Sunday Cup - Season Two

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Plans to run this last night went awry as I managed to get myself sent home from work with a mild concussion after being checked out by paramedics. :ouch:
Going to have a go now as I'm feeling sore still, but definitely a lot less woozy.
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Okay, thanks. I'm a bit worried now, if R2s are going to wear out, then R3s are going to be red.
 
Car-less is in a 4WD car though, which are notoriously hard on their front tyres anyway. My RX-7 was nowhere near torching it's tyres by the end of lap 2, and may even have gone a full third lap before having issues. Then again it only weighs 1137kg with the Stage 1 weight reduction. :D

I've had my 3 runs at this, and suddenly realised that I'd forgotten to do an oil change before handing over my remaining cash to SVX! :dunce:
My 3 races were valued at 50, 59 & 68 A-spec points respectively! (Against the same AI field!) Oh well!
As it happens I spun out on lap 2 exiting Karrussel during race 1 and lost about 6s.
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In race 2 I managed to pass all AI cleanly, but I left a Mazda black paint line down the barrier in the approach to Steilstreke on lap 1.
In race 3 I once again passed the AI cleanly only to have a moment at Antoniusbuche that required a few sets of bicycle clips and several sets of underwear to recover, but not before clobbering the barriers at ~170mph! :eek: The rest of the race went pretty well, but my worn oil had begun to take it's toll and I finished 2/10ths behind my race 2 time! I suppose it shows a little consistency at least!!!
 
I'll gift you 50 CR Smallhorses.

Do you think it's a good idea to go R3s, or should I go R2s and use the rest for power mods?
 
Smallhorses
Car-less is in a 4WD car though, which are notoriously hard on their front tyres anyway. My RX-7 was nowhere near torching it's tyres by the end of lap 2, and may even have gone a full third lap before having issues. Then again it only weighs 1137kg with the Stage 1 weight reduction. :D
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This is why I simply got the later RX-7 chassis instead of going 4WD when I upgraded cars! 👍
 
SVX
I'll gift you 50 CR Smallhorses.
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's OK, I've already done my races. My fault, my foul. :dunce:

SVX
Do you think it's a good idea to go R3s, or should I go R2s and use the rest for power mods?
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I'd probably stick to R2s and more power. What's your Camaro weighing in at? I'd imagine somewhere in the 1300 - 1400kg range, so it'll not be as dainty as my RX-7 was and will wear tyres quicker.
 
Thanks Anderson.

Code: 
[B]SVX's Camaro

Budget: 23,616 CR[/B]

[B]Racing Hard (R2s)[/B]-- 10,500 CR - 23,616 CR = 13,116 CR
[B]Weight Reduction Stage 2[/B]-- 5,500 CR - 13,116 CR = 7,616 CR
[B]Port and Polish[/B]-- 5,500 CR - 7,616 CR = 2,116 CR

[B]471 bhp, 883 nm, 1326kg[/B]

THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH SMALLHORSES, FLYNN77 and CAR-LESS!

The car rocked today. Had an awesome battle with an Saleen S7, ended 2 secs behind when I snap oversteered into a wall just before the last corner.

I want to thank BH-21 for hosting, and Car-less for the betting. It has been great and exciting couple of months (?) racing with all of the competitors. Especially since every race I do makes me improve my skills.
 
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AndersonG22
I ran R3's on the rear and R5's on the front, SVX, you will be fine with R3's on the rear but you need R2's on the front.
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If your talking about your Sunday Cup car, that is an admission of cheating you know and will cost you the championship.
 
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BH-21
If your talking about your Sunday Cup car, that is an admission of cheating you know and will cost you the championship.
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I got them mixed up. I did testing at the 24hour enduro and found that racing hard tires lasted two laps, so I told SVX to run them. I also tested racing mediums and found that the rear tire lasted 2 laps but the front didnt. I ran race mediums on the rear and super hard race tires on the front, I couldnt afford hard racing tires.
 
