Suggestions Box

[Kent]

Jaguar S Type isn't alone in that quick shift category... The SL55 has shifts just like the S Type. Both are amazing. 👍

Also, I loved the last few replies. Some really great suggestions in there.
I especially love anything that will let me run the SLR!!!
Love the Super-Salloon idea although I'd like to see that without the M3 GTR. I'd go with something just like what you said but I wouldn't constrict the options to anything other than "must have four doors" and then I'd add PWR rules. I'd also lose the German only thing since it might be a perfect chance for the Tom's car to make an appearance in the WRS. Likewise, I'd love to see the Alteeza and 330 get in on the mix. So with that in mind...

GT Mode: Unknown Track: Any 4 Door: N3 tires: PWR > 2.500

I added the N3 to that because it would be great to see the light weight cars get a chance to use their weight as their advantage. Something like a 300hp Alteeza or 330 could be a real competitor to a 500hp Audi if the course and tires are just right.

 

[Azuremen]

Oh, I like this idea Kent. More than I normally like yer ideas, which is saying something.

I still think my fav race of all WRS ish ness would be the 3.0 PWR, 100k race, like WRS 100 or something. Fun stuff to see some of the variety that came out.

And there are ALOT of 4 doors... FF, AWD, and FR. Lots of potentiol there I think... I like.

 

[Metar]

Jaguar S Type isn't alone in that quick shift category... The SL55 has shifts just like the S Type. Both are amazing. 👍

Yeah... It's kinda weird with those two. You shift, and prepare yourself for that shock, and it's already in that new gear. Apart from being super-smooth, the also sound weird. Should be perfect for drifters, though, since you can up- and downshift without getting off power.

Alteeza

That'll be "Lexus IS200 (J) '98" for PAL, right?

I like the 4-door suggestion, but I think such a wide selection is a bit too much. In fact, I thought my suggestions were too wide. IMO, the "Showdowns" should be between 2-4 cars... Although, I would like the return of a week a la Week 68, with the used-6Cyl rule. Perhaps, Used, 4-door, 2.5PWR?

I think we should do some more GT Mode races - they enable you to take the crappiest cars, and turn them into driveable cars. Or, improve the flaws of existing ones.

And just as a final, the most boring suggestion of all: Sub-20 Showdown. Any of those sub-20HP midgets, GT Mode, full-power tune. A Fiat 500R can get as much as 100HP out of the 10km version!

 

[KLR142]

Keira Knightly > Natelie Portman

Hell yea! But I'd do them both. Definitely Keira first though, she's like my number 1, 2 or 3... I just have this thing for Kate Beckinsale(sp?) and Jennifer Garner... Jennifer Aniston too, lol!

Anywho, uhm, I like race tracks. And MRs on Grand Valley, but we've done that at least twice...

Deep Forest, have we been there lately? How about an MR there? Maybe? I don't know, don't have enough time to put in a good suggestion right now... I shouldn't be here! argh. PEACE!

 

[Metar]

Deep Forest, have we been there lately?

Week 73, Holden Monaro @ Deep Forest (Fwd.)

Track suggestions:

• Grand Valley East. Reverse could be nice.
• Chamonix (Only low-powered!)
• Laguna Seca Raceway. Wasn't used for a while, and is both simple and challenging. Would be fun...
• Suzuka West. It's a bit tricky, but more fun than the full one. Endless Esses suck 👎 (Oddly enough, there's no "B-Spec" option for it, neither )
• Midfield Reverse. Last race there, the car didn't fit the track. It's fun with a high-downforce car, or a heavy cruiser.

 

[Azuremen]

I haven't run Deep Forest in a bit, and I think it could go with 4-door combo, since I know BMW's will be coming out. Deep Forest just seems kinda German ish, like the Black Forest maybe.

That or Grand Valley I think...

 

[Kent]

Glad you guys like my suggestions as much as I like all of yours (except all this crazy talk of really low HP racing).

If we were so lucky as to hit deep forest next week, I'd like to strongly suggest we use deep forest reverse since it allows you to hit the start/finish line at full speed on your first lap. DF forward requires you do a lap before getting to a hotlap run since they start you on the final downhill section so slow you come around the last turn much slower than what is possible when we drive from the top of the hill for ourselves.

Basically, deep forest forward requires that with every restart you do a full lap before you can attempt to hotlap. 👎

That said, I'd like to suggest some cars for deep forest reverse. 👍

GT mode: 4 doors with less than 600hp
GT mode: FFs with less than 300hp
Arcade mode: Amuse R1 S2000 vs Opera S2000

BTW, I really like the idea of doing more and more GT mode races.

I think we should do some more GT Mode races - they enable you to take the crappiest cars, and turn them into driveable cars. Or, improve the flaws of existing ones.

