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Yes, but the OP has been gone long ago. This thread have already got way too much offtopic.
Tandem Logic.
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I'm sorry, but the comments I made were with the OP in mind. Definitely the comment you didn't understand.
This thread was made for good drifters to get better, not beginners. Simple as.
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So, begginers should not be able to know these tandem tips that you said here? Can you explain me why?
I think that any form of knowledge helps anyone, beginners or veterans.
I think that any form of knowledge helps anyone, beginners or veterans.
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So, beginners need to begin at the beginning. Says enough? Yes they can read this, and get tips from it, but frankly... Beginners won't have a clue what it's about.
Don't assume I dislike beginners, because that's not true, I just stated that the purpose of this thread wasn't for beginners.
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I just re-read the OP and it looks like it's aimed at beginners, there is a lot of info that experienced drifters should know already, if they didn't know that, they can't really call themselves experienced. It looks like tips for newcomers to tandem!
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I still not know why this can't help beginners. Specially at tandem. To tandem you need someone else, you can't tandem alone.
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I agree with this, it does say for starters in the OP dom :/.
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I think "Beginners" in the sense Dom is talking about here is beginners at driving.
The problems seem to be more about people failing at the basics of driving a vehicle rather than the more advanced technique of drifting in sync with another car.
There's "beginners" to driving and "beginners" to drifting. The OP reads as being very geared towards people who understand drifting but are new to/aren't good at tandem drifts.
Certainly not for people who don't know how to check their mirrors and have spacial awareness, two very basic skills of driving a car.
Jumping straight into the deep end seems rather daft to me, so I don't see why a beginner would be reading stuff like this but I've been surprised before
The problems seem to be more about people failing at the basics of driving a vehicle rather than the more advanced technique of drifting in sync with another car.
There's "beginners" to driving and "beginners" to drifting. The OP reads as being very geared towards people who understand drifting but are new to/aren't good at tandem drifts.
Certainly not for people who don't know how to check their mirrors and have spacial awareness, two very basic skills of driving a car.
Jumping straight into the deep end seems rather daft to me, so I don't see why a beginner would be reading stuff like this but I've been surprised before
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Truth be said, the OP is indeed a good advice. To anyone, period.
Edit: beginners means beginners, starters, new comers, to tandem, drifting or anything. Like i said in my post, learn how to drift by yourself, once you know how to hold your car, you go online and learn how to tandem, after all, nobody can learn tandem by drifting alone.
Edit: beginners means beginners, starters, new comers, to tandem, drifting or anything. Like i said in my post, learn how to drift by yourself, once you know how to hold your car, you go online and learn how to tandem, after all, nobody can learn tandem by drifting alone.
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It's NOT the drifting that is the problem. People can drift perfectly, but still be beginners at driving a car. For example, how many people use their mirrors after exiting a pit lane? How many double check if it's safe to get on track again after a spin out? How many are capable of avoiding another car that spun in front of them?
This doesn't mean that these people can't drift. Just means they can't drive. Urie was right. And frankly, we have to many of those around.
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But people like that will always been around. Racing or drifting. It is not even a "beginner", just a dumb person who has no common-sense. Sorry to those who do it, but to me that is being dumb on the track. lol
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True enough, I'm certainly not debating the definition of 'beginner' here. We've had quite enough discussion about the English language.
However what I mean by what I said is, there are different levels of beginner.. if that makes sense?
Like, someone who has never stepped into a car, is an absolute novice. But somebody who can drive a car without crashing is considered "good", right?
But if that person then went from driving a car at normal road speeds and straight into drifting, they'd be considered a beginner again, because they're starting over.
That's what I mean by I think Dom is referring to a different type of beginner, IE those who can't drive normally. However the OP is aimed at beginners to drifting, that's why it wouldn't be of any use to those who are beginners at driving, because it means nothing to them.
I could be wrong, it's just how I'm interpreting what has been said.
I wouldn't really call it dumb as such, it's just something beginners go through.
When all their concentration is on what's coming, it can be very easy for a new driver to forget to keep spacial awareness up and a close eye on what's happening behind them.
It's common sense to those of us who have spent a bit of time behind the wheel, but more inexperienced people seem to often get tunnel vision and forget about their surroundings.
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Dumb is not the right word, you will always keep that. You can't expect everyone to drive... or do anything ''perfect''. If that would be the case, the world would be like a communist society where everyone does the same all the time. What would be fun then? You can't do anything else as the rules say ? Come on this is ridiculousness.
There are so much accidents in traffic, does that mean they are all dumb too? They got their license right? But you can't expect them to all to drive by the rules, don't you ever do something with your car what is not allowed by your Government ?
