Standard cars ARE in GT6. (100% confirmed)

[Johnnypenso]

I didn't say how many hardcore compared to casuals there are, you pretend to know casual don't care there is a great consistency issue with premiums and standards. They are not blind and stupid. I bet they do.

In business, care is measured in $$$$$$. 10,000,000 people so far have said, "I don't care enough about the premium/standard issue to not buy the game".

Again, I wish the game was 1200 premiums, but I can see why it's not done. I have no emotional investment in this, and I don't think PD/Kaz does either. It's $$$$ and nothing more. If there was a sales advantage from having all premiums it would be done in a heartbeat, I just think they have bigger fish to fry.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

It's only an issue if you choose it to be.

Give me a break. Is this what people are going to be saying every time there's a flaw? How about this? It'll stop being an issue for me once PD stops giving reasons for them to be. That means, stop making events that can only be completed with a standard car. Let us get as close as possible to a standard car when taking phots of it. Let us take standard cars to photomode. Don't lazily stuff every single standard car into the UCD. Put some of them in the same delarship as the premiums. Maybe THEN I will accept them.

 

[Nattefrost]

It's only an issue if you choose it to be.

Consistency is the key word here. Having 2 contrasting types of quality within the same product is terrible, especially if there's also a functional difference (which was definately the case in GT5). It means you can't rely on certain features consistently, like cockpit view, changing wheels and photo mode (not a functional difference in the strict sense of the word, but for all intents and purposes there is a major difference here).

As for you're statement, it's not like you can just ignore the standards. I've got more standards than premiums in my GT5 garage despite never buying standards, as more of than not the reward for completing an A-spec event is a standard car. They're present as CPU opponents in numerous races as well. And often when choosing from a list of elegible cars for a race, that list almost exclusively consists of standard cars. They're ever present in GT5.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Give me a break. Is this what people are going to be saying every time there's a flaw? How about this? It'll stop being an issue for me once PD stops giving reasons for them to be. That means, stop making events that can only be completed with a standard car. Let us get as close as possible to a standard car when taking phots of it. Let us take standard cars to photomode. Don't lazily stuff every single standard car into the UCD. Put some of them in the same delarship as the premiums. Maybe THEN I will accept them.

If PD converted some standards to premiums as you suggest the complaint would be "why didn't they do them all?".

If they did them all the complaint would still be, "why are there multiple models of the same car"

If they converted them all and there weren't enough new cars coming through the DLC pipeline the complaint would be, "Do you think they spent too much time converting useless standards into premiums that no one drives and that's why we have so few new cars?"

If they converted them all and new cars were in the pipeline but they cost $2-3 each the complaint would be, "I think they spent all their money converting standards to premiums and now they have to make it back on the new cars so I'm not buying them".

 

[shmogt]

If standards are in gt6 I will be pissed. Gt5 just snuck by because it took so long that we all just wanted to play. Forza is now offering a lot better experience with its trading and customizing. Gt6 better be bring something super special to make up for standard cars again and I don't mean every single miata.

 

[defoncateur3k]

I would be more than happy with a couple of "premium interiors", considering the exterior is likely to be very improved with time + tessellation; one premium interior for common cars, one for race cars and that's it. Stick the logo of the brand of car on the wheel and you have a decent premium interior for every car.

I'm on the pro-standards side of the fence; I simply use standards too much to care about the difference in quality. GT3 was nice but, looking back on it, the car selection was too little to keep it interesting.

You anti-standards care more about the display of the cars than the variety of them, right? That's odd but I can conceive that. Here's to hope you'll have the solution of checking a "don't use standards" box, although I don't see it happening.

Plus I'd be very upset of having no DTM cars just because they wouldn't be upgraded to premiums. Don't you guys ever use the DTM, Focus, RUF, Supra, etc? Or the most manly car ever made, the green Renault Mégane '96?

 

[steve30x]

If there are (S) cars in GT6, they should at least look much better than the GT5 ones post patches.

But if they claim: "Vast customization parts for the mayority of cars" That means most cars will be (P) unless they mean Wheels and Spoilers only. Or is this one of the typical claims by SONY/PD that just turn out to be lies?.

You havent considered that they might allow the sstandard cars to have vast customisations too. Its GT6 not GT5. They could have changed this

 

[Nissan Cima]

Well I hope they make a PS4 version without standard cars because I find their continued use of assets from a Playstation 2 and PSP game to be inexcusable. Polyphony's attempt at having more cars than any other game has grossly compromised the quality of the Gran Turismo series. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY!!!!!!!!!!

