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So if that means no cockpit view for standard cars how come it does not say anything about premium cars having cockpit view? From the context of that whole premium/standard car section it is emphasizing detail exterior/interior. Both section say nothing about cockpit view.
Why does it need to? Common sense will tell you they are supported. You've seen them support it since E3 2009.
Anyway you have your opinion which is cool and i respect that, however let the people who believe we are getting cockpit believe. We are just stating our opinion and agruments,
You guys seem to basing these opinions on purposely mis-constructing the sentence to mean something else.

"Standard cars do not support interior camera views".

I'm honest here. Please, point out in this sentence where it does imply 1 interior may be supported. Again, seriously, please point it out.
"Do you guys pay attention in English? I could see how akira couldn't understand it, but you should understand English grammar enough to see where it does deny cockpits." Are these comments really needed?
It's a simple question. Do you guys? Because my English teachers have always taught me the basic grammar behind these words.
You guys seem to have been taught the same way if you do not contest the other sentences (I've wrote them out before as similar examples). But, now, you somehow know of another meaning behind "do not".

You can also continue to fallback on the "I'm just stating my opinion/argument", but I'm asking for a serious answer.
Where in "Standard cars do not support interior camera views" does it imply that, yes, 1 view is supported. Would it not make that clear?

You guys are continuing to base your opinion on the reason that the sentence does mean there is a camera view, so where in the sentence does it imply that? It has to somewhere for your opinion to form its basis.
Well whenever the information is released there is going to be flaming for no reason. Because with the information we have been given, it does not give a clear defintion and there has been no video proof to support these theory's.
But it does when you break it down grammatically.
The standard cars having blacked-out windows in the video seems to also support the "no cockpit" theory.

Could you please then, show me what is proving the other side?
 
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Do you guys pay attention in English? I could see how akira couldn't understand it, but you should understand English grammar enough to see where it does deny cockpits.

The word "do" means to perform an action.
The word "not" forms a negative when used with an auxiliary verb. "Do" is an auxiliary verb.
The word "support" means to enable to function or act.

Thus, "Standard cars do not enable the function or act of interior camera views". This is a "negative" - consisting in the absence rather than the presence of distinguishing features.

"I do not support the views of Obama."
"Peta does not support the cruelty of animals."
"Standard cars do not support interior camera views."

So, how are some of you finding a part in this last sentence where it means that 1 of the interior views is supported? The sentence doesn't say anything about Photomode. It doesn't say anything about meaning car details. It says an interior view is not enabled in the standard cars.:dunce:

I do not think you understand us. It's not the "do not support" part we don't get. It's the "interior camera views" part we have trouble getting. As we've said before. It's not hard to say "no cockpit view." I mean, if you were writing it and you wanted to say "no cockpit view" would YOU write down "no interior camera view"? I mean, don't that kinda seem like the scenic route; the long way to say it? And don't give me that "lost in translation" BS. It's SONY. A Japanese company. You'd think that a Japanese company would have someone who could accurately translate Japanese into English. That phrase though, looks about as good as when we all ran it through online translators.

The other thing that at least bugs me is that when Kaz or Chris were asked about Standard car interiors, they danced around the question and never talked directly about standard car interiors at all. Kaz talked about Premium car interiors but made no mention of Standard cars. You would think that if standard cars simply had no interiors, Kaz or Chris would have just said so when they were asked.
 
Why does it need to? Common sense will tell you they are supported. You've seen them support it since E3 2009.

You guys seem to basing these opinions on purposely mis-constructing the sentence to mean something else.

"Standard cars do not support interior camera views".

I'm honest here. Please, point out in this sentence where it does imply 1 interior may be supported. Again, seriously, please point it out.

It's a simple question. Do you guys? Because my English teachers have always taught me the basic grammar behind these words.
You guys seem to have been taught the same way if you do not contest the other sentences (I've wrote them out before as similar examples). But, now, you somehow know of another meaning behind "do not".

You can also continue to fallback on the "I'm just stating my opinion/argument", but I'm asking for a serious answer.
Where in "Standard cars do not support interior camera views" does it imply that, yes, 1 view is supported. Would it not make that clear?

No prob man 👍 However i will still believe what i believe and respect others opinion we will know the truth very soon.