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BH, this whole series has become a joke. I really do appreciate you putting it altogether, but wasn't it all originally based on the honor system? Look at Anderson. Mixing up R5's and R1's is easy to do. Lord knows I've made that mistake many times, and it could have been anybody. Let's lay off the accusations of cheating.

The interesting thing is, I've seen both Korza and Anderson post videos and such. I have no capabilities of doing so. If I were accused of cheating, I'd really have no way of defending myself. What then? Would my word not be good enough?

It was fun while it lasted, but when you don't even know who the winners are at the end of the series, that's a killer for me. I sincerely hope that all this can be worked out so that more series can be held in the future. Although I doubt I will be participating anymore, I'm sure others would have fun.

Peace, guys. It's been a trip. :D
 
A single typo and a challenged time which is proven feasible when a video is supplied are one thing, others are not.
I'm sure I read somewhere Flynn77 that you have a Gameshark device.
Did I get that right?
If so, you're in a far, far better position to provide replay evidence (if requested) than most others as a Gameshark save can be attached as a .zip file to any GTP post. Such a file could be downloaded by someone like me that has a MAXDrive, run through the .xps/.sps* to .max converter program and viewed as a real replay within GT4 which you could then not possibly edit while I was viewing it thousands of miles away. It would provide open & shut verification of your time and whether it meets the rules for cleanliness of a series, far better than a single screenshot of a finishing time which cannot show HP or tyre type or any forbidden use of NOS or shortcutting, for example, or a video capture of several laps stitched together to create 1 clean one (as was tried in the past and lead to the banning of a GT4 WRS driver.) I'm just citing examples of what's possible here, based on prior experiences, not leveling accusations at anyone.
For the most part everyone that's active here is in it to win it, but with the good grace and honesty to submit proper times within contest boundaries and have the humility to accept where they come in the weekly or final standings knowing that they've done their best and had fun competing.
You could also do the same with my laptimes, just request a replay and I'll have a .max file up here within 24hrs. Run it through the .max to .xps/.sps* converter program, and hey presto! you can, via the magic of "Replay Theater", ride in-car with Smallhorses! :D It's a useful tool for improving as you can use a Ghost Replay save as a ghost to follow in Time Trial or Practice Mode, and learn where you're losing time.
I used to do it a lot with GT3 & GT4 WRS replays from faster drivers when they submitted replays for podium positions.

In this case AndersonG22 was making an observation to assist another driver in gaining some time, and it reflects in his own submission that clearly R5 tyres weren't used (I'm guessing in this instance with the voracious appetite that Nurburgring has for tyres, that R5s despite their initial quickness would actually have been a hindrance due to the fact that you'd have driven most of the 2nd lap on tyres redder than a baboon's rump, which doesn't usually have positive effects on handling or laptimes.)

* there are differences between Gameshark & Sharkport, one produces .sps files and one produces .xps files. One is in NTSC format & one is in PAL format, though I can't for the life of me remember which way round it is. I do know, however, that unfortunately PAL & NTSC replays in any format are not interchangeable, so it means that only another NTSC driver can verify an NTSC replay and only another PAL driver can verify a PAL replay. (There's a few notable exceptions to this rule that I know of, folks like Sphinx or Famine that have multiple PS2s in multiple formats and can thus check just about anything.)
 
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I'm sorry guys that gave me the money. I basically wasted the money. I was still too slow. I think, during the holidays, I'll improve my skills.
 
