"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.Update read 1st page

[Mubble]

If you look at the photos of Corvette C5R, the windshield seems to be darkly tinted

That C5R doesn't have tinted windows. It's the angle of photography coupled with black carpeting behind the driver. No race car that races in variable light (night and day) would have tinted windows. In fact you can clearly see the rear spolier through the front and side window (to the left hand side of the photo).

ie: http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/corvetteC6Rracing_5(2).JPG

 

[maxpontiac]

OK. So the top of the first (with some email confirmation) post states there will be a cockpit view in the standard cars.

Whether it's factual or not isn't important. What is important is the fact this place is going to be nothing but an never ending debate.

sigh...

 

[alfredchiwai]

Is this my first post here? Can't remember!

My wife is japanese and she translated from the official PD site that standard cars will not have interior view. The reason for the confusion is: the word PD uses, does not have a corresponding word in english and not in german either.

Please excuse any wrong spelling or grammar, cause I'm not a native speaker.

So, the meaning has been lost in translation. We need some English native speakers who work for PD to clarify officially. Debate is useless because of the translation confusion.

 

[Eric.]

That's the most annoying looking first post I've ever tried to read. And we're using MySpace as a source for this? Brilliant.

 

[Owen.C93]

That's the most annoying looking first post I've ever tried to read. And we're using MySpace as a source for this? Brilliant.

And youtube!!

 

[JDMKING13]

That's the most annoying looking first post I've ever tried to read. And we're using MySpace as a source for this? Brilliant.

Actually the guy is a hardcore gamer who was at E3. He was kind enough to send one of our members a email response answering his question about the standard cockpit situation saying yes they will have cockpits. I also posted that this is not 100% true. for the fact manys people dont know him i still thank him for his time.

Sorry for the annoying 1st page. The 1st page represents info and arguments that i use to back my opinion up on the issue with standard cars not having cockpits. This whole thread is about people putting mature arguments posting why they feel or feel not cockpit racing view will be for standard cars.

In the end we have not seen a standard car being actually driven.

People really need to grow up its real hard to keep a mature conversation. @ owen Have we got any other better sources i don't think so if we have these debates would not go on. When we saw some GT5 footage for the 1st from the 24hour race it was from youtube, that was acceptable right ? Grow up.

 

[MasterFocus]

Unfortunately, despite all of these details, there is still much confusion regarding the status of interior views on the 800+ “standard” car models in the game. Kotaku provides the most optimistic description:

The developers have created fully modeled interiors for the Premium cars, as well as doing detailed modeling for the car’s undercarriage and even the exhaust pipes! The Standard cars apparently won’t have the exact interior modeling. For example, an Enzo’s interior will look like the real deal, but your typical Mustang’s will look like exactly like Mustang’s.

not sure how to read that, but one option can be that standard cars will have an interior view but with a generic dash, like in the sentence

For example, an Enzo’s interior will look like the real deal, but your typical Mustang’s will look like exactly like Mustang’s.

all the mustang from a given year, will all have the same dash/color regardless of model trim and some detail will be missing, like stiching in upholstery
but dont quote me on that, that just one of many possibilities

 

[mykem]

That C5R doesn't have tinted windows. It's the angle of photography coupled with black carpeting behind the driver. No race car that races in variable light (night and day) would have tinted windows. In fact you can clearly see the rear spolier through the front and side window (to the left hand side of the photo).

ie: http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/corvetteC6Rracing_5(2).JPG

You do notice those are two different cars- the one I posted is the C5R, one of GT5's Standard Car. The one link you've posted is to the newer C6R. I agree I shouldn't have said tinted except that they do appear dark

 

[JDMKING13]

not sure how to read that, but one option can be that standard cars will have an interior view but with a generic dash, like in the sentence all the mustang from a given year, will all have the same dash/color regardless of model trim and some detail will be missing, like stiching in upholstery
but dont quote me on that, that just one of many possibilities

Thank you masterfocus again i'm not saying what he is saying is 100% but it makes me feel a little better on the topic unlike many on GTP with the motto think negative so your not disappointed

 

[MasterFocus]

you're welcome
BTW with or without interior view, I will be enjoying all those 1000 cars ;p

 

[JDMKING13]

you're welcome
btw with or without interior view, i will be enjoying all those 1000 cars ;p

jeah!!!