 

[C_Raccoon23]

If PD converted some standards to premiums as you suggest the complaint would be "why didn't they do them all?".

If they did them all the complaint would still be, "why are there multiple models of the same car"

If they converted them all and there weren't enough new cars coming through the DLC pipeline the complaint would be, "Do you think they spent too much time converting useless standards into premiums that no one drives and that's why we have so few new cars?"

If they converted them all and new cars were in the pipeline but they cost $2-3 each the complaint would be, "I think they spent all their money converting standards to premiums and now they have to make it back on the new cars so I'm not buying them".

I don't ever recall saying I only wanted some converted to premium. My standing is that ALL standard cars should be removed so we can have consistent car models, just like every other racing game out there.

 

[PepeMickey]

I would be more than happy with a couple of "premium interiors", considering the exterior is likely to be very improved with time + tessellation; one premium interior for common cars, one for race cars and that's it. Stick the logo of the brand of car on the wheel and you have a decent premium interior for every car.

I'm on the pro-standards side of the fence; I simply use standards too much to care about the difference in quality. GT3 was nice but, looking back on it, the car selection was too little to keep it interesting.

You anti-standards care more about the display of the cars than the variety of them, right? That's odd but I can conceive that. Here's to hope you'll have the solution of checking a "don't use standards" box, although I don't see it happening.

Plus I'd be very upset of having no DTM cars just because they wouldn't be upgraded to premiums. Don't you guys ever use the DTM, Focus, RUF, Supra, etc? Or the most manly car ever made, the green Renault Mégane '96?

The problem (more than quality) are the restrictions, having no cockpit view, no photo travel, etc. We don't really need ''Premium'' quality cars, that's what KY fails to see, he could easily meet the 1200 car mark if he just outsourced the models, yes they wouldn't be super pretty but as long as they are complete and functional I wouldn't mind at all.

You just need the exterior to look like the car it's supposed to be, a visible interior and damage, that's it...No need for 326372648237398 polys with fully modeled stitches and leather seats.

 

[Nattefrost]

I would be more than happy with a couple of "premium interiors", considering the exterior is likely to be very improved with time + tessellation; one premium interior for common cars, one for race cars and that's it. Stick the logo of the brand of car on the wheel and you have a decent premium interior for every car.

I'm on the pro-standards side of the fence; I simply use standards too much to care about the difference in quality. GT3 was nice but, looking back on it, the car selection was too little to keep it interesting.

You anti-standards care more about the display of the cars than the variety of them, right? That's odd but I can conceive that. Here's to hope you'll have the solution of checking a "don't use standards" box, although I don't see it happening.

Plus I'd be very upset of having no DTM cars just because they wouldn't be upgraded to premiums. Don't you guys ever use the DTM, Focus, RUF, Supra, etc? Or the most manly car ever made, the green Renault Mégane '96?

That's an assumption on your part and as far as I'm concerned, a misguided one. It's not a preference of visuals over variety, rather a preference of quality over quantity. A well balanced, varied car roster of 300-400 cars with a very good level of detail, but a level or two below GT5/GT6, would've been a far more desirable situation than what we've got now.

The problem is PD went too far with the level of detail on the Premiums (which can only be described as a complete failure to correctly utilize their available time and resources) and the fact they're too obsessed with oddball cars and mundane, uninteresting Japanese manufacturers to create a balanced, interesting to drive and fun to compete set that's limited in size.

 

[avens]

Well I hope they make a PS4 version without standard cars because I find their continued use of assets from a Playstation 2 and PSP game to be inexcusable. Polyphony's attempt at having more cars than any other game has grossly compromised the quality of the Gran Turismo series. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY!!!!!!!!!!

What would be better for customers is to release GT7, in lets say late 2016, with all premium cars and tracks. A brand new game.

 

[NCRthree]

I don't ever recall saying I only wanted some converted to premium. My standing is that ALL standard cars should be removed so we can have consistent car models, just like every other racing game out there.

Sadly, it's just a business decision. Doesn't matter if we like it, don't like it or won't accept it. I'm waiting to hear what Jordan's interview contains on this topic.

 

[Prodigy122]

You havent considered that they might allow the sstandard cars to have vast customisations too. Its GT6 not GT5. They could have changed this

This is what I'm thinking they will do. If this is the case, and the standard cars are improved in terms of graphics, I will be very happy

I don't ever recall saying I only wanted some converted to premium. My standing is that ALL standard cars should be removed so we can have consistent car models, just like every other racing game out there.