👍

Heck, the Impreza Sp C I used last week is one of the few cars I've allowed to keep mileage simply because the settings made the car feel so much better than the stock feel.

 

[Metar]

GT mode: FFs with less than 300hp

Whaaa!
Say that again? An FF with more than 200HP is already tough enough to drive. It's understeery and torque-steery. Only the best-tuned FFs can keep 250HP on the road, and even then you have to be very carefull... I'd rather drive a full-turbo'ed Minolta on N1s. That being said, I think a 205HP restriction should do (As long as it keeps that 406 Coupe beauty)... Enough cars, but no overpowering.

Also, new combos I drove today:

• Jaguar XKR Coupe @ Citta di Aria, Arcade Mode. Fun-Factor: 4.5/5
• SEAT Ibiza Cupra @ Citta di Aria, Arcade Mode, Stock Power. Fun Factor: 5/5 (Among the best FFs ingame). Casio/Greg-factor: 4/5 (No Turbo-V8)
• Peugeot 106 Rallye @ Cathedral Rocks. Fun: 4.5/5 (No understeer, plain rally)

EDIT: The more I drive it, the more I realize we absolutely need to get the Toyota Celica GT-Four out on a rallytrack. It's more or less the only Homologation Roadcar with decent stopping abilities, good handling AND good looks. It's the quickest homologation-car I drove around Chamonix - and it was also the easiest to keep clean. It's goo on Cathedral Rocks, too.

 

[Azuremen]

Glad you guys like my suggestions as much as I like all of yours (except all this crazy talk of really low HP racing).

If we were so lucky as to hit deep forest next week, I'd like to strongly suggest we use deep forest reverse since it allows you to hit the start/finish line at full speed on your first lap. DF forward requires you do a lap before getting to a hotlap run since they start you on the final downhill section so slow you come around the last turn much slower than what is possible when we drive from the top of the hill for ourselves.

Basically, deep forest forward requires that with every restart you do a full lap before you can attempt to hotlap. 👎

That said, I'd like to suggest some cars for deep forest reverse. 👍

GT mode: 4 doors with less than 600hp
GT mode: FFs with less than 300hp
Arcade mode: Amuse R1 S2000 vs Opera S2000

BTW, I really like the idea of doing more and more GT mode races.

That FF thing sounds almost exactly like a GT3 race I remember doing... the two most used cars because the ITR Spoon or something and the Celica TRD verison or something. Was a fun race though.

And GT mode races are my fav, as you do get to learn to de crappify a car. The last one with the Impreza's has made me re think my tuning practices. I've taken several of my cars and re done their settings, creating much faster (though now twictchier) cars, including a Turbo Vitz I had sitting at 250 HP. Fun little car.

And the 4 doors i think should be PWR, not HP, limited. Maybe a max HP, but the PWR gets way way more coming out, as we get people that want that nice top speed for the straights, and then the crazies like me that dig out the lightest weight car they can find and still meet the reqs. Just more variety than people digging out the most powerful, lightweight car possible.

EDIT: Ging, what model are you running? The ST-185, ST-205, or ST-165 (I think its 165, been a bit) I am curious being a Toyota fanatic

 

[Kent]

Generally speaking I don't like to put much power into the FFs.
However, I spent a bunch of time tuning FFs like the EK9 to about 280hp. Many of them handle it quite well. 👍

If anything though, I'd really like to see a FF hp cap go to atleast 250 so cars like the amazing Alfas and Euro Accord can get in on the action.
Euro Accord starts with something like 230 after oil and the same goes for the Alfa GT. Both are great cars and handle the power very well.

Of course, maybe I'm just really good with FFs but I've never had much trouble keeping them on line.

 

[AngelCreator]

dear lord, if we must do nurb then please let it be in something grippy 'cos otherwise it'll be a breakingpoint competition like never before.

The Suzuki GSX-R/4.

Love the Super-Salloon idea although I'd like to see that without the M3 GTR. I'd go with something just like what you said but I wouldn't constrict the options to anything other than "must have four doors" and then I'd add PWR rules.

And there are ALOT of 4 doors... FF, AWD, and FR. Lots of potentiol there I think... I like.

I like the 4-door suggestion, but I think such a wide selection is a bit too much.

GT mode: 4 doors with less than 600hp

And the 4 doors i think should be PWR, not HP, limited. Maybe a max HP, but the PWR gets way way more coming out, as we get people that want that nice top speed for the straights, and then the crazies like me that dig out the lightest weight car they can find and still meet the reqs. Just more variety than people digging out the most powerful, lightweight car possible.

Every one is talking about 4 door cars or sedan's. If you can come and take a
look here and tell me what you think.

except all this crazy talk of really low HP racing

And what is wrong with low horsepower cars? I think it would be cool, nice and fun
to use a low horsepower car for once. And every one could race too.