 

[RufusGonePunk]

Ok, my Japanese man says "standard car does not support the interior visual point." This is a native Japanese speaker; he can be trusted. I'm assuming that visual point means camera angle, and as much as I'd like to believe that the creator of this thread is right, I don't think he is. Sorry guys, as much as I hoped (and believed) that there were going to be cockpits, my hope is almost completely gone.

Right, so we've worked that out. Now we need to work out what the "interior viewpoint" is!
I personally believe this is going to be different angles of the interior, like in the Ferrari 458 videos. So for example, a camera behind the passenger seat, one in the footwell, drivers point of view. Otherwise, what's the point of recreating the interiors down to the stitch if we'll only be able to see them from the drivers point of view?
Also, another possibility touches on what you define interior as. I have seen several videos of car with cameras mounted in the wheel arches, looking at the suspension working, cameras underneath the car looking backwards and cameras pointed at the exhausts. Just a thought
As with most of this thread, this is all speculation. However, I'm yet to see an official PD/Sony source say 'there will be no cockpits for standard cars' (Notice I said cockpit, not interior!)
So, until then, I'm going to keep the faith! I've never been around so many pessimists! Kaz hasn't let us down so far!

 

[JDMKING13]

Right, so we've worked that out. Now we need to work out what the "interior viewpoint" is!
I personally believe this is going to be different angles of the interior, like in the Ferrari 458 videos. So for example, a camera behind the passenger seat, one in the footwell, drivers point of view. Otherwise, what's the point of recreating the interiors down to the stitch if we'll only be able to see them from the drivers point of view?
Also, another possibility touches on what you define interior as. I have seen several videos of car with cameras mounted in the wheel arches, looking at the suspension working, cameras underneath the car looking backwards and cameras pointed at the exhausts. Just a thought
As with most of this thread, this is all speculation. However, I'm yet to see an official PD/Sony source say 'there will be no cockpits for standard cars' (Notice I said cockpit, not interior!)
So, until then, I'm going to keep the faith! I've never been around so many pessimists! Kaz hasn't let us down so far!

Im with you on that hope is still alive for me. 👍

 

[djs]

Kaz hasn't let us down so far!

There's always the first time...

 

[Guffaluff]

This comment in the IGN Preview really eases my worries:

"The majority of the cars (more than 800) fall into the Standard category and are made up largely of the rides that have been included in all past GT games. But that doesn't mean they're simple copies. All are painstakingly modeled to take advantage of the PS3's graphics shader. They also sport physics-based damage modeling, and they'll show scratches, dust and dents collected during races."

I hope we'll get to see some good still shots of standard cars, as the "showcase" trailer for the standard cars wasn't exactly inspiring

 

[CTznOfTime]

I am not pessimist, i am not against Kaz, i am not PD, i love their work, i love GT, i am not a fanboy, but most of you would think i am.

Having said that, i will be clear with you:

I am almost very certain that there will be NO cockpit view for standard cars.
Please go on the SOny Playstation US website, you will see for yourself...

Premium cars will have everything we have dreamt of!
They did not say that Standard cars will Not have cockpit view... (so some of you would still hope that they have cockpit view) but then if you think about it...

Why the heck would they say on their website something like: Standard does not have cockpit...

It would not be in their advantages, but their are not lying to you either...
They are just not saying what they dont have...

You dont see them say: We do not have Skidmarks, do you?

Does it mean they have it?!

I just dont want you guys to hurt yourself hard when the time comes...
... just trying to prepare you mentally.

 

[Momoniu]

quote : am almost very certain that there will be NO cockpit view for standard cars.
Please go on the SOny Playstation US website, you will see for yourself... : end quote

as it has been said to me, link it or it did not happen

 

[Dracwolley]

Great information, but let me argue you here with my points

You said your man said says "standard car does not support the interior visual point."

