Sundays 17:00-19:00 GMT - HISTORIC LM Replicas: Champions: Siggers, Harsk, PimikiFinished
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When will the points be updated?
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Sorry - been a bit busy on other projects - should be today
Ahh, good times!Thanks to @Sick Cylinder for organizing this awesome series and all fellow racers for great battles!
Thanks for feedback Tarnheld - as this series is turning out nicely I am working on a similar concept using the grid at Sebring. In 1968 the Sebring 12 hours was run as a round of the World Sportscar Championship and simultaneously the Trans Am (USA Saloon) Championship. Roger Penske Chevrolet Camaro's came 3rd and 4th!
Great pictures Tarnheld and @John Wells
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Round 4 was held at Deep Forest which is the closest track in the game to Greenwood Roadway. This track was only open from 1963 to 1966, but its races featured some of the fastest sports cars in the USA. I've included some pictures as a tribute to Greenwood - some excellent photos of Round 4 have already been posted by John Wells and Tarnheld.
Above number 25 the "Cro Sal Special" was a Bill Thomas Cheetah a car built with help from General Motors to take on the Cobra. Only 23 were made before Chevrolet withdrew their backing. Definitely a car I would like to have in the game!
I really enjoyed the races at Deep Forest and was able to run more competitively than normal - running close behind Flaco and Manasseh in some races. By some miracle (luck) I finished 2nd in the 1966 race - I feel sorry for IfAndOr who slipped to 3rd, but would have beaten me, but for a last lap incident.
The championships are warming up nicely. Above 1967 Lex Lathor leads GT3 on 152, Danielsspel leads GT5 on 49, Manasseh leads GT40 on 143. Below 1966 Siggers leads Prototypes on 77, Lex Lathor leads GT40 on 56.
Next Round 5 from Zahara our tribute to the Targa Florio. Enjoy this great short documentary about the race:
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I know, I was on for the win! I should have probably opted for the inside line. Never mind, no problems, that's racing. 👍
Perhaps it was for the best, me spraying the champaign everywhere would have made a mess of the room.
I enjoyed myself in all three races.
In the first race I was going well until I only just grazed the always wet PD grass and the GT40 just went totally out of control spinning across the track and back again. Unfortunately when it came to rest it was just in front of an approaching Lotus. Result, more spinning and damage to both cars - sorry again Daniel.
In the second race I managed to keep it on track. Again going well until I caught up with Eran, who I couldn't get past cleanly. I think I had the better handling but he had better acceleration. We played cat and mouse until the finish. Good racing Eran.
The third race after a few overtakes and a some spins & crashes by others, I found myself in front! This was unfamiliar territory for me and I almost crashed myself when I realised this. But I kept going at a good pace although towards the end my tyres were going off so I eased off a little and Siggers and Sick reeled me in slightly. Two corners from the finish we came upon the unsuspecting Mallet and John who were involved in their own battle. I went for the outside hoping to cut back in and Sig's went for the inside. Four wide didn't work out to well, there was some coming together between us all and I ended up on the same section of grass that I spun my GT40 on! Sig's got through and Sick flashed past. I continued for a (still good for me) 3rd.
I'm liking the GT40 more and more. And after my nearly win, the Jag is growing on me as well. I just want to go around with a leaf blower next time to dry the grass off.
Catch you all next time. I'm not sure about Zahara de la Sierra though, the cars tend to get strung out there. I'll have to stretch the gearing out a bit.
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I've finally had a chance to check the replay, I've just loaded the PS3 up for the first time since the race.
I was involved a chain reaction of contact that eventually led to you being knocked off the track. If I had been better at knowing how to get out of the way, it might not have happened. I'm sorry about that. I remember thinking, "here come the leaders, get off the normal line so they can get passed". Of course, the line people will need to take varies with circumstances. While struggling to manouver the car already, I do feel I should have slammed myself into the grass to make certain I was out of the way.
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Each week I have featured an interview with one of the Regular Drivers in our Sunday Race Series - this week words of wisdom from Eran who came third in our previous championship.
1. What is the secret behind your speed?
Being a musician has probably helped me quite a lot. Each track has its unique rythm and each corner requires split-second timing. Racing around the Nordschleife is very similar to playing a symphony: you need to know what's coming next, prepare for it and execute it with precision. And just like playing a musical instrument requires muscle memory, so does racing a car. The hand needs to find its way to the shifter, the left foot needs to be able to operate independently from the right, your arms needs to interpret the force feedback and be able to recognize understeer, oversteer, traction, bumps, etc.
2. Do you use a wheel or controller?
I use a Logitech Driving Force GT wheel. It has served me well for about 5 years now! I'm sure there are better wheels out there, but a good wheel remains a good wheel until you've tried something better, so I'm going to avoid trying something better until I need a replacement
3. If you use a wheel, what sort of wheel and rig or stand?
Well, in GT5 I attached my wheel to a table, but now I've gone lazy and decided that the table isn't necessary anymore, so I simply hold the wheel with my knees! It requires some legwork when the force feedback kicks in, but that's alright, it just means that I can count my GT6 sessions as "workout".