I do not think you understand us. It's not the "do not support" part we don't get. It's the "interior camera views" part we have trouble getting. As we've said before. It's not hard to say "no cockpit view." I mean, if you were writing it and you wanted to say "no cockpit view" would YOU write down "no interior camera view"? I mean, don't that kinda seem like the scenic route; the long way to say it? And don't give me that "lost in translation" BS. It's SONY. A Japanese company. You'd think that a Japanese company would have someone who could accurately translate Japanese into English. That phrase though, looks about as good as when we all ran it through online translators.

The other thing that at least bugs me is that when Kaz or Chris were asked about Standard car interiors, they danced around the question and never talked directly about standard car interiors at all. Kaz talked about Premium car interiors but made no mention of Standard cars. You would think that if standard cars simply had no interiors, Kaz or Chris would have just said so when they were asked.

For me its the context of the whole premium and standard car section. If you read every other section besides the tacks everything is pretty clear the damage section list difference between the premium and standard and they state the difference between the lights. I think PD would of stated clearly Premium have cockpit/interior dash view standard have no cockpit/interior view. In the end we will find out soon.
 
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I do not think you understand us. It's not the "do not support" part we don't get. It's the "interior camera views" part we have trouble getting. As we've said before. It's not hard to say "no cockpit view." I mean, if you were writing it and you wanted to say "no cockpit view" would YOU write down "no interior camera view"? I mean, don't that kinda seem like the scenic route; the long way to say it? And don't give me that "lost in translation" BS. It's SONY. A Japanese company. You'd think that a Japanese company would have someone who could accurately translate Japanese into English. That phrase though, looks about as good as when we all ran it through online translators.
But then if they wrote, "No cockpit view", could one not come to the conclusion that another interior view is supported (i.e. driver's side, backseat) since cockpit view only seems to refer to the view behind the wheel? Note that that is according to the majority of this forim since most seem to believe that cockpit means a driver's view & interior view refers to suspension/engines/anything but driver's view.

Why let those theories come up when you could just make it clear none are viewable.
The other thing that at least bugs me is that when Kaz or Chris were asked about Standard car interiors, they danced around the question and never talked directly about standard car interiors at all. Kaz talked about Premium car interiors but made no mention of Standard cars. You would think that if standard cars simply had no interiors, Kaz or Chris would have just said so when they were asked.
Did you stop to think that's why they danced around the question? Did you think that maybe if they said, "No, 800 cars in the game will not have a cockpit view, but 200 will", that that would negatively impact sales of the game when folks hear that 3/4 of the cars can not be driven from a specific view?
No prob man :tub: However i will still believe what i believe and respect others opinion we will no the truth very soon.
You have to be forming your opinion on something from that sentence, so where in the sentence is it? Or are you admitting you don't have an answer?
 
But then if they wrote, "No cockpit view", could one not come to the conclusion that another interior view is supported (i.e. driver's side, backseat) since cockpit view only seems to refer to the view behind the wheel? Note that that is according to the majority of this forim since most seem to believe that cockpit means a driver's view & interior view refers to suspension/engines/anything but driver's view.

Why let those theories come up when you could just make it clear none are viewable.

Did you stop to think that's why they danced around the question? Did you think that maybe if they said, "No, 800 cars in the game will not have a cockpit view, but 200 will", that that would negatively impact sales of the game when folks hear that 3/4 of the cars can not be driven from a specific view?

You have to be forming your opinion on something from that sentence, so where in the sentence is it? Or are you admitting you don't have an answer?

I am saying I believe PD has given us some type of cockpit view, and I respect everybody's opinion on the matter. We will find out very soon though, I cant wait to see one of those standard cars in action. 👍
 
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For me its the context of the whole premium and standard car section. If you read every other section besides the tacks everything is pretty clear the damage section list difference between the premium and standard and they state the difference between the lights. I think PD would of stated clearly Premium have cockpit/interior dash view standard have no cockpit/interior view. In the end we will find out soon.
The damage section lists the differences because until recently, we did not know there was any major differences in damages between the 2.
However, until E3, we seem to have been led to believe that all cars would have a cockpit view (even though there were translations saying otherwise).

And btw, they did.
From the seductive curves of exotic sports cars, to the inviting sight of the road ahead when you slide into the driver’s seat and peer past the glass, down to the intricately detailed instrument panel and dashboard... Every one of the over 200 premium cars recreate every last detail of the car, inside and out.