SVX
I'm sorry guys that gave me the money. I basically wasted the money. I was still too slow. I think, during the holidays, I'll improve my skills.
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Not wasted, you hopefully had fun & enjoyed it that's the main point. 👍
However, it does somewhat prove the old adage that "power is nothing without control" an thus a bit of "back to basics" might help.
Did you spend much time on licence tests in GT4?
They're worth revisiting if you settled for Bronzes all-round first time through. They'll teach you the finer points of how to scrub off 1/10ths of a second for individual bends and hone your skills in doing this in slower cars. Fishing for 1/10ths in slower cars is harder than in faster ones, however, once you can do it in the slow cars, the technique you've gained will help enormously when you come to to faster cars. Additional power will only get you to the next bend quicker. If you lack the technique to get round a bend quickly, you'll lose any time that you've just gained.
Check out the Missions & Licence Tests subforum, there's some good guides there to improving. See if you can get all Silvers or Golds in some or all of the tests. Sure it can be frustrating to chase down that final fraction of a second, but all the time you're learning about car positioning, braking distances, weight shifting, throttle control, and ultimately it'll make you quicker & more consistent.
If you do happen to have a Gameshark or MAXDrive, go have a look in the GT4 WRS Archives there's plenty of replays there that you could download and learn from (as I mentioned in my post above).
Consistency is a wonderful thing, if you can run consistent laps, your racetimes will be improved too. Take my 2nd & 3rd runs at Nurburgring here, although the car specs varied a little due to my oil going off in the 3rd run, my finishing time for both races (after almost 14 minutes of driving) only differed by 2/10ths of a second.
 
korza493
Personally, I feel that this series has gone from being something people wanted to join to being a complete and utter joke. I don't think it will continue on.
Also, Anderson made a simple mistake, one that many people have made. Don't be so harsh on peolpe when they make mistakes, BH-21, because we're all human after all.
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You really should check your PMs, people are doing their best to keep things behind closed doors for your benefit, and posts like that are not helping matters.
 
korza493
Personally, I feel that this series has gone from being something people wanted to join to being a complete and utter joke. I don't think it will continue on.
Also, Anderson made a simple mistake, one that many people have made. Don't be so harsh on peolpe when they make mistakes, BH-21, because we're all human after all.
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Its clear you dun did us dirty, a jury of your peers found you guilty.
 
Smallhorses
Not wasted, you hopefully had fun & enjoyed it that's the main point. 👍
However, it does somewhat prove the old adage that "power is nothing without control" an thus a bit of "back to basics" might help.
Did you spend much time on licence tests in GT4?
They're worth revisiting if you settled for Bronzes all-round first time through. They'll teach you the finer points of how to scrub off 1/10ths of a second for individual bends and hone your skills in doing this in slower cars. Fishing for 1/10ths in slower cars is harder than in faster ones, however, once you can do it in the slow cars, the technique you've gained will help enormously when you come to to faster cars. Additional power will only get you to the next bend quicker. If you lack the technique to get round a bend quickly, you'll lose any time that you've just gained.
Check out the Missions & Licence Tests subforum, there's some good guides there to improving. See if you can get all Silvers or Golds in some or all of the tests. Sure it can be frustrating to chase down that final fraction of a second, but all the time you're learning about car positioning, braking distances, weight shifting, throttle control, and ultimately it'll make you quicker & more consistent.
If you do happen to have a Gameshark or MAXDrive, go have a look in the GT4 WRS Archives there's plenty of replays there that you could download and learn from (as I mentioned in my post above).
Consistency is a wonderful thing, if you can run consistent laps, your racetimes will be improved too. Take my 2nd & 3rd runs at Nurburgring here, although the car specs varied a little due to my oil going off in the 3rd run, my finishing time for both races (after almost 14 minutes of driving) only differed by 2/10ths of a second.
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Thanks for the awesome post Smallhorses. I first settled for bronze, but just last week, I got the silver prize. I've got like, five tests to get all gold, I've tried but so far I can't do it. I'm pretty close on them though.
 
korza493
Personally, I feel that this series has gone from being something people wanted to join to being a complete and utter joke. I don't think it will continue on.
Also, Anderson made a simple mistake, one that many people have made. Don't be so harsh on peolpe when they make mistakes, BH-21, because we're all human after all.
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I am quite appalled at your comment, the series is only as good as it's participants, and your dishonorable actions has made a mockery of this series. I have been skeptical of many of your times during this series, and your so called proof, to a challenge is completely inadequate, and show just the type of person you are. Rules governed by the honor system should still be followed, and your failure to do so, shows your character, or lack there of.

