Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

[Boundary Layer]

Hmm..what I noticed at the end of the movie was that the empirial military of the command ship was all decked out in new uniforms and there wasn't a droid in sight. Very quick change. Considering Luke and Leah were still infants, I haven't a clue how much time passed.

they did make an effort to explain that. I'm not sure of the character now (I think it was most likely the Emperor), but near the end of the film Droids were ordered to be shut down. Another one of those little things that just got shoe-horned in to the film. With no droids someone still has to fly the ship, so they hired a bunch of British actors.

 

[Event]

Hmm..what I noticed at the end of the movie was that the empirial military of the command ship was all decked out in new uniforms and there wasn't a droid in sight. Very quick change. Considering Luke and Leah were still infants, I haven't a clue how much time passed.

Umm.... Droids are a tool of the Trade Federation. Clones are the army of the Republic, which becomes the Empire. The Republic/Empire doesn't use droids, they use humans. Papaltine wanted to destroy the Trade Federation. He was destroying the droids. Why would Papaltine's Empire use the Trade Federation droids? The human crew makes perfect sense to me...

 

[///M-Spec]

Considering Lucas didn't direct V and VI I'd say that's not an accurate statment.

BTW, I very much agree that Lucas can't direct. Just wanted to make sure the info was clear.

Which means ole George is not responsible for the terrible and creepy "I guess you don't know everything about women" scene in Empire and the vomit inducing "It's YOU, Leia" scene in Jedi.

Kershner is awesome, but he flubbed from time to time. I really don't know what Lucas was think when he hired Marquand. He should have begged and begged Kersh to do one more.

That brings me to the biggest whole in the movie. The time of Padme's pregnancy. I mean, was she about ready to pop when she told Anakin? Or do people from Naboo only need a few weeks to have a child?

Judging by Padme's size, she was well along when we first see her in Sith. Her costumes were designed to hide her pregancy.

Several weeks pass during the events of Sith. I have not read the novelization, but I understand it was 6 or so begining to end.

Luke and Leia were born both premature. The droids induced labor to protect the children. They were apparently really, really good at cleaning them up too, because that's NOT how newborns look when they pop


M

 

[TheCracker]

Considering Lucas didn't direct V and VI I'd say that's not an accurate statment.

BTW, I very much agree that Lucas can't direct. Just wanted to make sure the info was clear.

I know he didn't direct Empire and Jedi, it was more of a general statement - I've spent almost as much time hanging out in the StarWars forum as i have here - but they do tend to be a narrow minded, humourless bunch of people so i've not been there for while.

 

[Swift]

they did make an effort to explain that. I'm not sure of the character now (I think it was most likely the Emperor), but near the end of the film Droids were ordered to be shut down. Another one of those little things that just got shoe-horned in to the film. With no droids someone still has to fly the ship, so they hired a bunch of British actors.

Alrighty TS! You bust me one more time and I'm revoking your Bouncer status!

It's not fair! You just saw it a day ago and it's been almost a week for me. It just kinda melds together sometimes.

Judging by Padme's size, she was well along when we first see her in Sith. Her costumes were designed to hide her pregancy.

Several weeks pass during the events of Sith. I have not read the novelization, but I understand it was 6 or so begining to end.

They did a heck of a job of hiding it. I mean, if her husband didn't notice at first embrace, that's some serious designing.

 

[///M-Spec]

They did a heck of a job of hiding it. I mean, if her husband didn't notice at first embrace, that's some serious designing.

Well, she was wearing an Empire style formal gown in that scene. It's practically wedding dress sized at the waist. If you've ever hugged someone in a big-azzed gown like that, you wouldn't know if they were 9 months pregnant or a bulimic ballerina. She probably had more metal holding that thing up than Anakin end up wearing at the end of the movie

EDIT: Oh, one more thing. Anyone notice know the Clone Wars perfectly explains the anti-droidtism you see in the first movie? You know, when 3PO walk into the cantina and the bartender says "we don't serve their kind in here".