I am a CH drifter, I love tandem,I always look out and never like to hit other people unless they are my friends and I LOVE drifting solo when there are no drifters online.
The expectations are too high. There is just a small group of advanced drifters if you look to all drifters on and off GTP, just like there is Formula 1 for racers.Not everyone can be as good as Sebastian Vettel when it comes to being a pro. Even if they practice day in day out, some things are just too hard to learn for others.
Some never give up on trying. That is why I type this, for the ones who keep fighting till they get there, and one day they might not be as good as Vettel, but maybe as good as someone who can join the Formula 1. They need a push in the back, not a punch in the face because they don't know the basics (yet). It takes time to learn everything, just look at DriftIdiot, he is a great example. For those who don´t make it , there is nothing wrong with that. They can have good times too.
Everyone is different, you can do nothing about it.
This is not specifically meant towards you DA, no hard feelings, but I am tired of reading how everything should be like. For god sake are we talking about ''drifting'' or the heaven?
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I think i haven't made myself clear.
Accidents do happens, all the time. Yes, you can't expect someone to drive perfectly, but, think with me, lol, if you make a mistake, goes off road, please, don't simply back to the road, look and wait the good time, or if the whole track has a car every second, get on the road, but not right in the middle!
Imagine a situation, since you guys are talking about even real life experiences... a highway... you are at 70 mph, someone is parked and at the moment that person start driving, they pull right in front of you. An accident will happen, and the person that was parked, pulled on the front at a way slower speed is indeed dumb! Because it is logical that it would cause an accident. Yet, both people have driving license.
What i mean is, have a driving license is not a guarantee that someone will drive properlly. If people do that in real life, which happens, who never had to step on the brakes because someone cut you off while driving? If they do that in real, imagine in a videogame where nothing serious happens?
It will always happens, all you can do is ignore, fight won't help. Right, maybe dumb is not correct word, but come on, it is not that hard to not cut people off in a videogame. It kinda spoils the experience of other people, even of the person who went on the road totally careless.
Well, i don't expect everyone to be a Sebastien Loeb, lol, but a bit of "driving courtesy" is very welcome.
Accidents do happens, all the time. Yes, you can't expect someone to drive perfectly, but, think with me, lol, if you make a mistake, goes off road, please, don't simply back to the road, look and wait the good time, or if the whole track has a car every second, get on the road, but not right in the middle!
Imagine a situation, since you guys are talking about even real life experiences... a highway... you are at 70 mph, someone is parked and at the moment that person start driving, they pull right in front of you. An accident will happen, and the person that was parked, pulled on the front at a way slower speed is indeed dumb! Because it is logical that it would cause an accident. Yet, both people have driving license.
What i mean is, have a driving license is not a guarantee that someone will drive properlly. If people do that in real life, which happens, who never had to step on the brakes because someone cut you off while driving? If they do that in real, imagine in a videogame where nothing serious happens?
It will always happens, all you can do is ignore, fight won't help. Right, maybe dumb is not correct word, but come on, it is not that hard to not cut people off in a videogame. It kinda spoils the experience of other people, even of the person who went on the road totally careless.
Well, i don't expect everyone to be a Sebastien Loeb, lol, but a bit of "driving courtesy" is very welcome.
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Are some people not allowed to just be casual players?
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1) Yup, pretty much this.
(2)I apologise if using a real life reference was wrong, but I felt an example using low speeds would be better than using a race track example. Both are applicable but I felt it more prudent.
Yup, this is dumb, no doubt about it. But 'stupidity' stems from inexperience. In this situation this person can't have been driving very long and in most countries in the world (I would say all but I don't know if that's true so I won't) require you to drive with an experienced driver, who would teach the importance of using mirrors.
However in situations such as pulling out on a low speed road, driving along a country road etc, people don't check their mirrors nearly as much when they're experienced. Because as you gain experience you learn the importance of the spacial awareness and knowing what's going on around you at all times.
This stuff is all basic driving ability, which if you're lacking you're going to be weaker at driving online and especially tandem driving.
(3) Absolutely, once again I agree. The license system especially in my country is very poor indeed, I'm legally allowed to drive but I certainly don't feel I proved it in the test I took. (Not that I was driving poorly, just that.. well... it's really easy.. and no extreme circumstance happened so I didn't prove I can react to for example a child running after a ball into the street)
(4) When I said "Dumb isn't the right word" I didn't mean it so strongly, more just.. it's a lack of the common sense gained through experience.
I'm not really sure how to explain it to be honest but I know what I mean in my head
I think the main problem is simply the fact that GT5 is bad, as far as driving responsibly goes.
Think about it, when did you ever feel the need to check your mirrors while playing A-spec/seasonals? I only ever check them out of impulse, not because I'm actively worried about what's happening behind me.
