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[SrRd RacinG]

JDMKing, SuperShouden and I are keeping this hopeful ship above water. I love it.

 

[SuperShouden]

it's got a few leaks, but I can see land.

 

[Conquerer]

Because of their statement like "vehicle internal camera views" how difficult was for them to say "no cockpit view" that is as simple as it gets

I mean that's what everyone wants to know. We do not want to see other thing inside the car. Only an cockpit view for driving, nothing else. Unlike premium cars, as there is going to be an option to look around inside the car and many things are modeled. Even from outside it can be seen.

May be vehicle interior camera views also means no cockpit view. But the translation or that statement is just stupid. Yes/No cockpit view, is what people want to know. Just three words it takes

Except that Kaz has specifically referred to the "cockpit view," that you guys all love to talk about, as "interior view." No interior camera views means no cockpit view or any other interior view. It's a Japanese company with a PR team (or person) that translates the Japanese site to English. If Kaz calls it interior view then so will the translator. Don't expect them to completely change the word and say cockpit view even though it was called interior view in Japanese, especially since it means the same thing in English and Japanese -- there's no reason to change it.

There is no confusion in the writing at all. It's very straightforward -- no interior camera views period. Just because you're not hearing what you want to hear you claim it as a bad and confusing translation. There's no reason to say "no cockpit view" because that's exactly what "no interior camera views" means, and it even extends further to deny any other interior views as well. It's not a matter of "why say this when they can say that." They say this because it makes perfect sense. If they had said no cockpit view then the same people could be arguing that it means no cockpit view but there will be other interior views and the cars could have modelled interiors. It's just nonsense. There's no cockpits or any interiors modelled at all. Enough of the selective interpretation and hearing what you want to hear -- accept the reality of a very straightforward sentence.

 

[JDMKING13]

JDMKing, SuperShouden and I are keeping this hopeful ship alive. I love it.

If we are right glory will be ours!! Its not that serious, GT5 is going to be a great game with or without them, but i honestly feel like we are going to get cockpit views for those standard car well see soon 👍

 

[SuperShouden]

Except that Kaz has specifically referred to the "cockpit view," that you guys all love to talk about, as "interior view." No interior camera views means no cockpit view or any other interior view. It's a Japanese company with a PR team (or person) that translates the Japanese site to English. If Kaz calls it interior view then so will the translator. Don't expect them to completely change the word and say cockpit view even though the it was called interior view in Japanese (since it means the same thing in English and Japanese).

There is no confusion in the writing at all. It's very straightforward -- no interior camera views period. Just because you're not hearing what you want to hear you claim it as a bad and confusing translation. There's no reason to say "no cockpit view" because that's exactly what "no interior camera views" means, and it even extends further to deny any other interior views as well.

But Kaz referred to Premium cockpits. He has mentioned not a word about Standard cockpits or the lack thereof

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Conquerer, the fact that we have YET to see standard in game gameplay is another reason why maybe we have yet to see a standard cockpit.

Think about it, they haven't been available at the demos. Not sure why. Maybe because they want the fans and reporters and critics to only see the BEST cockpits from the best looking cars (premiums).

Marketing, baby.

And again, it could be referring to Photo Mode. You don't this for sure. No one really does but a select few.

 

[Conquerer]

Conquerer, the fact that we have YET to see standard gameplay is another reason why maybe we have yet to see a standard cockpit.

Think about it, they haven't been available at the demos. Not sure why. Maybe because they want the fans to only see the BEST cockpits from the best looking cars (premiums).

Marketing, baby.

Marketing, exactly. They show off the premium cars with modelled interiors so they can experience the game at its best. Why show off the standard cars in demos when they don't look as good as premium cars and don't even have an interior view to drive from?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Marketing, exactly. They show off the premium cars with modelled interiors so they can experience the game at its best. Why show off the standard cars in demos when they don't look as good as premium cars and don't even have an interior view to drive from?

Ok, you took my statement and reversed it to suit your argument. Not a bad response on your behalf, but this solves nothing and doesn't remove anything from my theory.

 

[JDMKING13]

Check this out http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html

Read the nascar part. It has a picture of Tony Stewart office Depot/Old spice Impala and says the following

"The cockpits of the stock cars are also reproduced in full detail. In the photo is Tony Stewart’s Office Depot/Old Spice Chevrolet Impala."

