Standard cars ARE in GT6. (100% confirmed)

[Prodigy122]

I could see 1200 premium cars being possible. One main reason is because of Blu Ray.

The biggest barrier to this is time management. I could see it being possible though...

 

[Spagetti69]

I could see 1200 premium cars being possible. One main reason is because of Blu Ray.

Great, I need a garage extension built ill hire a couple of blue rays.

Edit Blu Ray. Lol.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Have they removed the standard versions of the cars premium'd or are they still in bolstering the car count?

In my argument, the standard car count is reduced by 100 cars in the hopes that those same 100 cars have been selected to get premium quality.

But this also satisfies KY's claim that all cars from GT5 will be available in GT6. And it also makes sense of the 1,200 car claim. There is no mathematical way that you can transfer over 850 standards, 250 premiums from GT5, add 200 new cars, and somehow have 1,200 cars. It would have to be 1,300 cars. So what gives? My argument makes it work mathematically by supposing 100 standard cars have been upgraded like the Countach LP400 and the Alpine A110.

As we saw in GT5, standard cars are known to be hand-selected to premiumhood: Jaguar XJR-9 LM Race Car.

Speculation, is all.

 

[PepeMickey]

Great, I need a garage extension built ill hire a couple of blue rays.

Edit Blu Ray. Lol.

Yeah...I don't know what developers are needed for, Blu-Ray is all we need.

 

[Prodigy122]

...There is no mathematical way that you can transfer over 850 standards, 250 premiums from GT5, add 200 new cars, and somehow have 1,200 cars. It would have to be 1,300 cars. So what gives? My argument makes it work mathematically by supposing 100 standard cars have been upgraded a la Countach LP400 and the Alpine A110.

Speculation, is all.

Where was anything ever said about GT7 adding 200 new cars? If you add the 850 standards and 250 premiums, you get 1100 cars... The only thing I remember hearing/reading is that there will "be more than 1200 cars" in the game. So, if all cars from GT5 are transferred over (whether converted into premium or not), there is still room for 100-199 NEW cars to be made and included in GT7, bringing the number of cars to anything from 1200-1299...

Maybe I'm just not understanding you completely

 

[Tired Tyres]

What if GT5 hadn't shipped with standard models?
Would there be an issue now?

Of course not. You can't have an issue with something that never happened.

200 cars would have been put down to it being the first game on a new system, GT-Mode would have been built around those 200 cars and everyone would be looking forward to GT6 and 200-300 more cars.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Where was anything ever said about GT7 adding 200 new cars? If you add the 850 standards and 250 premiums, you get 1100 cars... The only thing I remember hearing/reading is that there will "be more than 1200 cars" in the game. So, if all cars from GT5 are transferred over (whether converted into premium or not), there is still room for 100-199 NEW cars to be made and included in GT7, bringing the number of cars to anything from 1200-1299...

Maybe I'm just not understanding you completely

You're probably a bit confused. We can clear this up! 👍

1. GT5 had about 850 standard cars. Let's assume KY selected the most famous/unique 100 standard and upgraded them to premium status. Now there are only 750 standard cars.

2. Let's add 750 standards to the 250 premium cars from GT5. We have 1,000 cars.

3. Now, Kaz claimed 200 new cars have been added since GT5. These will be all premium, obviously. Remember, 100 of them have been selected from standard quality to be upgraded to premium. 1,000 + 100 = 1,100. Lastly, add the last 100 new cars. 1,100 + 100 = 1,200.

This also satisfies the idea that all cars from GT5 will be available in GT6. And the 1,200 car count claim is now at ease.


Recap version: 750 standards

+

250 GT5 premiums

+

200 new cars (100 upgraded from standard + 100 brand new never before seen cars)

= 1,200

 

[SlowInFastOut]

Money and/or time = Resources. You hire an extra person or people to work on standard to premium conversions that's one or more less people hired to work on other things. The budget isn't unlimited even as large as it is. I'm sure they had a list of ideas 100 or more deep to work on for the game but that list has to be pruned to the top priorities and converting all standards to premiums will probably never make the cut, unless the conversion process becomes cheaper and/or less time consuming.