That's the short of it really, there's no preparation for dealing with basic driving techniques because you're not required to or even encouraged to in the game until you go online, where it suddenly becomes massively important.
Of course, but if they're more casual they're not going to be looking at how to be better at tandem drifting and will instead drive with people at their own skill level I'd imagine
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Yes, but once again, experience does not make people check their mirrors! It is not a rule! We do because we are car enthusiasts, but people who don't give a poo about driving, or about others while driving never will.
My aunt, she drives for years, she still does the same mistakes she always did. It is not experience, just... common sense...
Edit: I don't crash my car while playing offline. I avoid it at the most.
My aunt, she drives for years, she still does the same mistakes she always did. It is not experience, just... common sense...
Edit: I don't crash my car while playing offline. I avoid it at the most.
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I wasn't referring to crashing while playing offline, I was meaning worrying about what the AI is doing is pointless because they aren't exactly a threat to you or your car
mm maybe, I guess I'm not the right person to talk about it because I love cars and I'm always careful not to harm my car or anybody elses.
But you're right. It is common sense, it just seems more prominent as you gain driving experience.
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This conversation reminds me of an occurrence that happens often in real life... Ever had someone bump into you by accident? Now if they say sorry, it's not so bad, but when they just keep walking; that feels disrespectful.
Both parties should be responsible for their actions... Some people get bumped in public and their ready to fight. Some people bump into others, and don't care enough to acknowledge it. Both are wrong in my book...
Mistakes happen, learning is a process, and we should try to be respectful of others, no matter which side we're on. I agree with Urie, "dumb isn't the right word"... If anything it shows a lack of understanding.
If someone is doing something you don't like on the track, I think the mature thing to do is address them directly, politely, or even through a message... Not try to put them on blast. A lot of those people are doing things wrong and don't even realize it.
Calling them dumb only makes the drift community look bad, and may discourage them from practicing with others to get better. To be honest, I think some of these "dumb" drivers are just nervous about being around higher skill level drifters.
You guys remember your first online drift competition? It's a tense situation.
Both parties should be responsible for their actions... Some people get bumped in public and their ready to fight. Some people bump into others, and don't care enough to acknowledge it. Both are wrong in my book...
Mistakes happen, learning is a process, and we should try to be respectful of others, no matter which side we're on. I agree with Urie, "dumb isn't the right word"... If anything it shows a lack of understanding.
If someone is doing something you don't like on the track, I think the mature thing to do is address them directly, politely, or even through a message... Not try to put them on blast. A lot of those people are doing things wrong and don't even realize it.
Calling them dumb only makes the drift community look bad, and may discourage them from practicing with others to get better. To be honest, I think some of these "dumb" drivers are just nervous about being around higher skill level drifters.
You guys remember your first online drift competition? It's a tense situation.
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Alrighty then.
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In that point I agree with you...
Maybe if you see a noob on track next to you don't get angry just calm down and try to help him....
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UrieHuskyI think "Beginners" in the sense Dom is talking about here is beginners at driving.
The problems seem to be more about people failing at the basics of driving a vehicle rather than the more advanced technique of drifting in sync with another car.
There's "beginners" to driving and "beginners" to drifting. The OP reads as being very geared towards people who understand drifting but are new to/aren't good at tandem drifts.
Certainly not for people who don't know how to check their mirrors and have spacial awareness, two very basic skills of driving a car.
Jumping straight into the deep end seems rather daft to me, so I don't see why a beginner would be reading stuff like this but I've been surprised before
You may be right but I doubt it, the title reads "tandem logic" not "drifting logic". One would assume this is about beginners to tandem.
As for some people comparing this to real life, its by far not a fair comparison. In real life you have a lot more to lose, the game, not so much.
People also have to realize that in public lobbies, most of the kids on there haven't touched a drivers seat, how would they know what's right and wrong, its just a game to them! Common sense doesn't take place unless they know or have experience, its not inborn but learned! I might know all the road signs in my country just by common sense but someone new to the country might not have that sense, its totally new to them!
Here's a tip though, if someone doesn't like it when someone else pulls onto the track carelessly, stop going to noob rooms, simple! Stick to rooms with like minded drivers, as I do, problem solved!
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I wouldn't class pulling out on some one dumb it's a mistake.also all this check your mirrors talk gt5 don't even have mirrors unless you in cockpit view which not many people use. I use hood view so obviously I have no mirrors. I'm guilty of pulling out on people not because I'm (dumb) but because it was by mistake and an accident. I also know the people stating that there dumb are guilty of this too. No one is perfect and as long as they apologise for there mistake I don't see the big deal.
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