"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.Update read 1st page

[JDMKING13]

I can just imagine the look of confusion on the face of some people when they put GT5 in their PS3 and then repeatedly, unsuccessfully attempt to go into the cockpit view of a standard car.

Wont have to wait for that we will see some new news soon at the upcoming events. 👍

 

[gtracedriver]

"*Standard cars do not support interior camera views."

How could this statement possibly be misinterpreted? The argument that "it doesn't mention cockpit view" is laughable at best. You're only setting yourselves up for a massive disappointment here, guys. My advice would be to let this thread die before this place becomes a laughing stock.

Why would a racing game ever come up with such statements when it can say something like "no cockpit view on on standard cars" is what I want to know

 

[chepu]

Hard Denial.

I want somebody to explain me where in the world, Cockpit View is not an Interior View.

If the cockpit is part of the interior, and the cockpit view IS an interior view, How come its not included in the whole STANDARD CARS DO NOT SUPPORT INTERIOR CAMERA VIEWS.

Simple as that.

And dont come with Photomode or all that stuff, Unless it said STANDARDS WONT SUPPORT INTERIOR CAMERA VIEWS IN PHOTOMODE, its just impossible to take it like that.

 

[JDMKING13]

Hard Denial.

I want somebody to explain me where in the world, Cockpit View is not an Interior View.

If the cockpit is part of the interior, and the cockpit view IS an interior view, How come its not included in the whole STANDARD CARS DO NOT SUPPORT INTERIOR CAMERA VIEWS.

Simple as that.

And dont come with Photomode or all that stuff, Unless it said STANDARDS WONT SUPPORT INTERIOR CAMERA VIEWS IN PHOTOMODE, its just impossible to take it like that.

So how come on the GT5P description it clearly talks about interior dash view? They did not describe that view by interior camera view right. that whole description when they where talking about cockpit view they said interior dash view. *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views can mean many things

 

[McLaren]

So how come on the GT5P description it clearly talks about interior dash view? They did not describe that view by interior camera view right. that whole description when they where talking about cockpit view they said interior dash view. *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views can mean many things

You keep saying this & yet, you won't tell me where in the sentence it implies a view is supported.

I've said it numerous times, there has to be a certain word for your brain to come to the conclusion that it does mean an interior view is supported in some way. What it says for a 2+ year old game has no more relevance.

 

[Conquerer]

Why would a racing game ever come up with such statements when it can say something like "no cockpit view on on standard cars" is what I want to know

Because only racing cars have "cockpit views" and there are many more regular cars than racing cars. Just because you always call it cockpit view and want others to call it that all the time doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. I wouldn't even go so far as to describe "cockpit view" as proper wording of the matter. "Interior view" is more formal, whereas "cockpit view" is more slang like we hear around here a lot. Plus the fact that "cockpit view" IS and interior view makes your question irrelevant. They mentioned "interior camera views" to cover any interior view, whether it's the steering wheel/dashboard view or anything else.

 

[Slurm]

I believe the reason they now use the term "interior views" is because GT5's premium cars now have full interiors with which support analogous views of their interiors.

Prologue only had dashboard view, and as such it was known as dashboard view. If they said "no dashboard view" people might get super-excited that there will still be views of the engine bays or rear seats.

 

[Nero9]

Yep, who are in denial, you can keep digging for hope, there is'nt any.

 

[Conquerer]

Personally, I think it's you guys that are in denial. For me, until I see a standard car with no dash, then I'm not convinced.

You must think Porsche is in the game as well then. After all, Kaz only said they probably won't be in. But hey, you can be hopeful, right? Until you see they're not in the game after the release, you won't be convinced.

 

[gtracedriver]

Because only racing cars have "cockpit views" and there are many more regular cars than racing cars. Just because you always call it cockpit view and want others to call it that all the time doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. I wouldn't even go so far as to describe "cockpit view" as proper wording of the matter. "Interior view" is more formal, whereas "cockpit view" is more slang like we hear around here a lot. Plus the fact that "cockpit view" IS and interior view makes your question irrelevant. They mentioned "interior camera views" to cover any interior view, whether it's the steering wheel/dashboard view or anything else.

so you are justifying the statements they have released.