They bring in more money than T10, no excuses.

 

[Prodigy122]

@CorvetteConquer: Got it now lol... Thanks for clearing that up 👍

 

[Spagetti69]

Of course not. You can't have an issue with something that never happened.

200 cars would have been put down to it being the first game on a new system, GT-Mode would have been built around those 200 cars and everyone would be looking forward to GT6 and 200-300 more cars.

Yes, I'm just referring back to my "PD created this monster" comment that's all.

 

[bigspleen]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=282284

^ Over 10.5 million have purchased GT5 with nearly half of it AFTER the standard car issue was well known.

As of this post, there are 240,315 people registered at GTPlanet, and even then, the majority don't care enough to come here and complain about the standards.

Some of you really need to weigh out the facts before making gross assumptions such as that. I love GTPlanet, but this place doesn't have enough traffic to warrant such a facetious remark.

The repercussions from gt5 quality drop won't be felt until GT6.....Many casuals DID NOT know about the standards until they bought the game. How much you want to bet GT6 sells less then gt5?

Also sales do not equal quality, unless you think COD is the best game ever, or mcdonalds makes the best burgers. People bought gt5 because of brand recognition.

 

[Prodigy122]

The repercussions from gt5 quality drop won't be felt until GT6.....Many casuals DID NOT know about the standards until they bought the game. How much you want to bet GG6 sells less then gt5?
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Also sales do not equal quality, unless you think COD is the bets game ever, or mcdonalds makes the bets burgers. People bought gt5 because of brand recognition.

You make a very good point here. Those people who bought GT5 without knowing about its flaws were probably very upset at the product they purchased. MOST of us on this forum are able stick with the series through the tough and look forward to GT6, but for those "casuals", the GT series may have lost a large amount of people. I fully expect GT6 sales to be lower than GT5, even if the product is better.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

PD should bury the PS2 models and start with a clean sheet for the PS4 game. Just give us a up to date car roster with everyday cars, sports cars, race cars and historics... No reason to include bazillions of PS 2 Skylines, Miatas and RX7 to a PS4 game.

 

[bigspleen]

Consistency is the key word here. Having 2 contrasting types of quality within the same product is terrible, especially if there's also a functional difference (which was definately the case in GT5). It means you can't rely on certain features consistently, like cockpit view, changing wheels and photo mode (not a functional difference in the strict sense of the word, but for all intents and purposes there is a major difference here).

As for you're statement, it's not like you can just ignore the standards. I've got more standards than premiums in my GT5 garage despite never buying standards, as more of than not the reward for completing an A-spec event is a standard car. They're present as CPU opponents in numerous races as well. And often when choosing from a list of elegible cars for a race, that list almost exclusively consists of standard cars. They're ever present in GT5.

many people here have low standards and will defend everything PD does not matter how bad it is. may as well give up.
I'd be embarassed if i put out a product that was all over the map from a quality and consistency perspective.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=282284

^ Over 10.5 million have purchased GT5 with nearly half of it AFTER the standard car issue was well known.

As of this post, there are 240,315 people registered at GTPlanet, and even then, the majority don't care enough to come here and complain about the standards.

Some of you really need to weigh out the facts before making gross assumptions such as that. I love GTPlanet, but this place doesn't have enough traffic to warrant such a facetious remark.

The repercussions from gt5 quality drop won't be felt until GT6.....Many casuals DID NOT know about the standards until they bought the game. How much you want to bet GG6 sells less then gt5?
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Also sales do not equal quality, unless you think COD is the bets game ever, or mcdonalds makes the bets burgers. People bought gt5 because of brand recognition.

bigspleen,
That's one of the best points of the thread. Yes 10.5 million purchased the game but most of them had no idea what standard cars were and bought it because of the name. I cant even comprehend how many conversations I had online when this game first came out about people wondering why they didn't have an interior view in some cars. Or why they could not bring their cars to the photo mode. You know how much of a pain it is trying to explain this? Most people STILL to this day have no idea what a "standard" car is. I believe GT5 is the first racing game created that restricted over 80% of its vehicles from being used in parts of the game. Can you imagine how confusing that would be if you are a person that never visits the forums and has no idea what standard means?