Why wouldn't they say No cockpit view for Standard cars This is a huge feature and i think they would of made it super clear. IMO that Interior camera view means you cant see the standard car interior when viewing it from different camera views Ex Photo mode, racing against standard cars, the mode when your car is in garage mode that new interior replay view etc This is the reasons why for the blacked out windows. I still believe we will get some type of cockpit driving view 👍

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Check this out http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html

Read the nascar part. It has a picture of Tony Stewart office Depot/Old spice Impala and says the following

"The cockpits of the stock cars are also reproduced in full detail. In the photo is Tony Stewart’s Office Depot/Old Spice Chevrolet Impala."

Why wouldn't they say No cockpit view for Standard cars This is a huge feature and i think they would of made it super clear. IMO that Interior camera view means you cant see the standard car interior when viewing it from different camera views Ex Photo mode, racing against standard cars, the mode when your car is in garage mode that new interior replay view etc. I still believe we will get some type of cockpit 👍

I love this dude! Haha. Well this does prove that they know the difference between cockpit and interior view.

It does raise a good question, friend. Why did they mention interior camera view and simply not cockpit view?

We march along.

 

[Conquerer]

Check this out http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html

Read the nascar part. It has a picture of Tony Stewart office Depot/Old spice Impala and says the following

"The cockpits of the stock cars are also reproduced in full detail. In the photo is Tony Stewart’s Office Depot/Old Spice Chevrolet Impala."

Why wouldn't they say No cockpit view for Standard cars This is a huge feature and i think they would of made it super clear. IMO that Interior camera view means you cant see the standard car interior when viewing it from different camera views Ex Photo mode, racing against standard cars, the mode when your car is in garage mode that new interior replay view etc. I still believe we will get some type of cockpit 👍

See, you're just hearing what you want to hear. It's a clear statement. No interior views. Cockpit view is an interior view. If there were a cockpit view, it would be specifically stated. If they meant no interior replay views it would be specifically stated as well. They weren't even in GT5P so why the hell would they say they're not in GT5 for standard cars? It's not even a key feature of the game in any form whatsoever. I mean, hey, it's nice but I really wouldn't care if they weren't in the game. They don't say there are interior camera views for premium cars but go out of their way to say there aren't for standard cars. That should tell you something.

And secondly, NASCAR models have cockpits because they are racing cars. A regular car doesn't have a "cockpit." Most of the standard cars are regular cars so "interior view" is more fitting since it more adequately describes all the standard cars.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

The fact of the matter is both sides of this argument have different examples of "proof" to validate their argument. Those who expect Standard cars to get interiors hinge this belief on the fact that the asterisk'd line doesn't specifically use the word "cockpit". Those who think we aren't getting them approach with a fairly sound argument that a cockpit view is one of several possible interior views... and if "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views", then that means no camera views will be possible inside the car. None in Photomode, no cockpit, nothing that could possibly be labelled inside.

Either we'll get some kind of confirmation at one of the two big shows remaining, or we'll get it ourselves on November 2nd. Until then people will continue to argue about it. I'm taking the side that makes far more sense to the English student in me, but I can at least, sorta, kinda, see the argument for Standard cockpit view. Maybe.

 

[JDMKING13]

See, you're just hearing what you want to hear. It's a clear statement. No interior views. Cockpit view is an interior view. If there were a cockpit view, it would be specifically stated. If they meant no interior replay views it would be specifically stated as well. They weren't even in GT5P so why the hell would they say they're not in GT5 for standard cars? They don't say there are interior camera views for premium cars.

And secondly, NASCAR models have cockpits because they are racing cars. A regular car doesn't have a "cockpit." Most of the standard cars are regular cars so "interior view" is more fitting since it more adequately describes all the standard cars.

Ok man what ever you say 👍 I'm glad you brought up the PSP thing, Even GT PSP had cockpit view, yes they where blacked out but its a handheld game. That system is so small. I'm pretty sure they could get some generic cockpits for those standard cars with the PS3.

 

[gtracedriver]

Except that Kaz has specifically referred to the "cockpit view," that you guys all love to talk about, as "interior view." No interior camera views means no cockpit view or any other interior view. It's a Japanese company with a PR team (or person) that translates the Japanese site to English. If Kaz calls it interior view then so will the translator. Don't expect them to completely change the word and say cockpit view even though it was called interior view in Japanese, especially since it means the same thing in English and Japanese -- there's no reason to change it.