I find it really strange TBH. Of course I know, it probably meas cockpit view. But those wording are just strange. "Vehicle interior camera views" is so complicated and detail description rather than no cockpit view which is simple and straight forward.

Add to that premium have an option to look around and more details in interiors makes their statements more confusing

 

[McLaren]

so you are justifying the statements they have released.

I find it really strange TBH. Of course I know, it probably meas cockpit view. But those wording are just strange. "Vehicle interior camera views" is so complicated and detail description rather than no cockpit view which is simple and straight forward.

Add to that premium have an option to look around and more details in interiors makes their statements more confusing

It's only confusing if you make it confusing. If you break it down grammatically like I did previously, it becomes ever more clearer.

As for my underlined part, it doesn't matter if it said that. People here would still decide a driver's view is possible. The current wording covers all the bases pretty plainly.

 

[Antti-san]

I believe the reason they now use the term "interior views" is because GT5's premium cars now have full interiors with which support analogous views of their interiors.

Prologue only had dashboard view, and as such it was known as dashboard view. If they said "no dashboard view" people might get super-excited that there will still be views of the engine bays or rear seats.

What are you talking about? Prologue had completely modeled interiors too, you know!

 

[JDMKING13]

You keep saying this & yet, you won't tell me where in the sentence it implies a view is supported.

I've said it numerous times, there has to be a certain word for your brain to come to the conclusion that it does mean an interior view is supported in some way. What it says for a 2+ year old game has no more relevance.

So nothing in past history matters to you huh, cant make any reference to old articles in life right? Mclaren listen anything you say to me is not going to change my mind on where i stand and vice versa. That premium and standard section main focus is about DETAIL between the two cars It has nothing in the text that talks mainly about what PD refers to cockpit Interior dash view. Show me where they say premium cars have a cockpit/interior dash racing view. When they talk about damage they list the different features for both cars clearly, when they talk about headlights they list the feature for both cars clearly. Again that standard and premium section is mainly on the difference of the detail between the two version of cars which they explain, you can see every little detail on the premium cars exterior/interior, however the interiors of the standcars *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views. and this is the reason for the blacked out windows. This does not mean PD cant give us a Interior dash view though when in racing mode.

Many people in the present make great usage of information in the past. If you read GT5P article from a clear head you can clearly see when they are talking about cockpit view they use Interior dash view to describe it. Also they used the camera word to describe replay.


Side note Mclaren me and you both play Forza3 now when actually playing Forza 3 the interior/windows of the cars are dark it is only when in certain modes the interior is visible, I'm not saying that in certain modes the standards cars are going to have visible interior, with this statement *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views. it ensures me you will never see that actual car interior in photo mode racing against standard cars, garage mode, and replay interior mode. I still think they will give us a cockpit view though.

 

[JDMKING13]

I believe the reason they now use the term "interior views" is because GT5's premium cars now have full interiors with which support analogous views of their interiors.

Prologue only had dashboard view, and as such it was known as dashboard view. If they said "no dashboard view" people might get super-excited that there will still be views of the engine bays or rear seats.

To bad GT5P had full interiors you could see the red carpet of the NSX-R when the car was under heavy braking.

 

[analog]

What? Prologue had completely modeled interiors too, you know!

Not as complete as those Premium interiors though, look at those pictures on the official GT5 site, for example the backseat of that Challenger.
It includes seatbelts, now start looking for seatbelts on any backseat in Prologue.
As for the pictures of those racecar interiors, they include pedals ( no car in Prologue had visible pedals ).
Might be those were modelled even in Prologue but just weren't visible due to the limitations of that game.
And it seems the Premium interiors are visible from multiple camera viewpoints ( seen even in E3 trailer ) in replay at least.
Replay from within interior isn't possible in Prologue and it has basically 4 viewpoints ( ahead/back/left/right ) so they didn't need to fully model the interiors ( some interior space isn't visible ).
Not concluding anything out of this, as it might be possible the limitations of Prologue are the reason for this.

Edit, some seatbelts in the back are modelled in Prologue ( for example the Lancia Delta ), but only because they are visible at the top of the backseat ( hinged at the top IRL ).
Still the backseat of the Challenger is fully visible from bottom to top unlike the ones in Prologue.

