Standard cars ARE in GT6. (100% confirmed)

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CAMAROBOY69
If the standards were not an issue then KY would have never spent the last few years updating the 800 standards. All 800 standards have been updated one way or another in GT5. Added generic interiors, some have better interiors, wheels can now be swapped, and more. Clearly its an issue when its 80% of the game. If it was not an issue it would never have been touched. That's not including whatever they have improved from GT5 to GT6.


Actually you can NOT complete GT5 without using standards. Its impossible. So YES you are forced to use standards if you want to make progress in the game. You know how quick the campaign would be over if you only used the 200 (20%) available premium cars? Good luck with that. :lol:
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When are you forced to use standards?
 
GT'S BiG FaN
Well, PD have approximately 110 employees, so they must have around 20 employees working on scanning and modeling cars.
I'm sure they have turned the 800 standard cars to premium cars in the past 3 years (hopefully!).
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More like: 150 and 45.

PD were actively looking for more employees last year . It could very well be higher.
 
Ravicale
When are you forced to use standards?
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I don't have a list buy I know many times I was forced to go to the used car dealership because the vehicle I needed was not a premium. The truck race is a prime example and that's fairly early in the game. You can not get through the A spec without using standard cars. I don't think you can get through the b spec either without using a standard car. So yes you ARE forced to use them.

GT'S BiG FaN
Well, PD have approximately 110 employees, so they must have around 20 employees working on scanning and modeling cars.
I'm sure they have turned the 800 standard cars to premium cars in the past 3 years (hopefully!).
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After about 5 1/2 years they were able to only create 200-220 premium cars for GT5. That's only about 30-40 cars per year on average. Its only been about 3 more years for GT6. Unless they outsourced (never happen) there is no way they converted 800 cars to premium. BUT I think they will at least improve the standards as we have discussed in this thread.
 
RcWr
Is it a problem though? They are upgradint to the Premiums and they are slow at this. However, some of you seems like forgot the fact, that nobody forces you to use standards. Just take this as the game has 500 cars and that's all.
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I don't know is it?

Does a realistic Damage model become a problem if you have 800 odd PS2/PSP assets. Livery editor/Customisation too?

I don't know tbh. Genuine question.
 
Spagetti69
I don't know is it?

Does a realistic Damage model become a problem if you have 800 odd PS2/PSP assets. Livery editor/Customisation too?

I don't know tbh. Genuine question.
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Yes, that would a huge problem if there wouldn't be any premiums, that's for sure. I am not saying, that standards is a norm, and totally acceptable. It isn't. However, I am saying, that PD shouldn't just scrap them and leave only Premiums.

I really can't think of a reason, why PD's strategy is like that, leave out standards and meanwhile make ultra high definition with fully modeled premiums. As someone mentioned before, there is no consistancy. It feels like they are preparing their car models for GT7, GT8 and so on.

Anyway, the thing is, we have a situation with standards for now. And I dont agree with the idea to scrap them all out. It's actually kind of fun to drive all those grocery getters (well, JDM grocery getters are all like 280 hp).

CAMARO, sorry then, didn't really know, that you MUST use standards :)
 
CAMAROBOY69
If the standards were not an issue then KY would have never spent the last few years updating the 800 standards. All 800 standards have been updated one way or another in GT5. Added generic interiors, some have better interiors, wheels can now be swapped, and more. Clearly its an issue when its 80% of the game. If it was not an issue it would never have been touched. That's not including whatever they have improved from GT5 to GT6.
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You missed my point. Sure, there is an "issue" with the standards per se, but not one to bother millions of people enough to come to a forum and complain or avoid purchasing GT5 all together.
 