There is no confusion in the writing at all. It's very straightforward -- no interior camera views period. Just because you're not hearing what you want to hear you claim it as a bad and confusing translation. There's no reason to say "no cockpit view" because that's exactly what "no interior camera views" means, and it even extends further to deny any other interior views as well. It's not a matter of "why say this when they can say that." They say this because it makes perfect sense. If they had said no cockpit view then the same people could be arguing that it means no cockpit view but there will be other interior views and the cars could have modelled interiors. It's just nonsense. There's no cockpits or any interiors modelled at all. Enough of the selective interpretation and hearing what you want to hear -- accept the reality of a very straightforward sentence.

I am sure by now Sony knows about this issue. They can get the required info even now but stating no cockpit views by clarifying with PD.

But they are keeping quite on this matter for some reason. I am sure there will be some sort of cockpit view, Let us wait and see

 

[JDMKING13]

The fact of the matter is both sides of this argument have different examples of "proof" to validate their argument. Those who expect Standard cars to get interiors hinge this belief on the fact that the asterisk'd line doesn't specifically use the word "cockpit". Those who think we aren't getting them approach with a fairly sound argument that a cockpit view is one of several possible interior views... and if "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views", then that means no camera views will be possible inside the car. None in Photomode, no cockpit, nothing that could possibly be labelled inside.

Either we'll get some kind of confirmation at one of the two big shows remaining, or we'll get it ourselves on November 2nd. Until then people will continue to argue about it. I'm taking the side that makes far more sense to the English student in me, but I can at least, sorta, kinda, see the argument for Standard cockpit view. Maybe.

Thank you Slip I'm not saying you have to agree with it but at least see why we still have some hope. BTW your GT4 pics are amazing i cant wait to see what you do in GT5 👍

 

[eSZee]

Either way, I am curious to see if our moaning will lead to some sort of generic cockpit on standard cars. No, we're not asking for premium interiors, and that goes to show you how little we care for it (or at least how little I care for precisely detailed interiors). But just render a few generic cockpits and let that be that until GT6.

If standard cars can show slight damage, then there is slight hope that they can have a cockpit. But right now, it looks grim.

If by generic you mean blacked out, featureless cockpit then yes, possible. However all cars sharing one detailed cockpit is something I doubt manufacturers would agree to.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

It's not difficult to debate either side. I'll do it now to catch anybody up on the matter.

No cockpits for standard cars: It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars so not support vehicle interior camera views".

That means the cockpit is an interior view. And there aren't ANY interior views available. Therefore, no view from behind the wheel is available because it is inherently an "interior" view, and we just established that standard cars do not support them.

The windows are darkened so we cannot see inside because frankly, there's not much to see besides a very limited interior modeling of a GT4/GTPSP car.

Also, we have yet to see in game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. And the fact that standard cars have not been available at the demos is because they do not support a cockpit view or any interior view for that matter.
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Cockpits for standard cars: It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars so not support vehicle interior camera views".

That simply means that the new and improved Photo Mode will not allow for any vehicle interior camera views of a standard car. It means you cannot use the camera to see the vehicle's interior. Why not? Because it's a very vague PS2/PSP rendering, therefore, PD does not want us to see any interior view of it when taking photos (zooming in). But Photo Mode is not in-game racing, so a cockpit can be available during gameplay.

Also, we have yet to see in-game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. Therefore, it cannot be said that standard cars do not have cockpits in gameplay. At least let us see in-game footage at a demo before we totally debunk this theory.

 

[SuperShouden]

If by generic you mean blacked out, featureless cockpit then yes, possible. However all cars sharing one detailed cockpit is something I doubt manufacturers would agree to.

If they're going to do a generic interior, I'm sure they'd do one for each manufacturer. I mean, have you seen the interiors of the Ford Contour and Taurus? Practically the same. And that's the thing. Manufacturers tend to use generic cockpits themselves. In fact, the only ones that really have something special are the special cars. The Challenger's interior is different from the Charger's, and the Mustang has it's own furnishings. But, when you get to the other models like the Ram and Dakota or the Focus and Fusion, then they pretty much share interiors.

 

[eSZee]

No interior camera view = no camera view from the inside of the car.

Why does it have to be from the inside? It could technically be of the inside from outside. Either way, no interior views means no interior views.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Having one generic cockpit per manufacturer would actually be more embarassing than the blacked-out ones. Blacked-out interiors at least say "hey, we gave you these GT4 cars, understand we haven't been able to make everything to Premium levels yet". Hopping into the Ram and seeing the exact same interior as the Neon would say "hey, we're throwing away any last semblance of our whole 'the pursuit of realism' thing".