I agree that the Gran Turismo series should have a uniform car model system (i.e. all premium).

And while I do believe that we will have NO MORE standard cars in GT7, it is hard for me to accept that all the standards could be gone for GT6 when it is on the same platform as GT5 and only a couple years later. Therefore, I won't be too upset to see standard cars, AS LONG AS they have been updated graphically.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

It would be great if all the standards from GT5 were premium but I don;t really expect that. It the exterior was upgraded to premium or near premium and you could change the wheels spoilers that would be ok to. I really don't care about the interior.

I would much rather have standards in the game than loose some of the cars that were standard in GT5 many of my favorite cars were standard.

The most important things to me that I would like to see are
1: Leaderboards for all tracks/cars
2: Hood view option or cockpit view that can be adjusted very far forward so as to only see the hood and perhaps a tiny bit of the top of the dash.
3: More challenging A-Spec events in career mode. At least restrict the tires in some of the events like they did in the B-Spec events.
4: Tire wear, One of my gripes with GT5 was that you could use Soft Race tires in pretty much every event and they did not wear out quickly enough. In fact it seemed that the soft race tires lasted as long as the hard sport tires.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

^ They already said "ALL the cars from GT5 are in GT6". So you wont be losing any cars. BUT how improved are the standards?

1. I want to be able to bring EVERY car to Autovista including standards.
2. Interiors MUST be upgraded. Black electrical tape outline is beyond laughable.
3. I want full customization just like the premium models.
4. We should be able to purchase more standards from the new car dealership. I cant stand filtering through the used car dealership for 80% of the cars in the game. That just plain sucks.

The first 3 are VERY important. The bottom line is we should not be able to notice any difference between these "standards" compared to premiums. Some subtle visual differences would be acceptable. But this is over 8 years later since they started working on GT5!! No excuse for this standard crap that was in GT5 to carry over to GT6!

 

[Scaff]

This is not a GT vs FM thread and it will not turn into one, you want to discuss that we have threads for it.

Next person that tries to do so will be given a 24 hour ban.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't ever recall saying I only wanted some converted to premium. My standing is that ALL standard cars should be removed so we can have consistent car models, just like every other racing game out there.

If GT reduced the car count by 800 there would be outrage amongst most GT fans. People would come out of the woodwork saying, "I never complained about Standards why did they take away my favourite car the 199X Blah blah blah". That will never happen. Conversely if they convert everything to premium, resources will have to be diverted from something else to make this happen. Personally I don't want resources diverted from features that enhance gameplay for example, so that the 1998 S2000 Type V Euro Edition can look cool in a picture and have a nice interior.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[CCXRacer]

If GT reduced the car count by 800 there would be outrage amongst most GT fans. People would come out of the woodwork saying, "I never complained about Standards why did they take away my favourite car the 199X Blah blah blah". That will never happen. Conversely if they convert everything to premium, resources will have to be diverted from something else to make this happen. Personally I don't want resources diverted from features that enhance gameplay for example, so that the 1998 S2000 Type V Euro Edition can look cool in a picture and have a nice interior.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Except there are many cars worthy of premium quality that sadly may not receive it. Not just your duplicates.

 

[GTPorsche]

What resources would be diverted? They have teams that work on different aspects of the game. Car modelers wouldn't be working on physics or tracks.

 

[shadynader]

I'm here to read speculation and genuine opinions from different people on all things GT6. Not here for people repeating their own opinions over and over again like a stuck record on groundhog day. or discussing FM v GT. So turn it in guys you are wasting my time.

In fact I wrote this two years ago just change the name of the games this one and vice versa.

A completely pointless read to the unbiased racing fans who frequent these forums. I DON'T CARE about GT5! I have that game, its in my PS3 ready to go when I feel like. I'm here to discuss or read about information regarding FM4. It is exactly the same as (even the same people in most cases) the GT5 forum before release. I didn't care about FM3, I had that in my xbox ready to go when i felt like it.

EDIT:

This is not a GT vs FM thread and it will not turn into one, you want to discuss that we have threads for it.

Next person that tries to do so will be given a 24 hour ban.

Sorry I started writing that before your post Scaff. Please don't banslap me!

 

[RcWr]

4. We should be able to purchase more standards from the new car dealership. I cant stand filtering through the used car dealership for 80% of the cars in the game. That just plain sucks.

