"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.Update read 1st page

[freshseth83]

Plural is used cause "standard cars" is plural as well.

"Standard cars do not support interior camera view" is grammatically incorrect. That's like saying there's one shared view for all these 800 cars. It's plural because all 800 cars don't support the interior camera view. Car number 1 doesn't support it, number 2 doesn't, and number 800 doesn't -- carS. And if they said "standard car does not support interior camera view" it doesn't make proper sense either. They said it in the most adequate and proper manner.

Standard cars is plural because there's more than one Standard car. Of course they had to keep it plural because that's the way the english language is spoken and written. Of course it doesn't mean that the views is plural therefor the cars have to be plural. There are other ways of wording the sentence. But you have to remember that it was taken from Japanese.

"Standard cars do not support interior camera views." That is what this thread is all about. But We could change it around a bit and say this; "Standard cars do not support camera views of the interiors." Those words do not say anything about a driving position. They say camera views. And in my opinion camera views are not driving views. If the article or site said "Standard cars do not support interior driving camera views." it'd be all over. Of course it doesn't say that. It has nothing containing the driving aspect.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

On the back of GT5: Prologue's disc case, it says "Interior dash view"

Why not "Interior camera view"?

Camera view seems so ambiguous when there is a robust Photo Mode and even a cool replay mode.

 

[freshseth83]

Don't worry I just want to avoid some pointing out,because if I'm wrong(by 60% of possibilities,maybe 75%)I don't want to be treated like an idiot,BTW freshseth83 don't take it so seriously is just a possibility that I am right,calm down a bit, lets just wait until gamescom,we're coming back to the plural issue again

Calm down? Getting worked up on an internet forum isn't in my forte. In other words a logical debate doesn't get my blood boiling. It does however stimulate my mind and that's why I've come up with some thoughts about the whole situation. I've payed attention to your posts and everyone elses as well. I don't speak Japanese but I do read manga and the translation errors are even in the best of translators. Because you noticed something in the Japanese site that differentiates from the American site I realized that not even this translation is 100% accurate to what was said. The point was made but the wording isn't accurate. That's not to say the translators don't know what the Japanese words are, or mean. But rather what I'm saying is that a general translation is not going to reveal everything that the original text meant.

 

[Tenacious D]

"Standard cars do not support interior camera view" is grammatically incorrect. That's like saying there's one shared view for all these 800 cars.

"Apples do not have the taste of a plum."

I don't mean to belabor this point, but your point isn't really correct. Your quotationed text is actually right, even though "quotationed" isn't an actual word.

But overall, your arguments are well founded. I do think that both sides have some cause to consider their points seriously, though.

 

[Dravonic]

This is the exact sentence:

Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

Let me try and break it down into how the two groups are reading it:





To put it another way, the same sentence can either mean, there is no support for cameras in the vehicles interior, or, there is no support for camera views of the vehicle interior.

Don't they both mean there aren't any cameras showing the interior?

 

[JDMKING13]

"Apples do not have the taste of a plum."

I don't mean to belabor this point, but your point isn't really correct. Your quotationed text is actually right, even though "quotationed" isn't an actual word.

But overall, your arguments are well founded. I do think that both sides have some cause to consider their points seriously, though.

I totally agree with you! Both sides have a point and i respected everyone post and opinion, it just makes me shake my head when people express their opinion and tell others that there crazy or worship PD as god or any other comments trying to diss other members.

 

[SuperShouden]

Don't they both mean there aren't any cameras showing the interior?

no. "No camera views IN the interior of the car" would mean no cockpit view or anything like that. "No camera views OF the interior of the car" means that there might be a cockpit view in racing, but you'd not be able to take photos of it during photmode. (By the way, I just thought of something, Kaz and Chris mentioned that you'd now be able to pause a race and snap a photo of the action. Does that mean, if there aren't any photos of the interior of the standard cars, you'd be snapped out of the cockpit if there is one?)

 

[Dravonic]

no. "No camera views IN the interior of the car" would mean no cockpit view or anything like that. "No camera views OF the interior of the car" means that there might be a cockpit view in racing, but you'd not be able to take photos of it during photmode. (By the way, I just thought of something, Kaz and Chris mentioned that you'd now be able to pause a race and snap a photo of the action. Does that mean, if there aren't any photos of the interior of the standard cars, you'd be snapped out of the cockpit if there is one?)

Except PD never said the bold phrase. It's captain's interpretation of a different reading of what PD indeed say, but I just can't see how he reached such an interpretation. Both mean no cameras inside the car to me.