 

[Yaycandy69]

i found a new vid...... (well one i havent scene yet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlsOoBXzdEo&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[Yaycandy69]

common if they put interior view on the suzuki cappuccino in gt5 prologue im pretty sure all standard cars will have interior view

 

[JDMKING13]

Not as complete as those Premium interiors though, look at those pictures on the official GT5 site, for example the backseat of that Challenger.
It includes seatbelts, now start looking for seatbelts on any backseat in Prologue.
As for the pictures of those racecar interiors, they include pedals ( no car in Prologue had visible pedals ).
Might be those were modelled even in Prologue but just weren't visible due to the limitations of that game.
And it seems the Premium interiors are visible from multiple camera viewpoints ( seen even in E3 trailer ) in replay at least.
Replay from within interior isn't possible in Prologue and it has basically 4 viewpoints ( ahead/back/left/right ) so they didn't need to fully model the interiors ( some interior space isn't visible ).
Not concluding anything out of this, as it might be possible the limitations of Prologue are the reason for this.

Exactly its Prologue, however i don't agree with they didnt need to model for the interior because you couldnt see it. Like i said when i saw the red carpet of the NSX-R i was like Pd is serious.

 

[chepu]

common if they put interior view on the suzuki cappuccino in gt5 prologue im pretty sure all standard cars will have interior view

Your logic is Really Flawed, so by Your Logic the only premium cars should be Supercars and Race Cars?

They did it because they need variety in those 200 GT5 Cars.

 

[Captain Roh]

Person A thinks 100% that cockpit view is in the game.
Person B thinks 100% that cockpit view isn't in the game.

Unfortunately neither person(s) can be proved right at this point so are both wrong until proven correct.

Need we keep repeating ourselves in an endless circular discussion argument about who is right and wrong?

 

[JDMKING13]

Person A thinks 100% that cockpit view is in the game.
Person B thinks 100% that cockpit view isn't in the game.

Unfortunately neither person(s) can be proved right at this point so are both wrong until proven correct.

Need we keep repeating ourselves in an endless circular discussion argument about who is right and wrong?

Capt I'm not saying I'm right or wrong all I"m doing is expression my opinion on the subject. I never said we are getting cockpit view I'm just saying in my opinion i think we might get cockpit view and backing it up with my evidence.

But i agree with you 100% no body knows nothing yet.

 

[Tenacious D]

Things wouldn't be so muddy if not for two statements from two journalistic sources other than OPM saying that the Standard cars would have cockpits. One sent an email was rather adamant about it. I can't remember who, but the other was SimHQ. For that matter, Sean Cole from InsideSimRacing remarked that the Standard cars were at Prologue level, or close to it. I don't know if this is because of direct experience with closed door stuff, remarks from the SONY reps or misjudgment or what, but that is something to consider.

Still, whoever said that we should just assume that Standards won't have a cockpit at all till we know better has the right idea. Our opinions won't shape the future to our wishes. Kaz is well aware of how much we love those dashboards. If he can give them to us, he will.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

Well.clearly from the trailer,the windows arnt as light as the premiums.but their nowhere near as dark as GT4..or even the original GTHD/Visison GT.Im still hopeful...

 

[Antti-san]

Not as complete as those Premium interiors though, look at those pictures on the official GT5 site, for example the backseat of that Challenger.
It includes seatbelts, now start looking for seatbelts on any backseat in Prologue.
As for the pictures of those racecar interiors, they include pedals ( no car in Prologue had visible pedals ).
Might be those were modelled even in Prologue but just weren't visible due to the limitations of that game.
And it seems the Premium interiors are visible from multiple camera viewpoints ( seen even in E3 trailer ) in replay at least.
Replay from within interior isn't possible in Prologue and it has basically 4 viewpoints ( ahead/back/left/right ) so they didn't need to fully model the interiors ( some interior space isn't visible ).
Not concluding anything out of this, as it might be possible the limitations of Prologue are the reason for this.

Edit, some seatbelts in the back are modelled in Prologue ( for example the Lancia Delta ), but only because they are visible at the top of the backseat ( hinged at the top IRL ).
Still the backseat of the Challenger is fully visible from bottom to top unlike the ones in Prologue.