Gran Turismo 5 contains over 200 of these "Premium" level cars.
That clearly means the inside of the cars will be viewable, whether it's from outside or inside. Of course, common sense told us this over a year ago through GT5:P.


Now look at standard cars.
The massive lineup of cars from past Gran Turismo games has been beautifully recreated through the latest technology and the Playstation 3’s cutting-edge graphics.

Gran Turismo 5 feature an astounding 800+ cars, a vast collection covering a wide range of eras and categories.

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.
That asterisk is a footnote for the author of the webpage & the author has basically said, "BTW, standard cars don't have an interior view".

That asterisk & the sentence itself, is the reason as to why PD did not make a list saying
Premium Cars: Cockpit - Yes
Standard Cars: Cockpit - No

The sentence says a view isn't supported, so I'm not sure why you think another one has to be written in the Premium section saying, "Premium cars do support interior camera views" when we already know that?
I am saying i believe PD has given us some type of cockpit view, and i respect everybody's opinion on the matter. We will find out very soon though, I cant wait to see one of those standard cars in action 👍
So, besides a sentence from PD saying otherwise, you think there is a view. Again, has to be something in that sentence for you to not believe it.
 
But it does when you break it down grammatically.
The standard cars having blacked-out windows in the video seems to also support the "no cockpit" theory.

Could you please then, show me what is proving the other side?
I can't I'm only stating my opinion.

It all depends on who wrote it and what they were actually meaning when they wrote it.

"Standard cars do not support interior camera views"

If we want to get technical a camera view could be a view in which you look at the car and take pictures from the outside or inside in photomode. When i play GT or any other racing games I don't call different views (camera views) I call them racing views (bumper view, bonnet view, roof view, chase view) Just like some people have said inerior views could be under the hood and the inside of fenders. I don't see that being a interior view but that is just me and how I look at things.

But then if they wrote, "No cockpit view", could one not come to the conclusion that another interior view is supported (i.e. driver's side, backseat) since cockpit view only seems to refer to the view behind the wheel?


I don't think anyone on this forum or anywhere else would think that they could drive the car from the backseat.

Anyway I am not stating that the cockpit view will be in the game. Until they say (if they ever say) that there isn't one I will remain hopeful that there is some sort of cockpit view in the standard cars.

I do see your point about Chris not answering the question directly and stating that there isn't a cockpit view for standard cars because that would be a negative view on the game and PD's part.
 
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When i play GT or any other racing games I don't call different views (camera views) I call them racing views (bumper view, bonnet view, roof view, chase view) Just like some people have said inerior views could be under the hood and the inside of fenders. I don't see that being a interior view but that is just me and how I look at things.

Camera view is kind of the standard term for those... chase cam, bumper cam, hood cam etc etc...

In video games cam view is regularly referring to whatever the camera that shoots the game action (as if you were watching the game through a video camera) is doing.
 
I can't I'm only stating my opinion.

It all depends on who wrote it and what they were actually meaning when they wrote it.

"Standard cars do not support interior camera views"

If we want to get technical a camera view could be a view in which you look at the car and take pictures from the outside or inside in photomode. When i play GT or any other racing games I don't call different views (camera views) I call them racing views (bumper view, bonnet view, roof view, chase view) Just like some people have said inerior views could be under the hood and the inside of fenders. I don't see that being a interior view but that is just me and how I look at things.
Even though driving from the bumper or hood could be called bumper/hood cam, themselves (as done sometimes by motorsport commentators).

However, good point. 👍
I don't think anyone on this forum or anywhere else would think that they could drive the car from the backseat.
I didn't say they did. I'm merely reversing the "idea" that people think interior view means anything but a driver's view & can mean replay views instead.
 
Even though driving from the bumper or hood could be called bumper/hood cam, themselves (as done sometimes by motorsport commentators).

However, good point. 👍

I didn't say they did. I'm merely reversing the "idea" that people think interior view means anything but a driver's view & can mean replay views instead.

My bad I didn't fully understand what you were trying to say.
 