Can you imagine the sales numbers if this game didn't have any standards? Would have been much higher. As you said, we will see how the sales go when GT6 comes out.

 

[Prodigy122]

PD should bury the PS2 models and start with a clean sheet for the PS4 game. Just give us a up to date car roster with everyday cars, sports cars, race cars and historics... No reason to include bazillions of PS 2 Skylines, Miatas and RX7 to a PS4 game.

I agree that they should do this, but in my opinion, it is very unlikely. It doesn't seem to be the way PD does things.

 

[bigspleen]

PD should bury the PS2 models and start with a clean sheet for the PS4 game. Just give us a up to date car roster with everyday cars, sports cars, race cars and historics... No reason to include bazillions of PS 2 Skylines, Miatas and RX7 to a PS4 game.

Totally agree, a few hundred premiums is more then enough I mean outside a few hardcore gamers the majority of people only use a few dozen cars or so. It's ridiculous.

 

[ianblake]

Not really, they make bluray disks that go up to 128gb, more than enough for loads of cars.

not really / These discs are incompatible with existing BD players, drives, recorders and software.. and lets face it there are not going to be 1200 premium cars too much work too much time too many miata's

 

[Johnnypenso]

many people here have low standards and will defend everything PD does not matter how bad it is. may as well give up.
I'd be embarassed if i put out a product that was all over the map from a quality and consistency perspective.

Embarrassed by what? 70 million units sold? $5Billion in revenue? Money talks man, and as long as the money keeps flowing in, the product will keep flowing out. Without any serious competition, PD/Sony will continue to do the bare minimum to keep the fans purchasing the game, nothing more. Sad, but true.

Here's a scenario. If PCars for example, launched in July, and sold 10 million units in 3 months and you had boards like this full of comments like, "I was a GT fan for a long time but PCars make it look like a joke now, I'll never go back", you can bet they will make changes. The payroll at PD would balloon overnight!! But without a viable alternative, most people, including me, will continue purchasing GT5 until something better, at a similar price, comes along.

 

[bigspleen]

Embarrassed by what? 70 million units sold? $5Billion in revenue? Money talks man, and as long as the money keeps flowing in, the product will keep flowing out. Without any serious competition, PD/Sony will continue to do the bare minimum to keep the fans purchasing the game, nothing more. Sad, but true.

Here's a scenario. If PCars for example, launched in July, and sold 10 million units in 3 months and you had boards like this full of comments like, "I was a GT fan for a long time but PCars make it look like a joke now, I'll never go back", you can bet they will make changes. The payroll at PD would balloon overnight!! But without a viable alternative, most people, including me, will continue purchasing GT5 until something better, at a similar price, comes along.

Again with the strawman SALES argument. SINCE WHEN does sales mean there is some kind of quality? Mcdonalds sells more burgers then anyone. Justin beiber sells a lot more albums then various better artists. COD is the best game ever?

This was also the FIRST GT that dipped, many people (Casuals) bought gt5 without knowing pf standards, quality issues, how much you want to bet GT6 sells less then GT5?

The fact that GT is such a big franchise makes the blatant inconsistent quality even worse. Budget should not be an issue.

 

[shawtyoner]

There is absolutely no way in hell all cars will be premium. The amount of time it took them to model 200 for GT5 is enough indication that in the past few years, they did not create and recreate an additional 1,000 premium cars! All we can hope for is that they have been polished up to some respectable standard (no pun intended).

 

[Johnnypenso]

Again with the strawman SALES argument. SINCE WHEN does sales mean there is some kind of quality? Mcdonalds sells more burgers then anyone. Justin beiber sells a lot more albums then various better artists. COD is the best game ever?

This was also the FIRST GT that dipped, many people (Casuals) bought gt5 without knowing pf standards, quality issues, how much you want to bet GT6 sells less then GT5?

The fact that GT is such a big franchise makes the blatant inconsistent quality even worse. Budget should not be an issue.

I'm not equating quality with sales so it's not a strawman argument. I'm equating sales success with business strategy. I've already stated numerous times on various threads that I don't like standards any more than the next guy, but that doesn't stop me from understanding with why PD continues to do it. It makes business sense to do so, plain and simple.