Interesting, I guess I haven't paid enough of attention then! But still, even the cars in Prologue had way more than just the dashboard modeled.

 

[McLaren]

Person A thinks 100% that cockpit view is in the game.
Person B thinks 100% that cockpit view isn't in the game.

Unfortunately neither person(s) can be proved right at this point so are both wrong until proven correct.

Need we keep repeating ourselves in an endless circular discussion argument about who is right and wrong?

Except they can. That simple statement says a standard car does not support an interior view of any kind.

How can we be wrong when the sentence says we're right? There's no other way to interpret it without purposely doing so.

I've already used 2 other examples that mimic that sentence. If the words "do not" suddenly mean a positive, then someone has changed the English dictionary or someone refuses to learn it. I've broken it down to what it means in simple terms.

The word "do" means to perform an action.
The word "not" forms a negative when used with an auxiliary verb. "Do" is an auxiliary verb.
The word "support" means to enable to function or act.

Thus, "Standard cars do not enable the function or act of interior camera views". This is a "negative" - consisting in the absence rather than the presence of distinguishing features.

"I do not support the views of Obama."
"Peta does not support the cruelty of animals."
"Standard cars do not support interior camera views."

Again, if that 3rd sentence has a meaning that a camera view is supported, then that means the other 2 sentences have a meaning of positivity behind them as well.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Until we know for sure (game in hand), the droning on is as bad as those vuvuzelas! (excuse the spelling!)

 

[Akira AC]

OK,OK lets say that standard cars do not have cockpits,is just a matter of waiting,besides the ones who believe that standard cockpits will not feature are the ones who whining about everything,not all some of you guys appeal to reason and that is valid but for other ones is just like "anti GT fans" in a fan-based web page,which is OK,some opposition have to be taken in count everywhere,but deny some theories or some postures make something call totalitarianism.

Deny opinions like:

1. No cockpit will be feature in standard cars
2. Cockpits will be feature in standard cars

Is like being pedantic,admit both opinions are valid is logical,stand to a single one is not,but of course boycott one theory without knowing some facts is selfishness by some people and those opinions should not make count,the idea of the forums is to debate in a reasonable way,not fanboy,anti fanboy way,I expose my theory because I don't see any official quotes about no-cockpit in standard cars,and to the date is a fact that is unknown, Instead of boycott or being sarcastic use reasonable words and reasonable argument, don't be pedantic both theories should be put in the table and discuss until and official pronouncement is taken.

BTW no one here(maybe in other threads)is saying that PD is god or something in that matter,they of course are no gods,but sadly Forza fanboys do think that most of the people in this forum think that PD are superior beings,they don't(as for myself they are no special),but they do a great product like GT that in all aspects is better than is competitor Forza series(Forza series are good but they are not as good as GT series and because of that I sold my xbox 360,also before it breaks),but a lot of people believe that PD can came up with a product that can mark some basis in newer products(in example day night transitions that Turn 10 can take for its oncoming Forza 4)and so on.

I said this almost a couple of days ago and still no one seems to make sense,and there is some facts to add:

I've already used 2 other examples that mimic that sentence. If the words "do not" suddenly mean a positive, then someone has changed the English dictionary or someone refuses to learn it

We have to remember that all the official pronouncement about this topic has been made in Japanese,not English, I do know that the main language for world wide communication is English,but lets not forget shall we that the first time we saw this pronouncement was:

"スタンダードカー”はインテリア視点に対応していません"

which I had mention before means in literal English:

(1)スタンダードカー”は/(2)インテリア/(3)視点に/(4)対応していません
(1)Standard Car "is/(2)interiorS(plural not singular)/(3)Point of view/(4) unsupported,no supported deny supported

but simplify by PD and web master from GT official web site as as:

"Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views"

Now if we make a comparison between the two we found the plural in the segment interior,not view, proof of this:

"Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views"
is not the same as
"Standard Car views from the interior unsupported,no supported"