But then if they wrote, "No cockpit view", could one not come to the conclusion that another interior view is supported (i.e. driver's side, backseat) since cockpit view only seems to refer to the view behind the wheel? Note that that is according to the majority of this forim since most seem to believe that cockpit means a driver's view & interior view refers to suspension/engines/anything but driver's view.

Why let those theories come up when you could just make it clear none are viewable.

Did you stop to think that's why they danced around the question? Did you think that maybe if they said, "No, 800 cars in the game will not have a cockpit view, but 200 will", that that would negatively impact sales of the game when folks hear that 3/4 of the cars can not be driven from a specific view?

You have to be forming your opinion on something from that sentence, so where in the sentence is it? Or are you admitting you don't have an answer?


All I have to say to all of this and especially the bolded part is: :rolleyes:
 
:lol: I love how people who weren't part of this discussion come into the thread, post a link to that page (or now a screenshot), say case closed and then leave and never come back to the thread :dunce:.

Not saying that that means cockpit views or not, just thought it was interesting how people appear and then disappear. As if they have come to solve all of our problems and as though people have not been arguing about that exact thing over the last 10+ pages (20?).

It is interesting isn't it?

The screenshot apparently needed to be reposted as this discussion has gone in circles as one member mentioned. At this point, I predict no new information will be added until GamesCom... and maybe not even until the leading up to November.

The best mindset is to take what granturismo.com said QUITE literally. If we're wrong, we're happy! If we're right, we knew it all along.
 
If that's all you really have to say, I consider my point proven.

I roll my eyes 'cause you act as if those of us who think that standard cars will have some sort of cockpit are complete idiots. And it's not that at all. We're just hopeful is all. It is those of us who think that PD will give us 1000+ cockpits that have the most faith in PD.

And the comment I had bolded was just stupid. I mean, do you really think there would be a 100 posts saying "Well, we might be able to race from the backseat?:dopey::dunce:" if PD said "No cockpits"? I mean, honestly? I have to make a note not to add you when I get a PS3.
 
Just a question to you guys (Im not a native english speaker)

Is it common to say "Intererior camera views are not supported" in the UK, when its reffered to the thing most people here understand as cockpit cam?

I think it is, why should PD mention this, when its only referred to those camera views avaible in replays or photo mode. Don`t forget, they listed things like "detailed interiors" as pro-arguments for the premium cars.
And didn`t Kaz say something like "blacked out interiors like in GTPSP should be possible"? If this statement is turns out to be true, I might give up my last hope for cockpit cams for standart cars.
 
I roll my eyes 'cause you act as if those of us who think that standard cars will have some sort of cockpit are complete idiots. And it's not that at all. We're just hopeful is all. It is those of us who think that PD will give us 1000+ cockpits that have the most faith in PD.
Being hopeful and being in denial isn't exactly the same, is it? Especially not if that hope is based on made-up hints.

And the comment I had bolded was just stupid. I mean, do you really think there would be a 100 posts saying "Well, we might be able to race from the backseat?:dopey::dunce:" if PD said "No cockpits"? I mean, honestly? I have to make a note not to add you when I get a PS3.
If PD said "no cockpits", there'd be 200 posts saying "There will be dash view, PD never said there will be no dash view specifically, they were only talking about cockpits so there will be a dash view! Cockpits mean fully modelled interior like in the NASCARs, it says nothing about the camera perspective! Standard cars will have dash view!!!1one"

You get the idea.

Is it common to say "Intererior camera views are not supported" in the UK, when its reffered to the thing most people here understand as cockpit cam?
'No interior camera views' implies that a certain array of views isn't available for the standard cars. Since it's reffering to interior camera views, the cockpit view would be included in that statement.

I think it is, why should PD mention this, when its only referred to those camera views avaible in replays or photo mode. Don`t forget, they listed things like "detailed interiors" as pro-arguments for the premium cars.
And didn`t Kaz say something like "blacked out interiors like in GTPSP should be possible"? If this statement is turns out to be true, I might give up my last hope for cockpit cams for standart cars.
From what I know, Kaz has only reffered to 'cockpits' in GT5 as interior.
 
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I thought the information pulled and then published back again at gran-turismo.com was the nail on the coffin.

Pretty hard to think otherwise after reading what´s there.

(I wanted to believe in basic cockpits, but i´ve given up).
 
