SRT Tomahawk X VGT Super Lap: Nürburgring Nordschleife

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3:38:781 Officially enter the land of the Aliens. Yeehaw. Not fast enough to win a poster but good enough for 3rd in North America so far. 51st in world. I am one happy dude.

* Canadians not eligible for poster contest anyway. Only U.S citizens.

Now at 3:37.284 for 2nd N.A and 45 world and I have 3 more alloted clean laps :)
 
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Has there been any discussion on what material the tires of the SRT Tomahawk X are made out of? We've all seen those behind the scenes photos with SRT employees showing off features of the car. I wonder if anyone happened to ask the SRT engineers how all of that horsepower is supposed to get to the ground and accelerate the car 0-200 MPH in the blink of an eye. That's a heck of a lot of torque and horsepower coming out of those wheels. I would expect the wheels to just spin and spin when floored. But not this magic car! :rolleyes:
 
Jordan
Remember, there's actually two posters signed by Kazunori Yamauchi... :P
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I wasn't referring to either of the posters signed by Kazunori-San because I know I'll never get one. :lol:

I'd be lucky if I got in the top ten! :P
 
Down to a 5'14" after changing ABS to '1'. Gold is within reach, but no way I can get the poster prize. I saw the current #1 replay in the world and that's simply insanity. How anyone can see what they're doing with all of the camera shake in 'Normal' cam is beyond me.
 
Again a hated car! Why do these morons keep making unrealistic cars that (A) Could never be built (B) If they got close to building it one split second mistake would cost a life!

If I wanted to play some sort of "Fighter Pilot" game..... I play GT because I enjoy driving real cars! I "did" like the SRT badge, was even considering the Challenger. Not anymore, after the anger this POS car has induced! The Stingray is now calling my name!

Hmmm, wonder why I stopped drinking Red Bull?
 
Whalengt
Aren't you top ten for the U.S.A?
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I dunno. I'll have to check. I do expect more people to go for it now that there's the competition, and I don't know how much I can improve my time.
 
GTRacer22
Eh, it'll change. :lol: Thanks for checking, though. :)
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If it helps ( and I hope it does) just drive it like your having a blast every corner. Once you stop worrying about getting to the end your times will start dropping. This morning I was starting to get anxious when I realized I was enjoying driving the beast. My times started to fall. I know for a fact I can find another 5 seconds as I did more than a few today that were low 3:30's but I hit the wall the last corner. Now I think I have that figured out so just need to put in the laps.

Normally when it comes to time trials I allow myself up to 10 clean laps but usually stop after I get the gold and that more often than not is the first lap I put down. But this one I am really enjoying so I think I may even go past the ten.

What wheel do you use GTRacer22? I use the G25 and I have it on the fastest setting so it takes very minor movements. Worth a try if your wheel supports it.
 
ccaranna
Down to a 5'14" after changing ABS to '1'. Gold is within reach, but no way I can get the poster prize.
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You might be surprised... I can tell you you'd be getting a poster right now with a 5'14'' if the competition ended tonight. :)
 
ALB123
Has there been any discussion on what material the tires of the SRT Tomahawk X are made out of? We've all seen those behind the scenes photos with SRT employees showing off features of the car. I wonder if anyone happened to ask the SRT engineers how all of that horsepower is supposed to get to the ground and accelerate the car 0-200 MPH in the blink of an eye. That's a heck of a lot of torque and horsepower coming out of those wheels. I would expect the wheels to just spin and spin when floored. But not this magic car! :rolleyes:
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They mention things that haven't been invented yet in the video. Tires must be one of them. :)
With a redline set at 14,500 rpm, the V-10 engine pumps out 2,168 hp (nearly three times the output from the base Tomahawk S) The front wheel drivetrain contributes an additional 422 hp at peak, for total output of 2,590 hp.
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But, nah, it's totally reasonable for 2,168 hp to be put down by the rear wheels. ;)

On a related note, does anyone know what exactly "pneumatically driven front wheels" means? I was rather surprised that it's not supposed to be using hybrid technology. Well, not that surprised, since it's Chrysler, but a little surprised.
 
Pneumatics is the branch of technology dealing with compressed gasses or air. So most likely, the front wheels are driven by compressed air.
 
GTRacer22
Pneumatics is the branch of technology dealing with compressed gasses or air. So most likely, the front wheels are driven by compressed air.
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Yeah, but how? If the air compression is coming from the engine, then wouldn't it be more efficient to just hook it up with a normal, AWD drivetrain?
 