4. How many hours per week do you practise?
Not nearly as much as I should! When I do practice it usually pays out in the end, but I don't really have the patience to practice a lot on my own. Instead I mostly drive my favourite cars on my favourite tracks, but I think that's also valuable to some degree.
5. How do you tune your cars - what do you start with first?
The fundaments are power, gearbox and weight. Power is often given by the regulations, so there's not much to fiddle around with, although sometimes you may work with the power limiter and different power options to tweak the power curve in your favour.
As for weight, if it's possible to adjust the weight balance I usually do that. In general, understeer is an archenemy of mine so I often try to move the ballast as far back as possible, to reduce the moment of inertia around the vertical axis (which means less force is required from the front wheels to rotate the car).
The gearbox settings depends on the power curve, the amount of gears and the expected speed. The goal is to have the engine operating as close to peak power as possible for as long as possible throughout the race. If the power curve is flat that's an easy thing to do and you can have quite a wide gap between each gear. For peaky power curves the gear ratios needs to be closer to each other, in order to not lose too much power when you shift gears, and in those cases it's a matter of having to sacrifice power where you think it's least useful. For high speed tracks it's often best to have a wider gap between the lower gears and tighter between the higher gears. For tracks with a lot of low speed sections it's often the opposite (although since torque = power/speed, this means that at low speeds the benefit of power is reduced, as you can only apply so much torque to the wheels before you start losing traction). For tracks that are somewhere in between, you'll have to find the best balance.
Also worth knowing, regarding the gearbox, is that the bigger the gap between the gears, the longer time the shift is going to take. That is because the shift sequence waits for the engine speed to drop to meet the new gear ratio before it engages the clutch, and the longer the speed will have to drop, the longer time it's going to take. It's a tiny difference, but it may have a big impact from standing starts, especially since the shift from 1st to 2nd is usually pretty long by default.
The next step is to take it to the track and find out how it behaves during acceleration, braking, cornering, etc. I'm no expert on suspension tuning, but I've got the basics of over-/understeer and I know the purpose of the limited slip differential so I do some guesstimations and then pretend it's good enough.
6. How long have you been playing GT?
Started with GT and GT2 in the end of the 1990's. I skipped the PlayStation 2 and then got GT5 Prologue in 2009 I think. So in total I've been playing for about 10 years.
7. How old are you or is that private?
I'm 29.
8. What does your family think of your hobby?
I'm single, so that's not really applicable. My brother is a Forza fan though, but we played a lot of Gran Turismo when we were younger. Split screen races at Tahiti, Seattle and Grindelwald in GT2!
9. What sort of car do you drive in real life?
A 400 bhp, 2000 Nm Volvo with 22 inch rims
But I don't actually drive it myself, I pay a chauffeur to drive me. And if you absolutely must know, it's actually a public bus...
Don't have a driving licence yet, too expensive.
10. Do you drive fast in real life?
I don't think I would. I'm not interested in speed per se. I'd be Captain Slow on the roads and save my Stig superpowers for the track
11. What car would you drive if you won a lot of money?
A 1960's Alfa Romeo, perhaps a Giulietta Sprint.
Car Change for Round 5
Don't forget that if you are racing in Classes GT3 or GT5 in the "1967 Three Ten Cup" that you will need to change cars for round 5. Note - this only applies to Gold and Platinum license drivers it does not apply to Silver drivers who will remain with the Ford GT40.
Next Round 5 from Zahara (Targa Florio Replica)
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- johnwells69
How many laps for the races on Sunday?
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- HarskGaming96
You can find them on the 1st post. 👍How many laps for the races on Sunday?
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Thanks Harsk:tup:👍👍
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You welcome John...
Well, this round will be a non-Horning round, as the use of horn is forbidden.... But what if I overlap a car, what can I do to warn you that he's being overlapped?
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No you shouldn't.
That incident was just a result of the cars meeting at an unfortunate time and place. The lapping cars should really expect the unexpected.
Don't worry about it. I always treat the racing as entertainment, I didn't loose any prize money.
Horning - you've got a new word there.
You could perhaps try flashing your lights to let someone know you're approaching. It's less annoying than the horn. But don't over use/abuse that idea.
I like your new race results display @Sick Cylinder - Much clearer. 👍
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Okay then.Horning - you've got a new word there.
You could perhaps try flashing your lights to let someone know you're approaching. It's less annoying than the horn. But don't over use/abuse that idea.
The layout is much better than before in my opinion. 👍
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Plans for 2016 and beyond...
Before Gran Turismo Sport was announced I had already decided to get myself a PS4 for Christmas 2016 (i.e. not this year, but next year). It appears likely that this will fit with the schedule for Gran Turismo Sport which is expected to start beta testing in Spring 2016 and I think will go on public sale around Christmas 2016.
We don't yet know what sort of game Gran Turismo Sport will be, but I am hoping that @Flaco13 and @DVArt and any other of our Sunday Racers who currently have a PS4 console will take part in the beta test and post their impressions on our sunday racing thread - I value and trust their opinions much more than those of the wider GT Planet community from whom I constantly hear conflicting opinions about other racing games.