M

 

[Duke]

The battle took place within the atmosphere of Corascant, thats why we had flames. Pressure would still be low enough to suck-out windows etc.

You need oxygen supply and a pressurized cabin at anything above about 15,000 feet on Earth, because the atmosphere is too thin. Those ships were a lot higher than that, so unless you're going to argue that the planet's breathable atmosphere was many times deeper than Earths (meaning that air pressure at the ground would feel like several hundred feet under the ocean, it just doesn't work.

Misted by the dark-side of time your mind has become, just as poorly delivered were the original cast's lines.

Bad, yes, some of them are. Overall better, the acting is. Less pretentious, the older movies are.

I read an interview with Doug Chiang and George Lucas where they explained that the change from the "Pretty" look (yes, that's what they called it) to the "Used Universe" look was to show the effects of war and imperial rule.

I understand the rationale for the change, and I agree with it. It's just not brought out in even the slightest way that is what's happening. There's not even a single line of dialogue mentioning the enourmous resources being consumed. It's as if all these massive operations just happen by magic. A few simple lines about the Federation and the Republic being stretched to their economic limits by the war would have done it.

Several weeks pass during the events of Sith. I have not read the novelization, but I understand it was 6 or so begining to end.

Even at 6 months, that would be a breakneck pace considering all the cataclysmic changes. That's a a real part of why I'm mixed about this movie. The pacing could have been divided up much better among the 3 episodes.

Luke and Leia were born both premature. The droids induced labor to protect the children. They were apparently really, really good at cleaning them up too, because that's NOT how newborns look when they pop

They also looked suspiciously large for preemie twins... like at least double the size they'd actually have been! And she delivered them normally!

 

[///M-Spec]

There's not even a single line of dialogue mentioning the enourmous resources being consumed. It's as if all these massive operations just happen by magic. A few simple lines about the Federation and the Republic being stretched to their economic limits by the war would have done it.

Yeah, that would have been nice. They edited roughly 15 minutes out of the final cut of the film, including a few scenes I really wanted to see:

Organa, Padme and other Senators, including a young Mon Mothma (the lady you see in Return of the Jedi at the Death Star briefing) discussing the genesis of the Rebellion.

...and Yoda landing on Dagoba.

...key character development between Kenobi and Commander Cody (the clone who returned his lightsaber).

I hope to see these scenes on the DVD release.


M

 

[Famine]

A story going round, there is, that Lucas planned Star Wars as a series, did not.

Shed any light on this, can anyone?

 

[Swift]

A story going round, there is, that Lucas planned Star Wars as a series, did not.

Shed any light on this, can anyone?

Actually, I believe I can. Lucas has said that he had two stories and chose to tell episode IV- VI first. He never planned to do the first three after he was done. Also, the story is about Darth Vader, not Luke, as he has put it.

So basically he made a financial decision with the order. I guess he felt that the technology could do the other episodes better then the prequels.

Yeah, that would have been nice. They edited roughly 15 minutes out of the final cut of the film, including a few scenes I really wanted to see:

Organa, Padme and other Senators, including a young Mon Mothma (the lady you see in Return of the Jedi at the Death Star briefing) discussing the genesis of the Rebellion.
...and Yoda landing on Dagoba.
...key character development between Kenobi and Commander Cody (the clone who returned his lightsaber).
I hope to see these scenes on the DVD release.

I hope it's something like the extended versions of LOTR. In the extended version of ROTK, there is so much good stuff that was caught out. With any luck, the DVD will have that kind of footage on it.

 

[///M-Spec]

A story going round, there is, that Lucas planned Star Wars as a series, did not.

Yes and no.

Star Wars went through several drafts. According to Lucas, he wrote one long movie, then realized it was far too big to make as one film.

Thus, he then took elements from the original ending (events in Jedi) and tacked it onto the 1st Act (Star Wars). This is why there are two Death Stars: it was originally going to be in the 3rd Act, but when he realized he was probably not going to be able to do everything, he just added it to what he had.