 

[Metar]

Generally speaking I don't like to put much power into the FFs.
However, I spent a bunch of time tuning FFs like the EK9 to about 280hp. Many of them handle it quite well. 👍

If anything though, I'd really like to see a FF hp cap go to atleast 250 so cars like the amazing Alfas and Euro Accord can get in on the action.
Euro Accord starts with something like 230 after oil and the same goes for the Alfa GT. Both are great cars and handle the power very well.

Of course, maybe I'm just really good with FFs but I've never had much trouble keeping them on line.

Agreed, the Alfa and the Euro Accord handle the power well. But did you try tuned-power cars? A Toyota Yaris (Vitz for NTSC) 1.5RS Turbo, with 250 HP, just understeers into the wall. As soon as you get on power (even in 6th), you spin...

 

[Kent]

I have seen that sedan series before and just didn't commit. I will consider it again though since you have brought it to my attention. 👍


About the Vitz...
Of course the Vitz is going to react like that with 250 hp. I wouldn't expect anything else.
Thing is, a Vitz with 250hp and an Accord with 250hp have some seriously different pwr ratios.

With that in mind, it would be a good idea to run pwr caps as well. 👍
Of course, the thing is, those are two different types of FF. The Vitz is a really small car and the Accord is a big old family hauler.
For the kind of FF race I had in mind there would be a stress on using certain FFs over others. Tiny lightweights aren't my first choices... I like the big dogs like the alfa and accord...

In any case, I'm going to load the game today and look at what could be setup. That might help since I'm currently working on nothing but memory.

Also, if memory serves me correctly, we did a low HP race just a few weeks ago when there was a 64HP limit.
At this point in my GT playing I'm going to have to say anything with less HP than my real life Corolla has low HP.

 

[Metar]

BTW... I've spent a while yesterday tuning the Volvo Brick. It's quite a blast to drive when properly tuned.

 

[DustDriver]

I've tested the Ford Escort Rally Car '98 with 304HP on Chamonix and with a bit more practise, i think it's very possible to avoid hitting walls and having a fast time.

It would be fun if we did a WRC on that track.
The snow also fits in with the Christmas theme
(except for the inhabitants of the southern part of this planet )

 

[Super T]

FF racing. 👍

As long as I get to use the Ford Focus RS...Surprisingly nice car to drive, even with a little extra power whirring through the front wheels.

Not sure what track to put the FF's on, what with them being super sensitive to the track surface...Not too many bumps please Colby? I was going to say one of the Fuji tracks but we've used that recently. Motegi...D'oh!?!

Something fast, flowing and smooth?

Edit: As much as I don't like doing the rally tracks, I like the idea of Chamonix or similar for the white christmas theme. 👍

Darren.

 

[2078TM]

And what is wrong with low horsepower cars? I think it would be cool, nice and fun to use a low horsepower car for once. And every one could race too.

I agree, just a few days ago as I was working my way through 200 point races I used a reasonably modded Fiat 500 at Motorland and it was an absolute blast once I adjusted to the low power and ridiculous suspension geometry.

 

[Kent]

My favs for FFs are Deep Forest, GVeast, Motegi East.
Of those three I'd like to see something like...

GT Mode: Deep Forest Reverse: FF w/ >250hp & pwr equal to or higher than 4.0. S3 tires.

That makes things really easy to work out since you can use 1000kg & 250hp as an easy 4.0 marker. 👍

 

[CRXnut]

FF, <250 hp, 1000kg - I know what car I'm gonna use for sure :-)

 

[Metar]

Update about the Chamonix suggestion: If it's not the wonderfull Toyota Celica, then there's only one choice: A Peugeot. I'm not biased (well, not in this case). It's just because there are Peugeot sponsor-signs all over the place

 

[Kent]

If there were no PWR restrictions, 1000&250 would be Integra and Celica territory.
With PWR restrictions at 4.0, the Civic and many other that fall in the 900kg range would have a much better chance.

 

[Metar]

If there were no PWR restrictions, 1000&250 would be Integra and Celica territory.
With PWR restrictions at 4.0, the Civic and many other that fall in the 900kg range would have a much better chance.

Which is why I suppose the 4.0 restriction would be better for the most. Not many cars get less than 4.0 without power-adding, so it'll let everyone race their favourite FF.

EDIT: And now that my Bias is official, some Chamonix-cars:

• Any of the Group-B Pugs, even though they're massively overpowered for this race, and should be very difficult to control
• The 205 Turbo 16 Pug Road/Homologation car, with 0% power is makes a nice round 200HP. A blast to drive, corners heavenly, and isn't overpowered
• Or, we could venture in the (yet) unexplored realm of FF Rallying (except by the real-life Brad/Greg), and enter with, perhaps, the 106 Pugs, or the Renault Clio Renaultsport.

