weight reduction stage 1, ballast 169kg (brings it back up to full weight), then set ballast position to -25. That's it... its on S1 tyres, no aids except ABS 1. Clearly I don't see the problem either - it was loads of fun.
 
Sydbom
And pleeeeaaase stop with the " you cant drive" ******** in this thread! We can all drive these "broken" cars, me myself have had a great time with the stratos! But that doesnt mean you should just kick logic out of the window and think a car should try to kill you in every turn
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But isn't that what the real life versions of some cars do? :P Many cars have been known to try to kill the passengers. Classic cars do this a lot.
 
Vagabond
Weight reduction stage 1, ballast 169kg (brings it back up to full weight), then set ballast position to -25. That's it... its on S1 tyres, no aids except ABS 1. Clearly I don't see the problem either - it was loads of fun.
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So there's no problem as long as you put hundreds of pounds of lead in the nose? If there was actually nothing wrong with the handling, you wouldn't need ballast, so this video really doesn't really prove anything.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
This thread is a joke. These cars aren't broken. Just did a Nurburging session with LVracerGT driving the Diablo, it ran a 7:10 on the 2nd lap, with mistakes. Learn to drive the car, before claiming it's broken. Goes to show how ready the average member of the GT community is for more realistic physics.
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It was the Diablo GT street version, completely stock on stock tires (sport hards). Only drivers aid was ABS set to 1. Ran a 7:10.074 around the Nordschleife with a couple mistakes. There was easily a couple more seconds in that time. The cars are not broken people. Like I said earlier, welcome to real simulation physics gents.
 
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for the people who camplain about the handling, are you using DS3 ? i juat want to know since i'll be using DS3 (cant afford a wheel, financially broke as a college student).
 
Okay, can we please separate fantasy (such a car should handle perfectly) from fact?


Fact: a car will be harder to drive with stiff suspension and roll bars.

Fantasy: an F40 should handle perfectly because it's got wide tires.

In a fantasy/perfect world, yes... But there's more going on behind the scenes than just tire sizes.


Yeah. It doesn't depend on the car itself... Not necessarily... Sometimes it's the driver, sometimes it's the tuning setup, and sometimes it's just the track conditions.


If anyone wants advice on a tuning setup for a specific car or general advice, feel free to PM me. I'll help.
 
After seeing these forums over the last week or so I've come to a conclusion of the issue.

Too many novice/clueless drivers and casual players thinking that they are Ayrton Senna. You have the guys who have spent years playing sims who have no issues driving the cars, the regulars around here. And then you have the hordes of clueless novices who just expect to be able to drive every car, and when they cannot the issue is the game.

If you're playing with a gamepad then that is too bad, reality is that unless you're amazing you're not going to be able to drive every car. This is a simulator, if you can't drive it that doesn't mean it's broken.

Yes there are some questionable cars, but almost every single complaint here is made by people who just don't have the skills, knowledge or experience to drive these cars. The NASCAR guy above is a perfect example. If you think GT6 Stock Cars are tough to race then you should try iRacing.
 
Bigbazz
After seeing these forums over the last week or so I've come to a conclusion of the issue.

Too many novice/clueless drivers and casual players thinking that they are Ayrton Senna. You have the guys who have spent years playing sims who have no issues driving the cars, the regulars around here. And then you have the hordes of clueless novices who just expect to be able to drive every car, and when they cannot the issue is the game.

If you're playing with a gamepad then that is too bad, reality is that unless you're amazing you're not going to be able to drive every car. This is a simulator, if you can't drive it that doesn't mean it's broken.

Yes there are some questionable cars, but almost every single complaint here is made by people who just don't have the skills, knowledge or experience to drive these cars. The NASCAR guy above is a perfect example. If you think GT6 Stock Cars are tough to race then you should try iRacing.
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And with that said- discussion closed. You win.
 
There is no such thing as an undriveable car in GT6. If you are patient and learn its characteristics, any car can be driven. The Stratos is very fun and I used to be a detractor of it, but I adapted to how it handles and I love the feel on it. The X2010 at Goodwood was a nightmare but I adapted to that as well.
 
I'm surprised to see the cars people are saying are hard to drive:

-Lancia?

I love it! It handles like a well-tuned rally car... Because it is. The Stratos is one of my favourite MR cars.

X2010:

Think fast. Literally. Slow down time. Focus. You can do it. Don't let the speed get the best of you. It's still the same track. Getting around the same track requires the same performance.

NASCAR:

I can't think of a car that's more predictable (in GT5/GT6) than the NASCARs. That's the main reason I don't drive it... It's boring.
 

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