Whats interesting is,up until today,I believed the drivers of the standard cars could not be seen clearly.after pausing towards the end of the Standard car trailer. A red classic car passes.cant remember which one.freeze the camera as the side window passes the camera.the drivers detail,helmet,etc.is the same as premiums.meaning.there are correct dimensions in there.steering wheel etc.its just a matter if they took a little bit of time to make those details count..
 
Personally, I think it's you guys that are in denial. For me, until I see a standard car with no dash, then I'm not convinced.
Ok... So you want to see that it's not there? The only possibility to make that happen would be someone who's filming himself driving a standard car while cycling through the camera views, right? Dunno about you, but I doubt PD will release a demo that lets players drive a standard car. Premiums just do the marketing stunt better.

Whats interesting is,up until today,I believed the drivers of the standard cars could not be seen clearly.after pausing towards the end of the Standard car trailer. A red classic car passes.cant remember which one.freeze the camera as the side window passes the camera.the drivers detail,helmet,etc.is the same as premiums.meaning.there are correct dimensions in there.steering wheel etc.its just a matter if they took a little bit of time to make those details count..
PD didn't model standard and premium driver models, since, once finished, it doesn't matter which car they put it in. That's why the details on the driver are the same for premium and standard cars; beecause it has absolutely nothing to do with the car's model.
 
I roll my eyes 'cause you act as if those of us who think that standard cars will have some sort of cockpit are complete idiots. And it's not that at all. We're just hopeful is all. It is those of us who think that PD will give us 1000+ cockpits that have the most faith in PD.
What is this? A religion?

You guys have been told there is no interior views in a standard car & yet you guys think there is.

Like I asked JDM, point out in the sentence where one comes to that conclusion. HAS to be somewhere.
And the comment I had bolded was just stupid. I mean, do you really think there would be a 100 posts saying "Well, we might be able to race from the backseat?:dopey::dunce:" if PD said "No cockpits"? I mean, honestly? I have to make a note not to add you when I get a PS3.
There's been posts saying that a suspension setup is in the interior of car.

So yeah, I think there would be.
Personally, I think it's you guys that are in denial. For me, until I see a standard car with no dash, then I'm not convinced.
:lol:
 
The damage section lists the differences because until recently, we did not know there was any major differences in damages between the 2.
However, until E3, we seem to have been led to believe that all cars would have a cockpit view (even though there were translations saying otherwise).

And btw, they did.


That clearly means the inside of the cars will be viewable, whether it's from outside or inside. Of course, common sense told us this over a year ago through GT5:P.


Now look at standard cars.

That asterisk is a footnote for the author of the webpage & the author has basically said, "BTW, standard cars don't have an interior view".

That asterisk & the sentence itself, is the reason as to why PD did not make a list saying
Premium Cars: Cockpit - Yes
Standard Cars: Cockpit - No

The sentence says a view isn't supported, so I'm not sure why you think another one has to be written in the Premium section saying, "Premium cars do support interior camera views" when we already know that?

So, besides a sentence from PD saying otherwise, you think there is a view. Again, has to be something in that sentence for you to not believe it.

You say we do not know any news for damage and thats why they put the list like that huh, so what about the new folks who don't anything about GT5, when they see the web site they are going to clearly say we don't have cockpit for standard cars from that standard and premium section and the little footnote? Like i said they would of been super clear with this cockpit situation. Also the way you interpreted the standard and premium section differs from mine although i respect it i don't agree with it.

Exquisitely Detailed, Premium Cars Are Stunningly Recreated Both Inside And Out


Includes over 200 cars

From the seductive curves of exotic sports cars, to the inviting sight of the road ahead when you slide into the driver’s seat and peer past the glass, down to the intricately detailed instrument panel and dashboard... Every one of the over 200 premium cars recreate every last detail of the car, inside and out.

Gran Turismo 5 contains over 200 of these "Premium" level cars.


1st you can see the interior of the 3cars (lambo, Ferrari, Benz)When you read this part it give you the description of the Premium car how detailed and precise it is inside and out there is nothing saying there is cockpit racing view in that description

Updated Cars From Past Gran Turismo Games Present An Unrivaled Lineup


Includes over 800 cars


Click the image above to view the video.
The massive lineup of cars from past Gran Turismo games has been beautifully recreated through the latest technology and the Playstation 3’s cutting-edge graphics.