And Darren's suggestion makes perfect sense as an addicting Christmas Snow-rally combo.

EDIT 2: Oooh! Found such a marvelous car... It's not as quick as the Peugeot 205 Roadcar, or the Celica 4WD, but it looks just as sexy, and is even more fun to drive.

• Audi TT 1.8T Coupe (180HP, Arcade Mode Downtune if you want it easier. Is just as fun either way)

+Added Clarkson Effect.

 

[DustDriver]

I just finished a clean lap on chamonix with a Subaru Impreza Rally Car '99.
You really have to find a balance between defensive and offensive driving and
you have to control the slide to get a good speed.

But it's very satisfying when you eventually succeed in finishing a lap without hitting anything.

Oh, and i suggested the christmas snow theme

 

[steven]

as one of the loyal div3 participants i would like to very much unsuggest any iceracing in wrs, come christmas or not. any rallying in gt4 is horrendous compared to other racing programs and i (for what it's worth) don't like it a bit.
(but i will participate 'cos i want to keep submitting every week if at all possible)

 

[Azuremen]

Kent, about that 250HP Vitz... it handles fine if you know what you are doing, unless you have N tires on, I haven't tried it with that yet. On sports, my Vitz is doing fine after I tweaked the suspension.

I am with Kent on this. FF's at Deep Forest!

 

[AngelCreator]

Or, we could venture in the (yet) unexplored realm of FF Rallying (except by the real-life Brad/Greg), and enter with, perhaps, the 106 Pugs, or the Renault Clio Renaultsport.

I wouldn't mind driving the 106.

GT Mode: Deep Forest Reverse: FF w/ >250hp & pwr equal to or higher than 4.0. S3 tires.

I would drive this:tup:.

Kent, about that 250HP Vitz... it handles fine if you know what you are doing, unless you have N tires on, I haven't tried it with that yet. On sports, my Vitz is doing fine after I tweaked the suspension.

This is true, if tuned right FWD cars over 300HP drive fine.

 

[SimVision]

hmm! vtec battle??

 

[Super T]

Darren's suggestion makes perfect sense as an addicting Christmas Snow-rally combo.

Can't take credit for that?

Oh, and i suggested the christmas snow theme

👍

My favs for FFs are Deep Forest, GVeast, Motegi East.
Of those three I'd like to see something like...

GT Mode: Deep Forest Reverse: FF w/ >250hp & pwr equal to or higher than 4.0. S3 tires.

👍 Yep. If thats an open car race that'll let me use my Focus RS...Cool.

 

[Metar]

👍 Yep. If thats an open car race that'll let me use my Focus RS...Cool.

'Tar-battle on the next open-choice?
We'll see what the Clio and Alfas have to say about it.

EDIT: It's always nice to see how the steward shuts everyone up when he gives 'em dogs a grippy week...

Here's my suggestion: More 'fight-cars'. Part of what I really like about Arcade-mode WRS driving is the part of 'forcing' the car to obey. I don't like grippy cars that handle perfectly when I need to race for the clock. Sure, it feels good, but most of the driving is pure luck - "Hit every corner perfect", which demands too much time I don't have. I absolutely loved those weeks where most of the fight was to get around the track first, and only then about improving. Week 75, 79, 80 were all superb examples - the low grip meant that grip was spare (or juuuust sufficient to keep you on the road), and most of the driving was an attempt to 'fight' the car into obeying you. Fighting the track could also be an option, but then again, you can't do it with a perfect-handling car. I like those weeks best where the car has a serious flaw... GT Mode racing also has this, but it's less extreme there (since you get the help of tuning).

Not many will agree, but it's just my definition of a fun week. I only came to realize this yesterday...


EDIT 2 (This thread's been dead ever since Cyril and Colby posted those blasting-good combos...):
More Ice. Now that it snowed all over the world, including Israel (A day before it snowed in Europe, on Christmas Day), I think the Ice race is appropriate. And, now that we did an Fwd Rallycar, perhaps we should do an Rwd car, as well? I picked out two lightweights, pre-'70s, low-power FR cars that might be up to the job:

• Isuzu Bellet GT-R (Nissan?) '69, -2% power (about 115HP), -10% weight
• Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 (Boxy one) '65, 0% power (about 115HP), -10% weight

Note: Both weigh around 700KG when lightened, so apart from some extra power-changes, they could easily end up as a two-car battle...

EDIT 3: And just look how photogenic a Chamonix race is:

 

[KLR142]

Wow. It's been a while!

I'd love to see a fully modded, or near fully modded car on Race tires in GT mode sometime... Street car, of course. 300hp(with torque) and up, please. 900hp max, maybe?

Which race tires depend on drivetrain and hp level... Something with good grip, but not obnoxious like R5s can be on some(most) cars.