If you look at this picture

*snip*

Wouldn't you say in this pic the "standard car does not support the interior visual point." I would. The interior visual point is blacked out by the tinted windows which makes it non matching to its real life counterpart. This is not the case for the premium cars for the fact they are model down to the last stitch.

This to mean still does not mean no cockpit race camera view

Right, so we've worked that out. Now we need to work out what the "interior viewpoint" is!
I personally believe this is going to be different angles of the interior, like in the Ferrari 458 videos. So for example, a camera behind the passenger seat, one in the footwell, drivers point of view. Otherwise, what's the point of recreating the interiors down to the stitch if we'll only be able to see them from the drivers point of view?
Also, another possibility touches on what you define interior as. I have seen several videos of car with cameras mounted in the wheel arches, looking at the suspension working, cameras underneath the car looking backwards and cameras pointed at the exhausts. Just a thought
As with most of this thread, this is all speculation. However, I'm yet to see an official PD/Sony source say 'there will be no cockpits for standard cars' (Notice I said cockpit, not interior!)
So, until then, I'm going to keep the faith! I've never been around so many pessimists! Kaz hasn't let us down so far!

Like I said, I think "visual point" means camera angle. I've gone back to him and asked him if he could simplify it a bit for us, so I'll post that here as well.

@JDMKING: visual point = camera angle for me, not just that you can see it. I'm glad you can, but I don't think there's a camera angle that's inside the cockpit.

@RufusGonePunk: It would be very interesting if we had a camera view of the engine for races

 

[JDMKING13]

I am not pessimist, i am not against Kaz, i am not PD, i love their work, i love GT, i am not a fanboy, but most of you would think i am.

Having said that, i will be clear with you:

I am almost very certain that there will be NO cockpit view for standard cars.
Please go on the SOny Playstation US website, you will see for yourself...

Premium cars will have everything we have dreamt of!
They did not say that Standard cars will Not have cockpit view... (so some of you would still hope that they have cockpit view) but then if you think about it...

Why the heck would they say on their website something like: Standard does not have cockpit...

It would not be in their advantages, but their are not lying to you either...
They are just not saying what they dont have...

You dont see them say: We do not have Skidmarks, do you?

Does it mean they have it?!

I just dont want you guys to hurt yourself hard when the time comes...
... just trying to prepare you mentally.

I understand your argument, however also in the web site it states that both cars will have light however the standard cars don't have high beams only low beam.

this is a feature the standard car does not feature as the premium cars have high and low beams. This can make some gamers upset but Pd put it on their web site to explain the difference.

 

[yogaflame]

6 years and we will just see other cars in tinted glass wow. Forza has all its cars with interior view

 

[JDMKING13]

Like I said, I think "visual point" means camera angle. I've gone back to him and asked him if he could simplify it a bit for us, so I'll post that here as well.

@JDMKING: visual point = camera angle for me, not just that you can see it. I'm glad you can, but I don't think there's a camera angle that's inside the cockpit.

@RufusGonePunk: It would be very interesting if we had a camera view of the engine for races

Fair enough I understand your point 👍 however i will stick with my points. 👍 When we finally see a standard car in some good action we will learn the truth.

 

[chepe371]

This is where i will double you tee ef, if the cars from GT4 that showed interiors(mostly convertibles), like the AC Cobra, Caterham, Alfa Spider 1600, Honda S5-6-800 etc dont have cockpit view, but we can clearly see its cockpit at all times!

I know theyre not that crazy.

 

[tsuchiya]

Fair enough I understand your point 👍 however i will stick with my points. 👍 When we finally see a standard car in some good action we will learn the truth.

Here you are


The windows are tinted so you can´t see the interior. Wonder why? Because there are no interiors to see.

This is the last Premiun cars trailer:

The windows aren´t tinted and 1 of every 2 frames is showing some cars interior. Wonder why? Because premiun cars have cockpits modeled and there is nothing to hide there.