The brand's logo on the wheel of a basically black cockpit is all I would really expect (if we even get a cockpit view for Standards, something I still don't really expect). I don't really want more work being put into Standard cars anyways; they are quite literally last-generation and are useless for the future. Premium should be the main goal.

JDM - Thanks, I can guarantee I'll have a new gallery up within a week of release!

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Hopping into the Ram and seeing the exact same interior as the Neon would say "hey, we're throwing away any last semblance of our whole 'the pursuit of realism' thing".

I already have a solution to that.

They should model generic cockpits based on vehicle type.

High and wide views for trucks and SUVS.

Low profile views for tiny cars and sports cars.

Super low profile views for LMP cars.

ETC ETC ETC

 

[JDMKING13]

Those who think we aren't getting them approach with a fairly sound argument that a cockpit view is one of several possible interior views... and if "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views", then that means no camera views will be possible inside the car. None in Photomode, no cockpit, nothing that could possibly be labelled inside.

I can understand why someone would think that, however if you read the whole context of the premium and standard car description all its talking about is the detail (interior/exterior) between the two cars, how premium will be detailed to the last stitch where you can see the interior in any camera mode. Then for the standards you see them have blacked out windows, but it has that small text *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views. this is why i think its just for outside (and that new interior replay view) viewing "photo mode, racing, garage mode, interior replay mode. Like you said though we will see soon 👍

 

[Conquerer]

Ok man what ever you say 👍 I'm glad you brought up the PSP thing, Even GT PSP had cockpit view, yes they where blacked out but its a handheld game. That system is so small. I'm pretty sure they could get some generic cockpits for those standard cars with the PS3.

Firstly, I never argued there won't be PSP cockpits or even generic cockpits. I actually expect that to be a decent possiblity (PSP much more than generic which may be a bit unlikely) and that was never what I was talking about in terms of the cockpit view. It's not a real "cockpit view" so they wouldn't say there is a cockpit view if that's what they're using. After all, PD or Kaz specifically stated there would be no cockpit view in GT PSP and we got the black frame.

Cockpits for standard cars: It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars so not support vehicle interior camera views".

That simply means that the new and improved Photo Mode will not allow for any vehicle interior camera views of a standard car. It means you cannot use the camera to see the vehicle's interior. Why not? Because it's a very vague PS2/PSP rendering, therefore, PD does not want us to see any interior view of it when taking photos (zooming in). But Photo Mode is not in-game racing, so a cockpit can be available during gameplay.

Also, we have yet to see in-game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. Therefore, it cannot be said that standard cars do not have cockpits in gameplay. At least let us see in-game footage at a demo before we totally debunk this theory.

If "interior camera views" was referring to photo mode, it would have been stated. That is a huge way to stretch that sentence. Photo mode isn't even a core mode of the game so there would be no point in mentioning that without expressly stating it's referring to photo mode. We haven't even heard much detail at all about photo mode yet so that's irrelevant at this point in time.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

If "interior camera views" was referring to photo mode, it would have been stated. That is a huge way to stretch that sentence. Photo mode isn't even a core mode of the game so there would be no point in mentioning that without expressly stating it's referring to photo mode. We haven't even heard much detail at all about photo mode yet so that's irrelevant at this point in time.

KY would like a word with you.

Please be considerate and watch 1:34-1:52.

Sounds important to him.

 

[JDMKING13]

I know I'm annoying you guys but this is what I mean when being very clear. Damage is a new important feature to GT5 when you read the list that list the difference between damage for the standards/premium modes it very clear it leaves know interpretation

Performance Damage
Performance damage affects how the car performs based on calculating the physical effects of collisions and damage on various parameters. It affects vehicle stability and control, depending on the amount of damage taken. This level of damage affects both premium and standard cars.

Dirt, Scratches, and Dents
This is damage that can be visually seen, and involves the vehicle collecting dirt, scratches and dents. This level of damage affects both premium and standard cars.

Dislodging and Deformation of Body Panels
This third level of damage causes body panels to come loose or to deform from their original shapes. This level of damage affects premium cars only.

Premium cars Standard cars
Performance Damage ● ●
Dirt, Scratches, and Dents ● ●
Dislodging/Deformation of Body Panels ●

That whole standard and premium section describes the detail between the cars, but I don't think it has nothing to do with cockpit view. Knowing how important that feature is I think PD would of made it super clear saying premium cars have cockpit view/interior dash view standard cars have no cockpit/interior dash view

 

[SuperShouden]

Having one generic cockpit per manufacturer would actually be more embarassing than the blacked-out ones. Blacked-out interiors at least say "hey, we gave you these GT4 cars, understand we haven't been able to make everything to Premium levels yet". Hopping into the Ram and seeing the exact same interior as the Neon would say "hey, we're throwing away any last semblance of our whole 'the pursuit of realism' thing".

