Super GT/JGTC Shootout - 07/06 - Shootout Officially Finished!

[VTiRoj]

I'm getting 1:47's with the default setup Cusco Impreza, but with 35/30 on the downforce and the power limiter set so I have exactly 300bhp. I think that's okay.

 

[Michelin]

Ah ok... Thanks for clearing that up

Despite the fact that now my chances of entering this shootout have decreased

Maybe its broken in already from when I bought it in the UCD...

/wishful thinking

No, 🤬, it's a prize car.

My suggestion to you break in your car is leave your B-Spec drivers do a full race around Grand Valley 60 Lap Endurance. Since 300km is enough to break in your car, that's the perfect even to break in the car while you do a handfull of other thing you might need to do.

 

[VTiRoj]

Ah ok... Thanks for clearing that up

Despite the fact that now my chances of entering this shootout have decreased

Maybe its broken in already from when I bought it in the UCD...

/wishful thinking

No, 🤬, it's a prize car.

UCD cars come fully broken in, even the 0 mile cars.

My suggestion to you break in your car is leave your B-Spec drivers do a full race around Grand Valley 60 Lap Endurance. Since 300km is enough to break in your car, that's the perfect even to break in the car while you do a handfull of other thing you might need to do.

I just did that and you end up with 182 miles. You'll have to do a lap of something else to raise those 4 last miles.

 

[Michelin]

UCD cars come fully broken in, even the 0 mile cars.

I just did that and you end up with 182 miles. You'll have to do a lap of something else to raise those 4 last miles.

Then the Laguna Seca endurance should be enough to break in the car

 

[trackripper123]

I shall try my best, access to the PS3 right now is... difficult shall we say...

 

[XDesperado67]

Ah ok... Thanks for clearing that up

Despite the fact that now my chances of entering this shootout have decreased

Maybe its broken in already from when I bought it in the UCD...

/wishful thinking

No, 🤬, it's a prize car.

Standards don't require a break in period. Only premium cars have to be broken in.👍👍

 

[trackripper123]

Excellent
Thanks guys, didn't know that

 

[Michelin]

Excellent
Thanks guys, didn't know that

Neither did I!

 

[Diogo]

Day ?

 

[VTiRoj]

Has anyone got a GT300 car running 45's yet? Wondering if I should push my Cusco more.

 

[Michelin]

Has anyone got a GT300 car running 45's yet? Wondering if I should push my Cusco more.

I got a 46.5xx, around that. Can't get much faster than that in the ARTA Garayia.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'll sign up to be a tester for the GT500 cars although I have to be honest, if you get 15+ entries I may not have the time to do it.

 

[Michelin]

I'll sign up to be a tester for the GT500 cars although I have to be honest, if you get 15+ entries I may not have the time to do it.

Ok!

 

[Onboy123]

I got a 46.5xx, around that. Can't get much faster than that in the ARTA Garayia.

I'm so very very near the 45s as well, a 1:46.074, to be precise…in a bone stock, untuned-apart-from-power-limited-to-300hp Garaiya.

 

[krenkme]

By the time everyone has there tune figured out, mine will be last as usual. No need to be scared yet

See, now my 1:47 is looking like a krenkme time

 

[Master_gamer438]

1:43 at Fuji F. Yellowhat YMS Supra '05. Racing Hards, Grip on real and tire wear on. 500HP.

 

[Onboy123]

Argh, this is pissing me off…the car I want to enter, the Purple (👍 for that) Raybrig NSX is so much better a car to drive than my Blue Raybrig…yet because of the lack of torque from the older NSX's engine, the older Raybrig gets its arse whooped to hell and back in a straight line.

And is it just me…or are the JGTC cars much easier to drive when compared to the SuperGT cars?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Argh, this is pissing me off…the car I want to enter, the Purple (👍 for that) Raybrig NSX is so much better a car to drive than my Blue Raybrig…yet because of the lack of torque from the older NSX's engine, the older Raybrig gets its arse whooped to hell and back in a straight line.

And is it just me…or are the JGTC cars much easier to drive when compared to the SuperGT cars?

Not sure if I can answer that question in the bigger picture, but I know the newest Premium Raybrig has trouble getting the power down and keeping the rear end in check. All the 500 MR's have that tendency whether old or new.

 

[Onboy123]

Not sure if I can answer that question in the bigger picture, but I know the newest Premium Raybrig has trouble getting the power down and keeping the rear end in check. All the 500 MR's have that tendency whether old or new.

I see……and what's this I keep hearing about the Epson NSX? I know it's a bit wider and has a 50kg extra, but that's about it. I've heard some kind of horror story regarding its handling on here a while back.

Also, given the fact that my setup has sort of embraced this madness, I guess you and Nascar are going to have quite a time trying to drive it out of the corners with the gentleness of a wheel user. I can sort of manage with a DS3…if not, I just gun it and try to control the slides.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I see……and what's this I keep hearing about the Epson NSX? I know it's a bit wider and has a 50kg extra, but that's about it. I've heard some kind of horror story regarding its handling on here a while back.

Also, given the fact that my setup has sort of embraced this madness, I guess you and Nascar are going to have quite a time trying to drive it out of the corners with the gentleness of a wheel user. I can sort of manage with a DS3…if not, I just gun it and try to control the slides.