I don´t know where are you trying to go with this, but I don´t like people who play with the illusions of other people.

 

[JDMKING13]

Here you are


The windows are tinted so you can´t see the interior. Wonder why? Because there are no interiors to see.

This is the last Premiun cars trailer:

The windows aren´t tinted and 1 of every 2 frames is showing some cars interior. Wonder why? Because premiun cars have cockpits modeled and there is nothing to hide there.

I don´t know where are you trying to go with this, but I don´t like people who play with the illusions of other people.

You need to calm down nobody is playing illusion those videos do show the premium car interior this is already known. however do they show a video of actual game play in the racing cockpit view no? We Know GT5 premium cars have cockpit racing view because we played GT5P and seen actual vidoes of players driving in cockpit racing view.

This is not the case for Standard cars yes we know the standard cars don't have have there real life counterpart interior this is why the windows are black in the trailer. this is why i think pd put this"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view. One of my arguments is we have not seen actual footage of someone driving a standard car. Knowing this gives me hope when somebody is actual driving a standard car we will see him toggle through the views and cockpit racing view will be there. If this is true i already know the interior will not be as a premium car interior but a generic.

 

[gtracedriver]

Ok, my Japanese man says "standard car does not support the interior visual point." This is a native Japanese speaker; he can be trusted. I'm assuming that visual point means camera angle, and as much as I'd like to believe that the creator of this thread is right, I don't think he is. Sorry guys, as much as I hoped (and believed) that there were going to be cockpits, my hope is almost completely gone.

Hmm ... sometimes I wonder. If "interior visual point" it mean we cannot see details in interior view. Because they said that with head tracking and camera angles too. We can even look sideway inside cockpit view and down and so on ... and we will see great amount of details (for premium cars) but standard car will not support this feature

It is understandable for standard cars not to have those feature but exterior details and cockpit view I am still not sure

 

[MasterFocus]

just thought about something ... what if "standard car" have black interior, like GT PSP, but with the instrument cluster peeking thru the black, with no other detail than the instrument cluster
here's what I mean (from a "pemium" car at night, but you'll get the point)

looking more at it, is it really a "PREMIUM" interior??

 

[JDMKING13]

just thought about something ... what if "standard car" have black interior, like GT PSP, but with the instrument cluster peeking thru the black, with no other detail than the instrument cluster
here's what I mean (from a "pemium" car at night, but you'll get the point)

looking more at it, is it really a "PREMIUM" interior??

I can see that happing and what PD is talking about how standard cars do not represent its corresponding interior real life counterpart as the premium cars are 👍

 

[MasterFocus]

IMO that would be nice too, but it have to be the one from the said car, not a generic one that will fit ALL the 800 "standard"

 

[pLiDeX]

This is not the case for Standard cars yes we know the standard cars don't have have there real life counterpart interior this is why the windows are black in the trailer. this is why i think pd put this"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.

DUDE, are you joking? didn't you read all the posts saying the translation that we get from other translators????

I don't know why you post this bro please explain the USA site and the japan site is slight different in the japan site has a little bulletin that say

※“スタンダードカー”はインテリア視点に対応していません。

※ "Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.

for all of those in doubt, copy and past the Japanese text here

translation:

"The standard car doesn't support an interior viewpoint."

it's like your eyes doesn't see what you don't want to read lol

 

[McLaren]

This is not the case for Standard cars yes we know the standard cars don't have have there real life counterpart interior this is why the windows are black in the trailer. this is why i think pd put this"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view. One of my arguments is we have not seen actual footage of someone driving a standard car. Knowing this gives me hope when somebody is actual driving a standard car we will see him toggle through the views and cockpit racing view will be there. If this is true i already know the interior will not be as a premium car interior but a generic.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. KY told us months ago some cars will not have interiors & all you people did was blame it on a bad translation or that it meant something else. Now, in plain English, we have been told standard cars will not have interior views & yet, people still continue to make excuses that it's there.


It's pathetic.