To say that budget should not be an issue should automatically disqualify you from any discussion involving business, because there are few enterprises I've ever heard of that run without budget constraints. Budget is and always will be an issue. You have to allocate resources towards the core aspects of the franchise and obviously this isn't core to PD.

GT5 isn't the first one that dipped. There was a 1.5 million drop between GT1 and GT2 and a 3 million drop between GT3 and GT4. With an additional 1 million units sold, GT5 will be the second biggest selling release in the series. If you want to throw in more than 5 million Prologue sales, it's the biggest selling version of the entire series. Hardly an incentive to get rid of standards.

 

[JDMKING13]

I'm not equating quality with sales so it's not a strawman argument. I'm equating sales success with business strategy. I've already stated numerous times on various threads that I don't like standards any more than the next guy, but that doesn't stop me from understanding with why PD continues to do it. It makes business sense to do so, plain and simple.

To say that budget should not be an issue should automatically disqualify you from any discussion involving business, because there are few enterprises I've ever heard of that run without budget constraints. Budget is and always will be an issue. You have to allocate resources towards the core aspects of the franchise and obviously this isn't core to PD.

GT5 isn't the first one that dipped. There was a 1.5 million drop between GT1 and GT2 and a 3 million drop between GT3 and GT4. With an additional 1 million units sold, GT5 will be the second biggest selling release in the series. If you want to throw in more than 5 million Prologue sales, it's the biggest selling version of the entire series. Hardly an incentive to get rid of standards.

Bingo! Just as you said I rather have all the cars premium, but it's just not possible. Still I had a lot of fun driving the Standards in GT5. What I want is the ability to do more modification to them vs GT5, and the ability for them to be included in photomode if this is how GT6 is I will be happy. The more cars to drive the better in my respectful opinion.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Bingo! Just as you said I rather have all the cars premium, but it's just not possible. Still I had a lot of fun driving the Standards in GT5. What I want is the ability to do more modification to them vs GT5, and the ability for them to be included in photomode if this is how GT6 is I will be happy. The more cars to drive the better in my respectful opinion.

I share the same view,if the physics engine is really that good than I would not want to cut off any standard car,would love to experience them all.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Bingo! Just as you said I rather have all the cars premium, but it's just not possible. Still I had a lot of fun driving the Standards in GT5. What I want is the ability to do more modification to them vs GT5, and the ability for them to be included in photomode if this is how GT6 is I will be happy. The more cars to drive the better in my respectful opinion.

Agreed! I'm too one of those people who want only premiums, but you know what? I actually gotten used to the standard cars and loved them when I started painting them and tuning them to match the premiums.

With GT6. If the standard cars are polished up, that's a big plus for PD right there. And if there given more modifications, another big plus for PD and another big BIG plus if we're able to include them in photomode as well take photos up close to them in game. 👍 I don't care how many cars are in GT6, standard or not. I also won't dare to complain if the standard cars are polished up. Nuff said. Make us proud PD!

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. Since GT6 will have reworked physics, I want to try out ALL of the standard cars for testing, I'm that excited about the new physics Kaz and PD has done with Yokohama and KW!

 

[shmogt]

The repercussions from gt5 quality drop won't be felt until GT6.....Many casuals DID NOT know about the standards until they bought the game. How much you want to bet GT6 sells less then gt5?

Also sales do not equal quality, unless you think COD is the best game ever, or mcdonalds makes the best burgers. People bought gt5 because of brand recognition.

Very true. I bought it and didn't know about standards until I popped it in. Since this was the first gt title to hit ps3 and the premiums did look damn good plus massive wait between games I would of bought it anyway. However gt6 we will see. I remember gt3 changed a bunch of stuff I loved from gt2 and I didn't purchase that game because of it.

 

[JDMKING13]

I share the same view,if the physics engine is really that good than I would not want to cut off any standard car,would love to experience them all.

Agreed! I'm too one of those people who want only premiums, but you know what? I actually gotten used to the standard cars and loved them when I started painting them and tuning them to match the premiums.