If it becomes clear that GT Sport will be a suitable game for our race series I will plan a transition across to PS4 and GT Sport probably in early 2017. If it is not going to be suitable I expect that I will continue to host meetings on the PS3 for GT6 until we can transition to GT7 on the PS4. At this stage I have no plans to host meetings on Asetto Corsa or Project Cars, but I will be interested to hear your impressions and either of those could be an option in 2017 if GT Sport is not a suitable game for us.
To help with my planning and records I will now add a poll to this thread about the PS4. I would like to have a record of who has a PS4 and if not, when they are planning to get one. If people are not planning to get a PS4, but intend to switch to PC, Xbox One or retire from Sim racing that would also be helpful to know. This may seem like a long way off, but 2017 will soon be with us!
Before Gran Turismo Sport was announced I had already decided to get myself a PS4 for Christmas 2016 (i.e. not this year, but next year). It appears likely that this will fit with the schedule for Gran Turismo Sport which is expected to start beta testing in Spring 2016 and I think will go on public sale around Christmas 2016.
We don't yet know what sort of game Gran Turismo Sport will be, but I am hoping that @Flaco13 and @DVArt and any other of our Sunday Racers who currently have a PS4 console will take part in the beta test and post their impressions on our sunday racing thread - I value and trust their opinions much more than those of the wider GT Planet community from whom I constantly hear conflicting opinions about other racing games.
If it becomes clear that GT Sport will be a suitable game for our race series I will plan a transition across to PS4 and GT Sport probably in early 2017. If it is not going to be suitable I expect that I will continue to host meetings on the PS3 for GT6 until we can transition to GT7 on the PS4. At this stage I have no plans to host meetings on Asetto Corsa or Project Cars, but I will be interested to hear your impressions and either of those could be an option in 2017 if GT Sport is not a suitable game for us.
To help with my planning and records I will now add a poll to this thread about the PS4. I would like to have a record of who has a PS4 and if not, when they are planning to get one. If people are not planning to get a PS4, but intend to switch to PC, Xbox One or retire from Sim racing that would also be helpful to know. This may seem like a long way off, but 2017 will soon be with us!
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I'm planning to buy a PS4 some time next year, when the prices drop and i'm still hoping i can get around buying a new wheel and still use my perfectly good G27 -- yeah, wishful thinking, i know. 
As it stands right now, PS4 + T300 + PSN amounts to 700+ Euros, and as of now there are no games that can lure me into making that investment. Actually i'm quite happy with the GT6 fun i'm having right now.
As it stands right now, PS4 + T300 + PSN amounts to 700+ Euros, and as of now there are no games that can lure me into making that investment. Actually i'm quite happy with the GT6 fun i'm having right now.
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I would be waiting, not trying too get involved in the hype.
PS4, new wheel, all mounts up
Do we need full PSN account, how will the game not be suitable?
I would like the game too come with everything, not in a series of instatements
PS4, new wheel, all mounts up
Do we need full PSN account, how will the game not be suitable?
I would like the game too come with everything, not in a series of instatements
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I'm undecided about the PS4. I'd say that I'll probably get one, but I can't say for sure.
To play online on the PS4 you need a subscription. It doesn't seem very expensive though, in Sweden I think it's 480 SEK per year (about €50).
To play online on the PS4 you need a subscription. It doesn't seem very expensive though, in Sweden I think it's 480 SEK per year (about €50).
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Thanks eran
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I've been planning on buying a ps4 for a while but there just aren't enough good games to be honest. I'll probably get one next year like everyone else, or like BB said, whenever the community I race with at large has made the transition. Paying to play online has been why I've waited this long mostly, since I really don't play anything online other than GT.
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I'm budgeting and saving up right now to buy a PS4. I probably won't get one until mid 2016 or so. I'll probably have to invest in getting a wheel that summer if we're being honest. The $50 subscription a year isn't too bad for me (It's a little unnecessary) but I think I'll be able to afford it.
Bottom line, expect for me to have a PS4 soon.
Bottom line, expect for me to have a PS4 soon.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I begrudge parting with my hard earned money to pay to race online - Sony try to justify this on the basis that you get lots of free content, however I am not interested in the free games which are included with PS+. In answer to @Harsk100 membership of PS+ is required to play online - I believe it is cheapest to pay annually via Amazon for this.
I can't switch to Xbox One to play Forza because my wheel is not compatible. A few years ago I ordered a G27, but I am now glad that I cancelled my order and switched to a discounted T500 as that has been confirmed as being PS4 compatible even though it lacks a new button which the latest wheels have. It's sad that Sony infringed Logitechs patents and ended up paying many millions in compensation - I am sure that the poor relationship between the two companies is why there has been no progress with compatibility for the DFGT, G27 and older Logitech wheels. Hopefully PD can encourage the two sides to work together on the problem.
At the moment I have enough championships planned or under development to last through 2017, but I won't be doing further detailed planning until we know more about GT Sport. At the moment we don't know whether the car list, hosting and other options would make the game suitable for our Sunday Racing.