As far as I know this could mean a mistranslation,or a grammatical correction but my point is that the plural goes in the interiors section,not the view section which make me think more about the absence of words like cockpit in any pronunciation because there is a clear Japanese word for that(コックピッ&#12488and its translation fit better to the descriptions of not having cockpit view,from now on a lot of people will say that "I know more that the guys who translate from Japanese" ,trust me I don't ,I don't know English as first language but I do know Japanese as first language,the Japanese language is more complex that you think it is,and if we compare it with the simplicity of the English we found a lot of misunderstandings,well is up to you have a view of this, is just a theory and nothing more I could be right or wrong,no one knows but if you have offensive thoughts or unreasonable replies keep it to yourselves,the idea of discuss is make a reasonable comparative of ideas to concrete a conclusions,in this case the only conclusion that we will get is the one that PD will provide us in a near future.

Finally and as another point,what we have seen in premium cars is also proof that several interior views like, passenger seat,back seat,roof,dash and other multiple view are supported,what make me thinks that the deny of several,not all view is also a clue of probable cockpit view.

And this is time to stop spamming this post,I will post again here until newer information regarding the topic come,I want to say this because we are in an endless cycle of discussion,and further replies will be based on the same basis as always,I suggest you guys,both supporters or not supporters of this theory
make your final post and stop until new information is given .

 

[hardvibes]

For GT5 Prologue they didn't call it "interior"
UK/US Gran Turismo: "in-car view"
JP Gran Turismo: "car perspective"

I know this doesn't prove anything. Please don't hit me .

 

[JDMKING13]

For GT5 Prologue they didn't call it "interior"
UK/US Gran Turismo: "in-car view"
JP Gran Turismo: "car perspective"

I know this doesn't prove anything. Please don't hit me .

Exacltly bro this is what i was saying when i put the GT5P game description up
when talking about the cockpit view they say interior dash view. Even in that article they used the word camera, but they were talking about replays.

Here is the description for GT5P

The Racing Standard For Over 10 Years

The award-winning Gran Turismo franchise returns with its 5th installment, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, exclusively for PLAYSTATION®3 on Blu-ray Disc & PlayStation®Network. With its signature realism and unrivaled physics, this highly anticipated precursor to Gran Turismo 5 continues to blur the line between simulation and reality.

Running in stunning 1080p at 60 frames per second, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue showcases new advancements to the Gran Turismo franchise. Race more than 60 meticulously detailed cars from worldwide manufacturers, including Ferrari, BMW, and Nissan. Each car features an all-new interior dash view with driver animations and gauges that track vehicle performance in real-time. In addition to racing with up to 16 players online, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue features Gran Turismo TV, a new dedicated online channel available via PlaysStation®Network that delivers motorsport and automotive content from around the globe.

Key Features:

Stunning Graphics --Race over 60 cars from worldwide automotive manufacturers, including Ferrari, Audi, BMW, Ford, and Nissan, precisely modeled both inside and out. Experience the race from right behind the wheel with the all-new interior dash view, featuring full driver animation and gauges that accurately reflect the car’s performance in real-time. Compete on 6 tracks with 12 total layouts, including Daytona International Speedway®, London City, and Suzuka Circuit. Every last detail is rendered in stunning 1080p at 60 frames per second with crisp, realistic lighting and camera effects (replays rendered in 1080p 30fps) for the most intense racing experience ever.

As you can see in this description It clearly talks about cockpit/interior dash view, Even though it does say precisely modeled inside and out like the new info we have says It also says Experience the race from right behind the wheel with the all-new interior dash view Also there is that camera word again, even though it says replays rendered in 1080p 30fps with the every last detail part and the camera part one can conclude during replay your going to see every little detail about the car.

If you compare the way they gave us this information about cockpit view in GT5P why didn't they do the same for the new information?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

"Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views"
is not the same as
"Standard Car views from the interior unsupported,no supported"

Strange, they both sound pretty definitive to me, and they both definitely read that way with every known rule of English. Cockpit view is a view from the interior, and views from the interior aren't supported.

If the line read "do not support some vehicle interior camera views", I'd be all for the optimism. If we end up getting a driver view (and I mean a real one, not the cop-out blacked-out PSP one), I'll be happy with something I didn't expect to get. If we don't get them, cool, I was right so I don't feel I'm missing out on anything.

I can't argue with the fact the topic has run its course though. Bring on Gamescom.