Even more, then you try to attack the hosts' competition, calling it a joke. You sir, are the joke here! BH-21 has tried to be more than diplomatic in this case, to handle the situation very delicately for your benefit, and you post a rant like a spoiled brat. I think you owe all of us, who competed fairly, an apology!

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Sorry I missed the final race, got stuck working mandatory overtime, and did not have enough time to run. I did do a b-spec @ 14'42.602 but didn't submit it, because that is not in the nature of the series.

Congrats to everyone who ran honestly.

A special thanks to BH-21 who spent many hours trying to keep tabs on all the drivers', their purchases, balances, times, etc. trying to run a fair and balanced competition. This competition exploded in it's second running, far beyond any expectation, and you did one heck of a good job keeping everything together throughout. So hats off to you BH-21 on your good job here!!

Also, a thanks to Car-less' Ninja betting shop, bringing yet another facet to this series.
 
I echo what GrumpEone says, even though I wasn't in at the beginning due to completing my 1st of June Society run, I've really enjoyed competing in this and the fact that there's so many additional aspects when you've a running budget, modifications and betting shop to play with have made it one of the best run and organised series I've ever competed in. It's a refreshing change from the single spec cars or use of handicap ballast / power in arcade mode that's typically gone before.

I'm hoping that BH-21 will look beyond the difficulties and proceed with another series that'll be enjoyed by many active & honest participants on the GT4 forum.

Thanks again for a stellar job in sorting this out, and to Car-less for the Ninja Betting shop.

See you for Season 3, all being well. 👍
 
Flynn77
BH, this whole series has become a joke. I really do appreciate you putting it altogether, but wasn't it all originally based on the honor system? Look at Anderson. Mixing up R5's and R1's is easy to do. Lord knows I've made that mistake many times, and it could have been anybody. Let's lay off the accusations of cheating.

The interesting thing is, I've seen both Korza and Anderson post videos and such. I have no capabilities of doing so. If I were accused of cheating, I'd really have no way of defending myself. What then? Would my word not be good enough?

It was fun while it lasted, but when you don't even know who the winners are at the end of the series, that's a killer for me. I sincerely hope that all this can be worked out so that more series can be held in the future. Although I doubt I will be participating anymore, I'm sure others would have fun.

Peace, guys. It's been a trip. :D
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I owe you an apology, BH. I saw the proof, and am shocked. :(
 
AndersonG22
I won season 2, I just got R1's mixed up with R5's and BH took my points away.
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I think this should help resolve matters, in a positive way.
I didn't for a minute ever suspect AndersonG22 would've tried this with R5s on the front since even given their ferocious grip, their lifespan is awful. On a tyre-eater like Nurburgring, that's never really going to be an advantage. Just for giggles though, I built his car equipped the "typo" tyres and took it for a spin (almost literally!)
The front end grip caught me out under braking numerous times and I'd find myself turning in where I was expecting to with RSH fronts but climbing the kerbs because the car would just go where it was pointed, and the less grippy back end was prone to breaking loose! I even got some opposite lock on through Karussell on lap 1!!! :eek: However, by the end of lap 1, the fronts are already bright red, and lap 2 was just a battle to keep the car on the road, resulting in the loss of almost a full minute over my lap 1 time and meaning there's no way this is how AndersonG22 achieved his submitted time.

I then drove the car with his declared RSH/RM configuration, as I and everyone else knows he ran it, and it's a much better drive, consistent with the tyrewear he described in the post when he inadvertently referred to RSHs as R5s instead of R1s as they're correctly designated, in order to try an help out SVX, and also verifies the time he submitted is easily possible. (I did touch an AI car in this replay though. :()

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure, if you've a half-hour to kill, here's a video of both attempts! (Sorry for the poor video & sound quality, I've no idea why my camera keeps getting the flickery grey bar across the screen, and in the "typo" video, our gas water heater in the garage kicks in towards the end of the lap and roars away in the background! :guilty:)


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