 

[freshseth83]

It's easy to come to a conclusion that there's no cockpit view because of the statement. But like i said, Camera views do not mean driver views. Weve seen evidence of this with GT5P. Dashboard view. Not Dashboard camera view. Not dashboard interior camera view.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

From the E3 2010 thread:

-- 3D/ Face Tracking --
- [Gives full perspective of vehicle interior for an immersed experience]

I had argued this before. Because standard cars will likely only have a dashboard view, the facetracking might not work for standard cars because it does not support "full perspective of vehicle's interior"

That's what 'camera views' could be referring to.

Nonetheless, that's bad news for fans who wanted headtracking for all cars.

So, now, the debate is kicked up another level. I'd say this is an even debate.

Team cockpit is in full effect. I love it.

McLaren and Conquerer, come back to argue these points.

 

[SuperShouden]

Except PD never said the bold phrase. It's captain's interpretation of a different reading of what PD indeed say, but I just can't see how he reached such an interpretation. Both mean no cameras inside the car to me.

they've never said "in" or "of." Unless you count the "in" of "interior." but it says "Standard cars do not support interior camera view."

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Cockpits for standard cars:

It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views".
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[1] That simply means that the new and improved Photo Mode will not allow for any vehicle interior camera views of a standard car. It means you cannot use the camera to see the vehicle's interior. Why not? Because it's a very vague PS2/PSP rendering, therefore, PD does not want us to see any interior view of it when taking photos (zooming in). Or to go even further, it means the camera cannot actually "enter" the car (as if it were a passenger in the car). It means it cannot be inside of the car and snap photos of the interior because the interior does not exist. And if you ever played GT4, you know the cars have always had a very dark tint because the interior is hardly modeled. But Photo Mode is not in-game racing, so a cockpit can be available during gameplay.
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[2] Also, we have yet to see in-game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. Therefore, it cannot be said that standard cars do not have cockpits in gameplay. At least let us see in-game footage at a demo before we totally debunk this theory.
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[3] From the E3 2010 thread:

-- 3D/ Face Tracking --
- [Gives full perspective of vehicle interior for an immersed experience]

Because standard cars will likely only have a dashboard/cockpit view, the face-tracking might not work for standard cars because it does not support a"full perspective of vehicle's interior". Or it could mean that while in a standard car, we can only look left and right (like in Prologue). It's that simple! That's what 'camera views' could be referring to. Nothing more nothing less. And it makes much sense because only premium cars should have multiple 'camera views' because their interior has been modeled down to the last stitch (both front, back, and from side to side).

The fact that premium cars get "full perspective" while using head-tracking gives much credibility to the fact that standard cars will only have a "limited perspective"; a single cockpit view.
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This is now too easy.

 

[Mubble]

^^^ this.

 

[freshseth83]

they've never said "in" or "of." Unless you count the "in" of "interior." but it says "Standard cars do not support interior camera view."

When you think about it, it makes a little bit of sense that they'll show you the interior of standard cars but only to a point. Say were racing and you see a standard car on track and you can't see into it. That's a camera view isn't it? I don't think so. I don't think every time you see a standard car you won't see an interior. You know it's funny because before, 'interior' meant something besides the inside of the car. It used to be 'innards' or something along those lines. Interior damage we know wont be in standard cars but that doesn't go to say there will be no interiors in standard cars. It just makes sense to me that the 'camera views' refer to replays or photo-mode or maybe even upgrades? If customization is a big part of GT5 and there is a way to upgrade your car, perhaps (like in NFS Shift) you can strip the interior and leave the racing seat and roll cage. If that is true (I think so because in all GT games stripped interior is an upgrade option) perhaps that 'interior' won't be what it was anymore an is now the 'interior' of the car. Or 'underneeth' the seats, upholstery etc.

 

[Dravonic]

they've never said "in" or "of." Unless you count the "in" of "interior." but it says "Standard cars do not support interior camera view."

Sorry, I'm not expressing it right.

What I mean is how did Captain Roh interpreted this:

Standard cars, do not support, (vehicle interior) camera views.

Into meaning this:

there is no support for camera views of the vehicle interior.

Because to me it means there are no cameras in the vehicle interior.

 

[freshseth83]

Sorry, I'm not expressing it right.

What I mean is how did Captain Roh interpreted this:



Into meaning this:



Because to me it means there are no cameras in the vehicle interior.

You know what, we all can get really technical here and say that the 'interior view' isn't at all the 'cockpit view' because in reality it's not the 'interior' at all. That view is from the drivers helmet or his eyes. So that's not even the vehicle or interior view, it's more like 'driver/racer/helmet view'

 

[SrRd RacinG]

It's really easy to defend. And I will be adding more numbers as more information is passed along. If it is proven true that they are cockpitless, then I am a dead man.

But the list is just speculation and I am actually prepared for there to be no cockpits on 800+ standard cars.