The brand's logo on the wheel of a basically black cockpit is all I would really expect (if we even get a cockpit view for Standards, something I still don't really expect). I don't really want more work being put into Standard cars anyways; they are quite literally last-generation and are useless for the future. Premium should be the main goal.

JDM - Thanks, I can guarantee I'll have a new gallery up within a week of release!

Dude, have you actually seen the interiors of some of the lower end cars? I mean my parent's last car was a '94 Pontiac Sunbird. It's interior was pretty freakin' basic: Steering wheel, vents, rado, brand logo on the wheel. That's it. Nothing special. And that's the thing. Most vehicles don't have very exciting interiors. Like the 300C with paper-cut-out gages. And, by the way, the 300's dash is VERY similar to the ME412's....and the Crossfire's...not the Pt Cruiser's though. The thing is, you could do a couple generic interiors per brand that are relatively close to the one's in the actual cars, and get away with it. But, I would think that they did better research than that. But, again, 1000+ cockpits would be extremely time consuming. Even if they're only standard dashes. I think they'll have vehicle specific interiors, but they won't be nearly as details as the Premiums and probably contain only the dash and gauges and wheel.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

In the first minute, we see premium cars being shown off in Photo Mode. You can easily see the interior of the cars.

It could be that the camera is actually allowed INSIDE of the premium cars, (as if it were a passenger), to take pictures of the interior and not just a zoomed in photo OF the interior FROM the exterior..

And it seems standard cars do not support any interior camera view (from any angle: photo taken inside or outside) because they're PS2 models which have no interior to view.

So, again, the "*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views" phrase doesn't at all deny cockpits for standard cars.

If there were no Photo Mode, this argument would be invalid. But there is, so it lives on.

 

[McLaren]

So, again, the "*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views" phrase doesn't at all deny cockpits for standard cars.

If there were no Photo Mode, this argument would be invalid. But there is, so it lives on.

Do you guys pay attention in English? I could see how akira couldn't understand it, but you should understand English grammar enough to see where it does deny cockpits.

The word "do" means to perform an action.
The word "not" forms a negative when used with an auxiliary verb. "Do" is an auxiliary verb.
The word "support" means to enable to function or act.

Thus, "Standard cars do not enable the function or act of interior camera views". This is a "negative" - consisting in the absence rather than the presence of distinguishing features.

"I do not support the views of Obama."
"Peta does not support the cruelty of animals."
"Standard cars do not support interior camera views."

So, how are some of you finding a part in this last sentence where it means that 1 of the interior views is supported? The sentence doesn't say anything about Photomode. It doesn't say anything about meaning car details. It says an interior view is not enabled in the standard cars.

 

[trk29]

Well whenever the information is released there is going to be flaming for no reason. Because with the information we have been given, it does not give a clear defintion and there has been no video proof to support these theory's.

So there should not be any "I was right and you were wrong". I want a cockpit view but I have not been convinced that there will or will not be one. If someone has a opinion that is there right, to tell them they are wrong is not anyone's place without concrete proof IMHO.

 

[JDMKING13]

Do you guys pay attention in English? I could see how akira couldn't understand it, but you should understand English grammar enough to see where it does deny cockpits.

The word "do" means to perform an action.
The word "not" forms a negative when used with an auxiliary verb. "Do" is an auxiliary verb.
The word "support" means to enable to function or act.

Thus, "Standard cars do not enable the function or act of interior camera views".

"I do not support the views of Obama."
"Peta does not support the cruelty of animals."
"Standard cars do not support interior camera views."

So, how are some of you finding a part in this last sentence where it means that 1 of the interior views is supported? The sentence doesn't say anything about Photomode. It doesn't say anything about meaning car details. It says an interior view is not enabled in the standard cars.

So if that means no cockpit view for standard cars how come it does not say anything about premium cars having cockpit view? From the context of that whole premium/standard car section it is emphasizing Detail exterior/interior. Both section say nothing about cockpit view.

Anyway you have your opinion which is cool and i respect that, however let the people who believe we are getting cockpit believe. We are just stating our opinion and agruments, "Do you guys pay attention in English? I could see how akira couldn't understand it, but you should understand English grammar enough to see where it does deny cockpits." Are these comments really needed?