With GT6. If the standard cars are polished up, that's a big plus for PD right there. And if there given more modifications, another big plus for PD and another big BIG plus if we're able to include them in photomode as well take photos up close to them in game. 👍 I don't care how many cars are in GT6, standard or not. I also won't dare to complain if the standard cars are polished up. Nuff said. Make us proud PD!

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. Since GT6 will have reworked physics, I want to try out ALL of the standard cars for testing, I'm that excited about the new physics Kaz and PD has done with Yokohama and KW!

Exactly men because in the end the cars are the stars, and from the videos I have seen so far I am drooling to drive any and everything in GT6. 👍

 

[TokoTurismo]

Exactly men because in the end the cars are the stars, and from the videos I have seen so far I am drooling to drive any and everything in GT6. 👍

I know right? I can't wait to seek the cars new physics in GT6, it's going to be awesome and a good reason to have them kept! 👍

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Would it be great if the standard cars that were there or some of them anyway had a race mod option that turns them into a premium race modded version I seriously doubt anything like this will be the case but would be sweet if it were.

Someone a few pages back mentioned races that had to be done in standards and pointed of the FGT race. If memory serves the truck race also required the use of a standard and could be a bit tough to get. I remember loaning a few friends my Ford Lightning to do that race because they could not get a truck at the time.

 

[maxpontiac]

I know at least 20+ people that did not purchase GT5 because of the standards that were huge fans of the series. Plus look at the reviews. Almost every single review complains or mentions the standards in GT5. Even the metacritic reviews gave GT5 a lower review score than GT2, GT3, and GT4. So you have to be in denial if you don't think the standards (80%) of the game effected the sales.

I am not in denial one bit. In fact, I would go as far to say that the standards assisted in the sales of GT5. You can laugh about that all you want (which I am sure you are), but 1,000 cars to drive is quite enticing.

Look at how many copies GT5 has sold since it's initial launch. It is equal to, or possibly greater than any racing simulator to date without the name "Gran Turismo".

The repercussions from gt5 quality drop won't be felt until GT6.....Many casuals DID NOT know about the standards until they bought the game. How much you want to bet GT6 sells less then gt5?

The repercussions from standards in GT5 didn't even impact GT5.

Look at where GT5 sits in the sales department as compared to other Gran Turismo's in the series. There is a legitimate chance that GT5 will supplant GT4 as the #2 seller of the series. Keep in mind as you formulate a retort that GT5 has only been out for 2 plus years and there will be plenty of people purchasing GT5 over the next few years.

Also sales do not equal quality, unless you think COD is the best game ever, or mcdonalds makes the best burgers. People bought gt5 because of brand recognition

A tired old argument that fails to consider that what man thinks of McDonald's burgers may be different then what someone else thinks. Of course people purchased GT5 because of brand. A brand that is associated with very high quality realistic driving on a console. Do not place your "level" of quality as the definitive definition of the word.

You make a very good point here. Those people who bought GT5 without knowing about its flaws were probably very upset at the product they purchased. MOST of us on this forum are able stick with the series through the tough and look forward to GT6, but for those "casuals", the GT series may have lost a large amount of people. I fully expect GT6 sales to be lower than GT5, even if the product is better.

Speculation and wild assumptions. Your point would have much more validation if the series hadn't moved an additional 4-5 million copies after launch.

many people here have low standards and will defend everything PD does not matter how bad it is. may as well give up.
I'd be embarassed if i put out a product that was all over the map from a quality and consistency perspective.

And many people (feel free to self check right now) will maintain dedication to attack everything PD does, and in the case of GT6, champion the cause of anti-standards when the game isn't even out. I mean you just happened to show up on THAT day?

This was also the FIRST GT that dipped

GT5 was the first that dipped at what? Surely you aren't speaking about sales.

Bingo! Just as you said I rather have all the cars premium, but it's just not possible. Still I had a lot of fun driving the Standards in GT5. What I want is the ability to do more modification to them vs GT5, and the ability for them to be included in photomode if this is how GT6 is I will be happy. The more cars to drive the better in my respectful opinion.

Indeed JDM. Indeed.