Student commits suicide in front of parents/students at school

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Not that surprising to me, the more conformity is crammed down kids throats the more these things will happen, along with the mass shootings etc.

The district says it is providing crisis counselors to talk with students and families in the wake of the death.
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They'll even tell you how to grieve.
 
arora
Not that surprising to me, the more conformity is crammed down kids throats the more these things will happen, along with the mass shootings etc.
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Having read the story supplied, I'm curious as to how you know what the student's motivations were considering that the authorities aren't even willing to commit to one conclusion of the events (note the use of the word "apparent"). I am also bemused that you are such an expert on the subject that you can generalise every single suicide and school shooting among teenagers as being down to "conformity".

arora
They'll even tell you how to grieve.
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Spoken like someone who has no idea what grief is, much less how to deal with it. Grief can manifest in dozens of different ways, and some of them are considerably more healthy than others, particularly for students that age. Crisis counselors are trained in helping people deal with their grief and channel their emotions away from destructive reactions. Shame on them for trying to help people deal with such a traumatic and violent event.

Get down off your high horse about "conformity". You know absolutely nothing.
 
arora
Not that surprising to me, the more conformity is crammed down kids throats the more these things will happen, along with the mass shootings etc.

They'll even tell you how to grieve.
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You speak like you have no feelings towards the families involved. I haven't watched whatever was linked in the OP, because I feel I may be really upset by it.

I had a friend die, some of my other friends have suggested that it could have been suicide.

There is a lot more goes on than the eye can see.
prisonermonkeys
Having read the story supplied, I'm curious as to how you know what the student's motivations were considering that the authorities aren't even willing to commit to one conclusion of the events (note the use of the word "apparent"). I am also bemused that you are such an expert on the subject that you can generalise every single suicide and school shooting among teenagers as being down to "conformity".

Spoken like someone who has no idea what grief is, much less how to deal with it. Grief can manifest in dozens of different ways, and some of them are considerably more healthy than others, particularly for students that age. Crisis counselors are trained in helping people deal with their grief and channel their emotions away from destructive reactions. Shame on them for trying to help people deal with such a traumatic and violent event.

Get down off your high horse about "conformity". You know absolutely nothing.
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Agreed.
 
arora
Not that surprising to me, the more conformity is crammed down kids throats the more these things will happen, along with the mass shootings etc.
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Conformity ... to that I say bull:censored:. We are our own person. We are not driven by forces to conform or be cast out. We should be thinking for ourselves, we should be doing for ourselves (at least most people do). Giving in to conformity is a weakness. Be yourself, not what others want you to be. You'll be a better person in the long run.
 
^Try teaching that to impressionable teens who are more concerned with Facebook postings than solid life lessons. Some unfortunately just don't learn until 🤬 hits the fan.

At the end of the day, this falls on the parents of that deceased child, and once again it's a case of what should have not come.
 
sumbrownkid
At the end of the day, this falls on the parents of that deceased child, and once again it's a case of what should have not come.
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If this student killed themselves because they were being bullied on a regular basis by other students, how is that the parents' fault? Perhaps they could have done more to look after their child, but negligent parenting does not automatically make them the only guilty party here.

Like arora, you're generalising without any proof of what is going on. There is still no apparent cause for the student's decision to kill themselves, so to claim that the parents are responsible for it is misguided, judgemental, naive and unfair.
 
So what you're telling me, is that the parents, the sole two people, or person, responsible for the well being of their kid is not responsible in some part of preventing this from happening?

The fault here, is that more involvement into their kid's life could have prevented this from happening. Not saying it would have outright, but it definitely would've helped.

I maybe right, I maybe wrong, but so far, negligence would definitely be in the discussion with the authorities right now who have to clean up that hallway. But that's not saying they should be jailed for it.

They probably have enough mental anguish as it is.
 
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Perhaps you should talk to my kid. I just put him through High School with no difficulties ... w h a t - s o - e v e r . Sure he could have conformed, but he did not. Instead, he used that thing up in his head called a brain. It got him through quite well I must say. With that, he has a achieved a full ride at Akron U. Did conforming and hanging out with the "wrong crowd" get him this achievement ? Not hardly my friend, he used his own head.
 
Well then your son fortunately has you to set him on the right path, and thankfully knows how to operate it effectively:tup:.
 
sumbrownkid
So what you're telling me, is that the parents, the sole two people, or person, responsible for the well being of their kid is not responsible in some part of preventing this from happening?
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No, I'm telling you that you shouldn't assume that they are the only people responsible for the welfare of the child. What about their teachers? What about the school? What about their friends?

It is very rare that suicide sneaks up on a person in such a way that nobody notices. Somehow, you seem to think that the people who spent more time during the with the student than the student's parents bear no responsibility for their welfare.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, I'm telling you that you shouldn't assume that they are the only people responsible for the welfare of the child. What about their teachers? What about the school? What about their friends?