Once Star Wars was a hit, he immediately knew the rest of the story was going to be told in the sequels.

In one interview he did back in 1976, he said that he was planning 12 episodes in all. I guess he changed his mind. Episodes I through III, however had always been about Anakin. This much he is consistant with.


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[Duke]

A story going round, there is, that Lucas planned Star Wars as a series, did not.

That is not my understanding. My understanding, having lived through the production of the original IV-VI trilogy, was that he always planned it as a series; in fact, as a trilogy of trilogies. This means Episodes VIII-IX are still to come, telling the story of the fall of the Empire and the aftermath.

I don't think he so much picked the middle three for economic/technical reasons; I think that he modified his vision of the first three to take advantage of the technology that became available.

 

[F1GTR]

What's with all the Yoda speak?

 

[Swift]

What's with all the Yoda speak?

I think it's pretty cool actually. Kinda challenging.

 

[F1GTR]

Challenging it is not.
A headache to read,it is

 

[Swift]

Challenging it is not.
A headache read to,it is

LOL, must be a challenge bud.

it should've been

"A headache to read, it is."

sorry just had to do it.

Also, it actually helps me to slow down and think about what's being said. We have a tendancy to rush over things. Maybe I should start a whole thread with nothing but Yoda speak. Heh heh.

 

[F1GTR]

Better now?

 

[Famine]

Appear to be tough to type too, it does.


I'd caught the tail end of a rumour which says that Star Wars was planned to be a single film on its todd. Then, when it became a success (despite the first viewer - in a private showing - saying "Well done George. You've just made the worst film ever.") he wrote two extra films to make it an ever-so-fashionable trilogy. I-III do seem to have been an afterthought.

 

[a6m5]

What I heard was close to the M-Spec's. I read/heard that it was one long story in the beginning. To make it fit in one movie, and then the original trilogy(IV, V, VI), he took the most interesting parts or stretch(forgot which, sorry) of the original story.

I also remember hearing that after the prequel trilogy, it was to be followed by another trilogy picking up after Episode VI.

 

[TheCracker]

You need oxygen supply and a pressurized cabin at anything above about 15,000 feet on Earth, because the atmosphere is too thin. Those ships were a lot higher than that, so unless you're going to argue that the planet's breathable atmosphere was many times deeper than Earths (meaning that air pressure at the ground would feel like several hundred feet under the ocean, it just doesn't work.

Thats fine if Corascant is a planet of Earths size, but if its much larger or smaller than the height of breathable atmosphere is going to change isn't it. I'm sure there are many other factors like gravitational fields etc - but i'm not going to let this conversation fall into Sci-Fi geekdom - as a veteran of the StarWars boards i know what a 'dark path' this can become and besides, talking about a film we are, real life like GranTurismo its not.

 

[Duke]

Thats fine if Corascant is a planet of Earths size, but if its much larger or smaller than the height of breathable atmosphere is going to change isn't it.

No, because air still weighs what air weighs. If the atmosphere was deep enough that those ships were in breathable atmosphere, then:

A) They'd have been glowing red-hot from drag, just like the ship was at reentry, and

B) The air pressure at ground level would feel like approximately 500 feet below the ocean on Earth.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Will everyone please shut up! It's a MOVIE, people! And on top of that, it's a sci-fi movie. That's science FICTION. Not real. Make-believe. So stop trying to apply real-world science to a fantasy-world movie in a lame and annoying attempt at uncovering and / or explaining plot holes.

Sheesh, this is worse than Star Trek fans chatting with each other about the possibilities of warp drives at a convention.

 

[Swift]

Will everyone please shut up! It's a MOVIE, people! And on top of that, it's a sci-fi movie. That's science FICTION. Not real. Make-believe. So stop trying to apply real-world science to a fantasy-world movie in a lame and annoying attempt at uncovering and / or explaining plot holes.