CAMAROBOY69
After about 5 1/2 years they were able to only create 200-220 premium cars for GT5. That's only about 30-40 cars per year on average. Its only been about 3 more years for GT6. Unless they outsourced (never happen) there is no way they converted 800 cars to premium. BUT I think they will at least improve the standards as we have discussed in this thread.
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I don't agree with this. GT5 had a totally redone engine, graphics the whole lot, to make the transition onto PS3. GT6 differs, in that although they have said they have amended the engine, it certainly doesn't look redone from bottom up, meaning that they will have had alot more resources for putting into things like building premium models. I think that it's possible they have overhauled many more cars. Can't say for sure, but I would guess it is doable for them.
 
Spagetti69
What if GT5 hadn't shipped with standard models?
Would there be an issue now?
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I think it would. We are losing ton of usable and moddable cars. Still, CAMARO told us, that in some situations you MUST use standard, however I believe that's just an exception, not the rule is it?

So, we have 2 situations:

1. Let's say 500 premium cars (total number: 500)
2. 500 premium cars, 700 standard cars (total number: 1200)

In which case do we lose the most?
 
CorvetteConquer
I don't want to go too far off topic, but those numbers are old.

https://www.gtplanet.net/polyphony-digital-moves-50-employees-to-fukuoka-japan/

"Well, this was certainly unexpected: Japanese news outlets are reporting that Polyphony Digital will be moving 50 of the company’s 150 employees more than 500 miles away, from Tokyo to Fukuoka, Japan.


I got a steel trap memory ;)
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Yes! :D Steel memory indeed. See, and some people said PD weren't outsourcing. Oh how wrong they were. :sly:

Back on topic. :)
 
CCXRacer
Except there are many cars worthy of premium quality that sadly may not receive it. Not just your duplicates.
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Agreed. There are many classic cars and race cars I'd like to see as premiums. Some of that is being done as I understand it. I'm pretty sure I saw a premium LP400 Countach somewhere.

GTPorsche
What resources would be diverted? They have teams that work on different aspects of the game. Car modelers wouldn't be working on physics or tracks.
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Money and/or time = Resources. You hire an extra person or people to work on standard to premium conversions that's one or more less people hired to work on other things. The budget isn't unlimited even as large as it is. I'm sure they had a list of ideas 100 or more deep to work on for the game but that list has to be pruned to the top priorities and converting all standards to premiums will probably never make the cut, unless the conversion process becomes cheaper and/or less time consuming.
 
Johnnypenso
If GT reduced the car count by 800 there would be outrage amongst most GT fans. People would come out of the woodwork saying, "I never complained about Standards why did they take away my favourite car the 199X Blah blah blah". That will never happen.
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It already happened in GT3 and I was hoping (and expecting) they had the courage to do it again, start with a clean sheet despite a lower amount of cars.

Now it's 1200 instead of 1000, once GT7 arrives people will expect 1500 cars at least and there's no way surely they can include PS2 assets in a PS4 game (although I'm not sure about that anymore....)?

Or maybe they'll save the excuse of having less cars deliberately for the next gen game since they might fear that people won't buy a new GT-title for PS3 if it includes far less cars and continue playing GT5 instead.
 
maxpontiac
You missed my point. Sure, there is an "issue" with the standards per se, but not one to bother millions of people enough to come to a forum and complain or avoid purchasing GT5 all together.
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I know at least 20+ people that did not purchase GT5 because of the standards that were huge fans of the series. Plus look at the reviews. Almost every single review complains or mentions the standards in GT5. Even the metacritic reviews gave GT5 a lower review score than GT2, GT3, and GT4. So you have to be in denial if you don't think the standards (80%) of the game effected the sales.
 
RcWr
I think it would. We are losing ton of usable and moddable cars. Still, CAMARO told us, that in some situations you MUST use standard, however I believe that's just an exception, not the rule is it?

So, we have 2 situations:

1. Let's say 500 premium cars (total number: 500)
2. 500 premium cars, 700 standard cars (total number: 1200)

In which case do we lose the most?
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Option 2 would be the most loss.
What cost is the option of having them in there though. Hypothetical but is it a cost of a realistic damage model ? Example being a fully deformable premium car not being implemented because it fractures the game.