It is very rare that suicide sneaks up on a person in such a way that nobody notices. Somehow, you seem to think that the people who spent more time during the with the student than the student's parents bear no responsibility for their welfare.
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I think some of the blame could be put on the child as well. You never know, his parent(s) could have had a great relationship with him but if the kid doesn't speak up about issues they are having, it's hard for anyone to know what's going through their head.
 
Tell me all you want bro, as you just made an assumption about me in the second paragraph.:confused: Assumptions are everywhere.

Friends and teachers do make large impressions on the child, no arguing with that. But ultimately it's the parents at the end of the day who have the biggest effect on them usually.

@R1600, that's true about the boy not speaking his mind, and silence is one of the hardest things to break.
 
sumbrownkid
^Try teaching that to impressionable teens who are more concerned with Facebook postings than solid life lessons. Some unfortunately just don't learn until 🤬 hits the fan.

At the end of the day, this falls on the parents of that deceased child, and once again it's a case of what should have not come.
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sumbrownkid
So what you're telling me, is that the parents, the sole two people, or person, responsible for the well being of their kid is not responsible in some part of preventing this from happening?
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Wait, are you suggesting that it's the parents' faults that they're not involved in their child's life, if that was the case?

I disagree completely. It's a two way street. You cannot assume that if a parent is not involved in a child's life, that it's their fault. People can be unwilling to let other people get close to them. I'm now 21 and don't tell my parents much about my private life, if anything at all. And I never really have. That's just the way it is for me, and they have been brilliantly attentive, loving people to whom I am forever indebted.

But that's beside the point in this story, instead of focusing on the blame game, it should be noted that suicide is a devastating event, and the fact that it has happened in a school means that it will have a lasting effect on those who have witnessed it.

And I agree completely with pm on the points he addressed in arora's posts.
 
Liquid
Wait, are you suggesting that it's the parents' faults that they're not involved in their child's life, if that was the case?

I disagree completely. It's a two way street. You cannot assume that if a parent is not involved in a child's life, that it's their fault. People can be unwilling to let other people get close to them. I'm now 21 and don't tell my parents much about my private life, if anything at all. And I never really have. That's just the way it is for me, and they have been brilliantly attentive, loving people to whom I am forever indebted.

But that's beside the point in this story, instead of focusing on the blame game, it should be noted that suicide is a devastating event, and the fact that it has happened in a school means that it will have a lasting effect on those who have witnessed it.

And I agree completely with pm on the points he addressed in arora's posts.
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Well not entirely, I'll take a step back from the earlier post, but a large part yeah. It could've just been a case of an odd kid being in the fire for too long.
 
What is the point to us placing blame in a situation like this? There isn't any. If you want to start a criminal investigation, leave it up to the police. Without knowing additional information, I bet the parents feel awful enough, the teachers are horrified, and the classmates are traumatized.

It would seem appropriate to offer condolences and a hand, not accusations and point a finger.
 
If this is a result of bullying its clearly a tragedy. When you are in school you are supposed to feel protected by the teachers and the administration. If you aren't then there's an issue. I was bullied throughout my schooling years until college and it was probably due to the fact that I formed a closer bond with some teachers and tried to stay closer to them than fellow students during my schooling years probably prevented me from having thoughts of suicide.
 
The story has four paragraphs. None is over two lines.

I'm intrigued to know how people feel they can so accurately judge a person's situation given so little information to work with.
 
homeforsummer
The story has four paragraphs. None is over two lines.

I'm intrigued to know how people feel they can so accurately judge a person's situation given so little information to work with.
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^This. Starting with apparent suicide. Seems people are assuming it was indeed suicide; it could have been an accident. One possibility was that he was just doing something really, really stupid.

Assuming it was indeed suicide, still we have no idea why he did it. It seems a bit premature to blame the parents or anybody else for that matter. All we know is that he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and even that is assuming that the school spokesman has his facts straight (ie, "shot himself").

Note I'm not trying to claim it was not a suicide, I'm just pointing out that we don't know.
 
Nero9
Either the school gave him grief or his parents or he did something stupid. End of story.
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Nero9
He wanted attention.
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I wasn't aware that you knew this individual as a close enough personal friend to provide us with such a unique insight into the cause of their unfortunate death.

Oh wait, that's right you simply posting your own ill informed opinion as if it were fact.

Strong suggestion - stop.
 
homeforsummer
The story has four paragraphs. None is over two lines.

I'm intrigued to know how people feel they can so accurately judge a person's situation given so little information to work with.
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This. We have no idea if it was even an intentional suicide, we have no idea whether or not he was bullied, what kind of parents he had, nor do we know if he was suffering from any kind of mental illness. All we know is that a tragic death occurred.
 

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