However, you're a fool if you do not read all my points (or team hopefuls' points) and simply listen to McLaren, or the other passionate know-it-alls.
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Cockpits for standard cars:

It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views".
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[1] That simply means that the new and improved Photo Mode will not allow for any vehicle interior camera views of a standard car. It means you cannot use the camera to see the vehicle's interior. Why not? Because it's a very vague PS2/PSP rendering, therefore, PD does not want us to see any interior view of it when taking photos (zooming in). Or to go even further, it means the camera cannot actually "enter" the car (as if it were a passenger in the car). It means it cannot be inside of the car and snap photos of the interior because the interior does not exist. And if you ever played GT4, you know the cars have always had a very dark tint because the interior is hardly modeled. But Photo Mode is not in-game racing, so a cockpit can be available during gameplay.
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[2] Also, we have yet to see in-game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. Therefore, it cannot be said that standard cars do not have cockpits in gameplay. At least let us see in-game footage at a demo before we totally debunk this theory.
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[3] From the E3 2010 thread:

-- 3D/ Face Tracking --
- [Gives full perspective of vehicle interior for an immersed experience]

Because standard cars will likely only have a dashboard/cockpit view, the face-tracking might not work for standard cars because it does not support a "full perspective of vehicle's interior". Or it could mean that while in a standard car, we can only look left and right (like in Prologue). It's that simple! That's what 'camera views' could be referring to. Nothing more nothing less. And it makes much sense because only premium cars should have multiple 'camera views' because their interior has been modeled down to the last stitch (both front, back, and from side to side).

The fact that premium cars get "full perspective" while using head-tracking gives much credibility to the fact that standard cars will only have a "limited perspective" while using head-tracking (if it's allowed on standard cars); a single cockpit view
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[SuperShouden]

yeah. for me, I won't care either way. I might use cockpit view when using standard cars, but I can always use Chase or hood views for racing standard. Isn't going to effect me either way.

Question: Will removing weight and things be accurately portrayed in the cockpit views? I mean, if you drive a stock Mustang, there will be a back seat and stuff, but if you tune and remove the seats and things, when you get back in it, will the interior change?

 

[JDMKING13]

yeah. for me, I won't care either way. I might use cockpit view when using standard cars, but I can always use Chase or hood views for racing standard. Isn't going to effect me either way.

Question: Will removing weight and things be accurately portrayed in the cockpit views? I mean, if you drive a stock Mustang, there will be a back seat and stuff, but if you tune and remove the seats and things, when you get back in it, will the interior change?

That might be for Premium cars i don't know about standard cars

 

[JDMKING13]

It's really easy to defend. And I will be adding more numbers as more information is passed along. If it is proven true that they are cockpitless, then I am a dead man.

But the list is just speculation and I am actually prepared for there to be no cockpits on 800+ standard cars.

However, you're a fool if you do not read all my points (or team hopefuls' points) and simply listen to McLaren, or the other passionate know-it-alls.
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Cockpits for standard cars:

It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views".
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[1] That simply means that the new and improved Photo Mode will not allow for any vehicle interior camera views of a standard car. It means you cannot use the camera to see the vehicle's interior. Why not? Because it's a very vague PS2/PSP rendering, therefore, PD does not want us to see any interior view of it when taking photos (zooming in). Or to go even further, it means the camera cannot actually "enter" the car (as if it were a passenger in the car). It means it cannot be inside of the car and snap photos of the interior because the interior does not exist. And if you ever played GT4, you know the cars have always had a very dark tint because the interior is hardly modeled. But Photo Mode is not in-game racing, so a cockpit can be available during gameplay.
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[2] Also, we have yet to see in-game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. Therefore, it cannot be said that standard cars do not have cockpits in gameplay. At least let us see in-game footage at a demo before we totally debunk this theory.
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[3] From the E3 2010 thread:

-- 3D/ Face Tracking --
- [Gives full perspective of vehicle interior for an immersed experience]

Because standard cars will likely only have a dashboard/cockpit view, the face-tracking might not work for standard cars because it does not support a"full perspective of vehicle's interior". Or it could mean that while in a standard car, we can only look left and right (like in Prologue). It's that simple! That's what 'camera views' could be referring to. Nothing more nothing less. And it makes much sense because only premium cars should have multiple 'camera views' because their interior has been modeled down to the last stitch (both front, back, and from side to side).

The fact that premium cars get "full perspective" while using head-tracking gives much credibility to the fact that standard cars will only have a "limited perspective" while using head-tracking; a single cockpit view.
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All day^^^ like you said i don't care if they are in or not GT5 is still going to be the best racing for any console hands down. I have a strong feeling though we will get some type of interior dash view 👍

 

[Dravonic]

Question: Will removing weight and things be accurately portrayed in the cockpit views? I mean, if you drive a stock Mustang, there will be a back seat and stuff, but if you tune and remove the seats and things, when you get back in it, will the interior change?