I bet the air compression comes from an external air pump which could be electric driven. So yeah, it's sort of a hybrid. That could explain the battery gauge as well (inside the fuel meter). I bet this pump "regenerates" the two pneumatic cylinders which provide compressed air for both the active aero panels and the front wheels. Oh, and the anti-G suit too...

Anyway, after 20-30 attempts which miserably failed after a minute or two for off-track DQ'ing, I managed a Bronze time, even nearly spinning out twice. This thing is seriously going to kill you, even on RS tires. If you don't want to fly off-track, NEVER use R1 (low downforce mode) if your goal is a Bronze and the prize car - yeah, you'll lose a whole lot of speed on the long straight but whatever. I did most of the lap in 2nd - 3rd gear. Manual is pretty useless on this one, much like on the Red Bulls in my opinion. Once you manage to stay on track the whole lap through, a Bronze is almost certain.
 
Someone might already mentioned this, but turning on Steering Assist to Strong makes a huge difference to drivability. I also put ABS 1, TCS 1 and Auto Transmission. Tried ASM as well but it just slows you down. And oh, do put your FFB to 1/1 to avoid grenading your wheel :lol: Now I normally drive with all aids off including ABS, on Comfort tires for most road cars. I can handle the Tomahawk S and GTS-R without any aids as well. So don't feel like a n00b if you have to resort to aids for this one 👍

I liken it to flying a fighter jet. I've read somewhere that F16s (or was it the F22?) would fall out of the sky if it doesn't have onboard computers helping the pilot fly the plane, because of the inherently unstable aero design (which helps with agility in dogfights). The Tomahawk X is the same. It's so agile to the point of not being controllable at full potential just by a normal person alone. So turn on that Steering Assist and it will make a lot more sense. Don't worry, it's still plenty challenging enough even with assists ;) I reduced my time from 4.25 with no assists to 3.47. Still plenty of improvement possible 👍
 
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RobertM525
Yeah, but how? If the air compression is coming from the engine, then wouldn't it be more efficient to just hook it up with a normal, AWD drivetrain?
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A normal AWD drive train would be heavy and compromise front end packaging. A Pneumatic motor could potential sit within the wheel hub, just with hoses to carry the compressed gas.

From wiki:

"One application for vane-type air motors is to start large industrial diesel or natural gas engines. Stored energy in the form of compressed air, nitrogen or natural gas enters the sealed motor chamber and exerts pressure against the vanes of a rotor. This causes the rotor to turn at high speed. Because the engine flywheel requires a great deal of torque to start the engine, reduction gears are used. Reduction gears create high torque levels with the lower amounts of energy input. These reduction gears allow for sufficient torque to be generated by the engine flywheel while it is engaged by the pinion gear of the air motor or air starter."

This isn't particularly future-tech, we've got small pneumatic motors on some of our equipment because it's easier than using electric ones in some places, I just suspect it's not used to power cars because it's been proven to be impractical...
 
UltimateLurker
I have a challenge for you guys in the top 100.

Post your time with a wheel.
Post your time with the DS3.

I'd really like to see the difference.
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If you're trying to ascertain how much of loss in lap time a controller produces, this isn't a great test of it. People who have a lot of practice with a wheel may not have a lot of practice with a controller, especially not with cars as hard to drive on the Nordschleife as this.

On a related note, when I first got my wheel, I definitely wasn't faster with it than I was with a controller. Practice (and recent practice at that) counts for a lot.
 
RobertM525
If you're trying to ascertain how much of loss in lap time a controller produces, this isn't a great test of it. People who have a lot of practice with a wheel may not have a lot of practice with a controller, especially not with cars as hard to drive on the Nordschleife as this.

On a related note, when I first got my wheel, I definitely wasn't faster with it than I was with a controller. Practice (and recent practice at that) counts for a lot.
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100% agree. I'm just thinking out loud for those that still have both skills. I think the gap is 30+ seconds on this challenge. This car is so hard to control with a DS3, and the race is so long, it must be such a gap.
 
UltimateLurker
This car is so hard to control with a DS3
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It has silly amounts of feedback on the T500 - you go over a bump, the wheel tugs hard one way, you attempt to hold it, and end up nosing in to the barrier 0.26 secs later. IMHO the steering response from the wheel is just not fast enough for a car this skittish on the ring. DS3 obviously allows you to be "faster" with your responses.

It's now been well over a year since I last used the controller properly in GT, so I might well be slower with it though. If I didn't hate driving the X so much I might try it :lol:
 

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