On a lesser level anyone wanting to photograph an E-type in a photo location are barred because of the double standards.

My earlier comment of PD creating this monster holds true. As next gen gets farther from PS2 levels the differences will manifest in deferent ways I would imagine.

Having said that, the fact this is on PS3 and they have done this before (GT5) somewhat helps.

The fact that PD "Sort of" leaked the info standards are back before E3 speaks volumes for me. I don't think there happy with it but wanted that white elephant out in the open ASAP.
 
Warning: math is used at a basic level!

In order to get 200 cars "more than GT5", while also making sense of the 1,200 car count, PD may have :

1. Upgraded 100 standards to premiums. **This puts the standard car count at about 750, while also satisfying the claim that all cars from GT5 will be available in GT6**

2. Added 100 unique NEW cars to the series.

Now we have 200 more premiums to use.

Final math:

100 standards that are now fully upgraded to premium
+
100 brand new cars never before seen in GT (premium, obviously)
+
the remaining 750 standard cars that didn't quite make it to premiumhood
+
the remaining 250 premium cars from GT5 that will be carried over

=1,200

Now that would be cool!^
 
KinLM
They could have premium versions of some of the cars in GT5.
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I imagine some classics are.

Wouldn't it be nice for PD to engage the Comunity and have monthly polls or feedback on the most requested cars.

Sure PD can scour around here for info but what a PR scoop it would be to engage the fan base directly. One day maybe.
 
CorvetteConquer
In order to get 200 cars "more than GT5", while also making sense of the 1,200 car count, PD may have :

1. Upgraded 100 standards to premiums. This puts the standard car count at about 750

2. Added 100 unique NEW cars to the series.

Now we have 200 more premiums to use.

Final math:

100 standards that are now fully upgraded to premium
+
100 brand new cars never before seen in GT
+
the remaining 750 standard cars that didn't quite make it to premiumhood
+the remaining 250 premium cars from GT5 that will be carried over
=1,200
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I get what you're saying, but I don't think that's the case. I think that when Kaz said that all the cars from GT5 are being carried over, that's exactly what he meant. So there will be 1000+ cars that were in GT5 (whether they get converted from S to P or not.) The remaining number of cars in GT6 will be BRAND NEW to the series.
 
CAMAROBOY69
I know at least 20+ people that did not purchase GT5 because of the standards that were huge fans of the series. Plus look at the reviews. Almost every single review complains or mentions the standards in GT5. Even the metacritic reviews gave GT5 a lower review score than GT2, GT3, and GT4. So you have to be in denial if you don't think the standards (80%) of the game effected the sales.
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Too much time at the top breeds complacency. Only a sharp decline in sales will prompt a dramatic overhaul of the series. If GT6 comes in at 3-4 million units or less, you can bet your a$$ the standards will be gone. If it's fast out of the gate and up to 7 million units in the first few months, the marketplace is saying they aren't too concerned about it, carry on as usual. God forbid it outsells GT5 and you'll never get rid of standards.

GT5 has been the top dog for a long time, they need some serious competition to get them motivated to do what needs to be done to remain competitive. Rarely do monopolies lead to innovation and dramatic improvements, only competition brings that about.
 
CorvetteConquer
Warning: math is used at a basic level!

In order to get 200 cars "more than GT5", while also making sense of the 1,200 car count, PD may have :

1. Upgraded 100 standards to premiums. This puts the standard car count at about 750

2. Added 100 unique NEW cars to the series.

Now we have 200 more premiums to use.

Final math:

100 standards that are now fully upgraded to premium
+
100 brand new cars never before seen in GT
+
the remaining 750 standard cars that didn't quite make it to premiumhood
+ the remaining 250 premium cars from GT5 that will be carried over
=1,200

Now that would be cool!^
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Have they removed the standard versions of the cars premium'd or are they still in bolstering the car count?
 

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