I hope so. That would be epic.

 

[SuperShouden]

Especially with all the complaining we've been doing.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I actually think my newest argument, (#3), is the best.

It really hits hard the fact that premium cars are just better detailed inside.

And that gives hope to the notion that standard cars do one basic thing; and that basic thing is a cockpit view; whereas premium cars render all parts of the interior (multiple camera views).

 

[JDMKING13]

I actually think my newest argument (#3), is the best.

It really hits hard the fact that premium cars are just better detailed inside.

And that gives hope that standard cars do the basic thing; and that basic thing is a cockpit view.

👍 If you read the whole section about the standard cars and the premium cars all it talks about is DETAIL It says nothing about driving views. It shows how beautiful the Premium cars are in and out and gives great detail about how detailed they are. This is not the case for standard cars its a small desription saying "The massive lineup of cars from past Gran Turismo games has been beautifully recreated through the latest technology and the Playstation 3’s cutting-edge graphics.

Gran Turismo 5 feature an astounding 800+ cars, a vast collection covering a wide range of eras and categories." Then you see a picture of standard cars with all blacked out windows makes you go WTF why cant i see in the interior like the premium models This is why they have that small message *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views. It lets us know there will be no viewing of the interior from any camera mode. Again has nothing to do with actual driving the car from a Interior dash view.

 

[SuperShouden]

I actually think my newest argument, (#3), is the best.

It really hits hard the fact that premium cars are just better detailed inside.

And that gives hope to the notion that standard cars do one basic thing; and that basic thing is a cockpit view; whereas premium cars render all parts of the interior (multiple camera views).

ain't that basically what Kaz said? "The difference between Premium cars and Standard cars is really in the details"

 

[gtracedriver]

Cockpits for standard cars:

It's simple. The GT site says "Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views".
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[1] That simply means that the new and improved Photo Mode will not allow for any vehicle interior camera views of a standard car. It means you cannot use the camera to see the vehicle's interior. Why not? Because it's a very vague PS2/PSP rendering, therefore, PD does not want us to see any interior view of it when taking photos (zooming in). Or to go even further, it means the camera cannot actually "enter" the car (as if it were a passenger in the car). It means it cannot be inside of the car and snap photos of the interior because the interior does not exist. And if you ever played GT4, you know the cars have always had a very dark tint because the interior is hardly modeled. But Photo Mode is not in-game racing, so a cockpit can be available during gameplay.
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[2] Also, we have yet to see in-game footage of a standard car, so that is a clear reason why we have yet to see a cockpit of a standard car. Therefore, it cannot be said that standard cars do not have cockpits in gameplay. At least let us see in-game footage at a demo before we totally debunk this theory.
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[3] From the E3 2010 thread:

-- 3D/ Face Tracking --
- [Gives full perspective of vehicle interior for an immersed experience]

Because standard cars will likely only have a dashboard/cockpit view, the face-tracking might not work for standard cars because it does not support a"full perspective of vehicle's interior". Or it could mean that while in a standard car, we can only look left and right (like in Prologue). It's that simple! That's what 'camera views' could be referring to. Nothing more nothing less. And it makes much sense because only premium cars should have multiple 'camera views' because their interior has been modeled down to the last stitch (both front, back, and from side to side).

The fact that premium cars get "full perspective" while using head-tracking gives much credibility to the fact that standard cars will only have a "limited perspective"; a single cockpit view.
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This is now too easy.

Well said

 

[Dravonic]

The truth is you people are so inebriate with GT5's alleged greatness, you just can't fathom it can have such a overwhelming flaw.

Nobody can change that apparently.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

It always goes back to headtracking for me.you really do need a cockpit in it for it to work...

 

[SrRd RacinG]

It always goes back to headtracking for me.you really do need a cockpit in it for it to work...

Head-tracking and Photo Mode pose a huge blockade in front of the "no cockpit" debate.

It gives it some...."meat". It really does.

I am not really picking sides, but because most of the comments are negative, I am trying to inspire some sort of hope or rational thoughts.

But I can totally understand if 800+ (limited) detailed cockpits were too tough to handle for PD. But come on, GT PSP had at least a black frame.

 

[JDMKING13]

The truth is you people are so inebriate with GT5's alleged greatness, you just can't fathom it can have such a overwhelming flaw.

Nobody can change that apparently.

These are the post I'm talking about Its one thing when a person comes on here and says O their is going to be cockpit view because they design the Golf GTI Interior dash in GT5P why wouldn't they do it for a standard car so anybody saying there is no cockpit view is stupid. Nah thats not the case there are mature people stating and providing good evidence to back up there argument. Whatever man.