Sheesh, this is worse than Star Trek fans chatting with each other about the possibilities of warp drives at a convention.

Well, normally I would mildy agree. But coming from the guy with a Darth Vader avatar, that's a bit hard to swallow.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Why? I thoroughlly enjoyed the movie, and so I have adopted Darth Vader as my new temporary avatar. It has little or nothing to do with the turn the discussion in here has taken. Please explain yourself; what does my avatar have to do with what I said, and why does this make you hesitant to agree with me?!?!?!

 

[Famine]

Will everyone please shut up! It's a MOVIE, people! And on top of that, it's a sci-fi movie. That's science FICTION. Not real. Make-believe. So stop trying to apply real-world science to a fantasy-world movie in a lame and annoying attempt at uncovering and / or explaining plot holes.

Sheesh, this is worse than Star Trek fans chatting with each other about the possibilities of warp drives at a convention.

If you can't stand the geek, get out of the forum...

 

[Duke]

Will everyone please shut up! It's a MOVIE, people! And on top of that, it's a sci-fi movie. That's science FICTION.

It's all about suspension of disbelief. I couldn't quite suspend it through the whole movie.

See, LOTR gave me no trouble. I bought it totally, because the story worked well enough to make it worth suspending disbelief. It's obviously eaier to believe that a half-robot could live in hard vacuum than it is to believe a wizard turned himself into a giant glowing eye of pure energy and raised an army of orcs from magic clay.

It's just that it's more worthwhile to suspend that disbelief for the storyline with LOTR than it is for Episodes I-III.

And the thing is, if you're making science fiction, you better make sure the science works. Especially if you're going to present a detailed picture of the universe. If you want the big, overall picture so that you don't have to worry about the details, then you need to present the story in a different way.

Read some Larry Niven and then talk about science fiction where the science works.

 

[a6m5]

Will everyone please shut up! It's a MOVIE, people! And on top of that, it's a sci-fi movie. That's science FICTION. Not real. Make-believe. So stop trying to apply real-world science to a fantasy-world movie in a lame and annoying attempt at uncovering and / or explaining plot holes.

Sheesh, this is worse than Star Trek fans chatting with each other about the possibilities of warp drives at a convention.

Well, normally I would mildy agree. But coming from the guy with a Darth Vader avatar, that's a bit hard to swallow.

Why? I thoroughlly enjoyed the movie, and so I have adopted Darth Vader as my new temporary avatar. It has little or nothing to do with the turn the discussion in here has taken. Please explain yourself; what does my avatar have to do with what I said, and why does this make you hesitant to agree with me?!?!?!

Anderton: You are one of the funniest guys here. I just don't know if you are serious or joking around! Remember this? :

I am quite surprised that you found those parts funny. I actually had forgotten about them, and now the movie is downright awful in my opinion. Most sequels are, and this was no exception.

Are you on your period or something?

Because I didn't like a movie?!

I assume you were trying to be funny, but this comment is at par with the level of insult I'd expect from a 6th grader.

What's next, are you going to tell me to take a chill pill? To stop spazzing?

Jeez, dude. Take a chill pill. Stop spazzing.

That was much funnier than most comedy flicks! 👍

 

[Kent]

Saw the movie on monday night, that I did.

I liked it.

For once I was impressed with a new star wars movie.

I didn't like the acting between Portman and "anakin" throughout the first half of the movie.
During the second half I felt like both were able to do a much better job together.

Other than that I was pretty happy with the film.
There really weren't many parts where I was really unhappy with the movie.
In fact, I felt like the action was great and the story managed to keep up.

One part did bother me... When Mace Windu faced off with darth sidus... that scene bothered me quite a bit.

All in all I thought it was a good movie though.
Not on the level of the originals but certainly entertaining. 👍

 

[Anakin]

finally, a moderator with a positive view on the film!!

 

[Swift]

finally, a moderator with a positive view on the film!!

I have a positive view of the film. Just think that there are a LOT of things that could've been better.