Gran Turismo 5 feature an astounding 800+ cars, a vast collection covering a wide range of eras and categories.

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.


This section gives a short explanation about the standard unlike the premium section, also the 3 cars they show have blacked out windows unlike the premium. Then they put a small message saying Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views. To me this is the explanation for the black out windows. If you just saw the standard cars with blaced out windows without description folks would be like :odd: This is why they put that message there to let people know it doesn't matter from what camera view you look at the standard cars from(Photo mode, racing, garage mode, new interior replay mode) you will not see there interior like you can see the premiums.

Again it says nothing about cockpit racing view, knowing how important cockpit racing view and all the positive feedback they got from GT5P cockpit view I'm 100% sure PD would have clearly stated premium have cockpit view standards do not have cockpit view like they did with damage and the lights situation like i said they have to put this information down for the new folks who know nothing about the series so they can get a good description of the game. This is just my take on the situation 👍
 
"*Standard cars do not support interior camera views."

How could this statement possibly be misinterpreted? The argument that "it doesn't mention cockpit view" is laughable at best. You're only setting yourselves up for a massive disappointment here, guys. My advice would be to let this thread die before this place becomes a laughing stock.
 
Again it says nothing about cockpit racing view, knowing how important cockpit racing view and all the positive feedback they got from GT5P cockpit view I'm 100% sure PD would have clearly stated premium have cockpit view standards do not have cockpit view like they did with damage and the lights situation like i said they have to put this information down for the new folks who know nothing about the series so they can get a good description of the game. This is just my take on the situation 👍
This argument doesn't hold any ground because the view from the cockpit is an interior view.

You can't race a car from anywhere but the interior of it (unless by some miracle, you've mastered a 1:1 scale RC car).
 
'No interior camera views' implies that a certain array of views isn't available for the standard cars. Since it's reffering to interior camera views, the cockpit view would be included in that statement.
From what I know, Kaz has only reffered to 'cockpits' in GT5 as interior.

Yes you are correct it implies a certain views will not be available. My thing is reading the whole standard and premium section its not talking about cockpit view its talking about detail. Then you say the cockpit view would be incuded in the statement. How do you know for sure, because from what you know Kaz reffers to cockpit as interior? Let me see some proof 👍

Here is the description for GT5P

The Racing Standard For Over 10 Years

The award-winning Gran Turismo franchise returns with its 5th installment, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, exclusively for PLAYSTATION®3 on Blu-ray Disc & PlayStation®Network. With its signature realism and unrivaled physics, this highly anticipated precursor to Gran Turismo 5 continues to blur the line between simulation and reality.

Running in stunning 1080p at 60 frames per second, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue showcases new advancements to the Gran Turismo franchise. Race more than 60 meticulously detailed cars from worldwide manufacturers, including Ferrari, BMW, and Nissan. Each car features an all-new interior dash view with driver animations and gauges that track vehicle performance in real-time. In addition to racing with up to 16 players online, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue features Gran Turismo TV, a new dedicated online channel available via PlaysStation®Network that delivers motorsport and automotive content from around the globe.

Key Features:

Stunning Graphics --Race over 60 cars from worldwide automotive manufacturers, including Ferrari, Audi, BMW, Ford, and Nissan, precisely modeled both inside and out. Experience the race from right behind the wheel with the all-new interior dash view, featuring full driver animation and gauges that accurately reflect the car’s performance in real-time. Compete on 6 tracks with 12 total layouts, including Daytona International Speedway®, London City, and Suzuka Circuit. Every last detail is rendered in stunning 1080p at 60 frames per second with crisp, realistic lighting and camera effects (replays rendered in 1080p 30fps) for the most intense racing experience ever.

As you can see in this description It clearly talks about cockpit/interior dash view, Even though it does say precisely modeled inside and out like the new info we have says It also says Experience the race from right behind the wheel with the all-new interior dash view Also there is that camera word again, even though it says replays rendered in 1080p 30fps with the every last detail part and the camera part one can conclude during replay your going to see every little detail about the car.

If you compare the way they gave us this information about cockpit view in GT5P why didn't they do the same for the new information?
 
I can just imagine the look of confusion on the face of some people when they put GT5 in their PS3 and then repeatedly, unsuccessfully attempt to go into the cockpit view of a standard car.
 
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