All the NSX's including the Epson are a little less stable under accel than the FR's. Combine that with Fuji's last few corners all having a slight rise and fall on them making the car a little "light" going over them and it makes this tendency worse. My solution is to try to be as straight as possible before I hit the throttle and to tune for as much stability as I can find in the back end. Remember too with the wheel you can use partial throttle quite easily so that comes in really handy. It's tricky, very tricky...

I've tested a couple of cars and I can already see my dilemma is to choose between faster/less stable and slower/easier to drive. I see about a 3/4 second gap between them.

 

[Onboy123]

All the NSX's including the Epson are a little less stable under accel than the FR's. Combine that with Fuji's last few corners all having a slight rise and fall on them making the car a little "light" going over them and it makes this tendency worse. My solution is to try to be as straight as possible before I hit the throttle and to tune for as much stability as I can find in the back end. Remember too with the wheel you can use partial throttle quite easily so that comes in really handy. It's tricky, very tricky...

I've tested a couple of cars and I can already see my dilemma is to choose between faster/less stable and slower/easier to drive. I see about a 3/4 second gap between them.

Yea, "point and squirt when straight" is often the fastest way for these things. You can sort of get half throttle with a DS3 as well, the only issue being that it gives your thumb a bloody nasty cramp after you run a 10 lap test session. I know it's tricky, as I just spun and crashed for the 3 time in this one lap.

Oh, it's much worse for me…the Raybrigs are, at best, 0.020 seconds apart. Shame the damn PS3 crashed right after I got that lap though.

Alright, it's more 0.200 when it's an average, but still, when both are driven at the limits, there's virtually no difference in them, however different the tunes make them behave.

 

[Michelin]

Yea, "point and squirt when straight" is often the fastest way for these things. You can sort of get half throttle with a DS3 as well, the only issue being that it gives your thumb a bloody nasty cramp after you run a 10 lap test session. I know it's tricky, as I just spun and crashed for the 3 time in this one lap.

Or do it like me and keep constantly punching the gas button on the DS3.

 

[Onboy123]

Or do it like me and keep constantly punching the gas button on the DS3.

If you did that with my car, it'll probably be safer for all of us if you never drove it in the first place. You can go full throttle with it, just need to time it right so even if it does slip, it only does a small bit of squirreling and squirming instead of stabbing you all of a sudden.

 

[Michelin]

If you did that with my car, it'll probably be safer for all of us if you never drove it in the first place. You can go full throttle with it, just need to time it right so even if it does slip, it only does a small bit of squirreling and squirming instead of stabbing you all of a sudden.

Then it's my type of car. Can I attack the corners with it like there's no tomorrow?

 

[Onboy123]

Then it's my type of car. Can I attack the corners with it like there's no tomorrow?

No. Absolutely and categorically, no. If you do that, Mount Fuji would be a lot smaller overnight. It's by no means easy to drive, which is why I'm extremely glad Johnny joined the testing sides. I'm not feeling very descriptive today, so instead of telling you how much of an arse it is to drive, I'm just going to leave a time here.

1:38.03x. Fastest lap it did in my hands. Now I'm off to try that other car I'm going to use.

 

[XDesperado67]

See if you would just use the right thumbstick for throttle you'd have much better throttle control.

 

[Diogo]

You should put a 1300kg restriction because All NSX JTCC 's are the lightest ones (1100kg> ) and it's a bit unfair for the ones that use Skylines (1200 - 1300kg ?) and the Subarus (1200 kg ?)

:S

 

[Onboy123]

You should put a 1300kg restriction because All NSX JTCC 's are the lightest ones (1100kg> ) and it's a bit unfair for the ones that use Skylines (1200 - 1300kg ?) and the Subarus (1200 kg ?)

:S

Nope. The NSXs are the most handicapped ones in terms of weight. The JGTC GTRs are at 1080kg - 1100kg, as are the Supras apart from, I think, the Castrol Tom's.

 

[Johnnypenso]

No. Absolutely and categorically, no. If you do that, Mount Fuji would be a lot smaller overnight. It's by no means easy to drive, which is why I'm extremely glad Johnny joined the testing sides. I'm not feeling very descriptive today, so instead of telling you how much of an arse it is to drive, I'm just going to leave a time here.

1:38.03x. Fastest lap it did in my hands. Now I'm off to try that other car I'm going to use.

Fuji looks so simple, so wide and kind of flat but it's deceptively difficult to drive and even after all the laps I've put in there I'm not quite sure sometimes what the best lines are.

You should put a 1300kg restriction because All NSX JTCC 's are the lightest ones (1100kg> ) and it's a bit unfair for the ones that use Skylines (1200 - 1300kg ?) and the Subarus (1200 kg ?)
:S

There are lots of cars to choose from up and down the weight scale. I can't see how it's unfair if anyone can choose any car. I think your presumption is the lighter cars will do better, but I don't think you'll find it makes much difference. If you think it will make a difference then pick a lighter car and you'll have a better shot at coming out on top.

 

[Diogo]

There are lots of cars to choose from up and down the weight scale. I can't see how it's unfair if anyone can choose any car. I think your presumption is the lighter cars will do better, but I don't think you'll find it makes much difference. If you think it will make a difference then pick a lighter car and you'll have a better shot at coming out on top.

That's my point even 100kg can make big difference.