Disagree. For me, it's one of the enjoyable things to do - looks for that rare car and real life situation. That's just stupid to buy completely brand new 1986 Honda Civic. Would never happen in real life. If you want it to be brand new, rebuild it (GT5 already has it). Or wait for the "0 km" rarity (has it too).

In these cases I think there should be like several difficulty levels regarding questions like above.

P.S. I am one of those guys who use standards more than Premiums..

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Disagree. For me, it's one of the enjoyable things to do - looks for that rare car and real life situation. That's just stupid to buy completely brand new 1986 Honda Civic. Would never happen in real life. If you want it to be brand new, rebuild it (GT5 already has it). Or wait for the "0 km" rarity (has it too).

In these cases I think there should be like several difficulty levels regarding questions like above.

P.S. I am one of those guys who use standards more than Premiums..

I liked the used car dealership a lot. Always have in the GT games. But not ALL the standard cars need to be in there. A 1986 Honda Civic is understandable but how often are you going to find a used Bugatti in real life? Hopefully they dial this in for GT6. I mean having to search for 800 (80%) of the cars was a bit frustrating at times since the used car dealership has a rotation based on days. So if the car you need isn't in there, you could be waiting a LONG time.

 

[maxpontiac]

?? most don't care? it's the single most requested, and talked about issue with Gt5.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=282284

^ Over 10.5 million have purchased GT5 with nearly half of it AFTER the standard car issue was well known.

As of this post, there are 240,315 people registered at GTPlanet, and even then, the majority don't care enough to come here and complain about the standards.

Some of you really need to weigh out the facts before making gross assumptions such as that. I love GTPlanet, but this place doesn't have enough traffic to warrant such a facetious remark.

 

[RcWr]

I liked the used car dealership a lot. Always have. But not ALL the standard cars need to be in there. A 1986 Honda Civic is understandable but how often are you going to find a used Bugatti in real life? Hopefully they dial this in for GT6.

Got to agree with you on this one. New cars should definetely be in the new cars dealership. The used cars idea though, is awesome.

The thing is, for us, true fans and skilled GT players, there is no real challenge. I remember when I got GT5. First hour and I already have a lot of monster cars. Used cars dealership in this case, keeps me playing because I can't buy them all in 5 minutes. Anyway, that's just my fetish I guess

 

[HaylRayzor]

Put me in the "don't care" group. Well, more like "care only a little".

There are many issues with GT5 that are way more important to me.

If they at least clean up the standards a little I'll be fine with it.

 

[Spagetti69]

If GT reduced the car count by 800 there would be outrage amongst most GT fans. People would come out of the woodwork saying, "I never complained about Standards why did they take away my favourite car the 199X Blah blah blah". That will never happen.

Yep PD sure have created a monster. It can only escalate from here.

 

[RcWr]

Yep PD sure have created a monster. It can only escalate from here.

Is it a problem though? They are upgradint to the Premiums and they are slow at this. However, some of you seems like forgot the fact, that nobody forces you to use standards. Just take this as the game has 500 cars and that's all.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=282284

^ Over 10.5 million have purchased GT5 with nearly half of it AFTER the standard car issue was well known.

As of this post, there are 240,315 people registered at GTPlanet, and even then, the majority don't care enough to come here and complain about the standards.

Some of you really need to weigh out the facts before making gross assumptions such as that. I love GTPlanet, but this place doesn't have enough traffic to warrant such a facetious remark.

If the standards were not an issue then KY would have never spent the last few years updating the 800 standards. All 800 standards have been updated one way or another in GT5. Added generic interiors, some have better interiors, wheels can now be swapped, and more. Clearly its an issue when its 80% of the game. If it was not an issue it would never have been touched. That's not including whatever they have improved from GT5 to GT6.

Is it a problem though? They are upgradint to the Premiums and they are slow at this. However, some of you seems like forgot the fact, that nobody forces you to use standards. Just take this as the game has 500 cars and that's all.

Actually you can NOT complete GT5 without using standards. Its impossible. So YES you are forced to use standards if you want to make progress in the game. You know how quick the A Spec campaign would be over if you only used the 200 (20%) available premium cars? Good luck with that.

 

[GT'S BiG FaN]

Well, PD have approximately 110 employees, so they must have around 20 employees working on scanning and modeling cars.
I'm sure they have turned the 800 standard cars to premium cars in the past 3 years (hopefully!).