Thank you PD and Kazunori for an amazing game.

[machschnel]

Trying to prove someone's opinion wrong is a sign of immaturity.

Oh the irony

 

[Duck]

more than 1000 cars, tracks, a level system, a G27. GT5. What else?

Great simulation.
Great game.

Thanks PD

 

[grbmrdj]

Is Kazonuri not part of PD?

 

[Pesmerga7551]

Yea, thank you for a glitchy game you prolly won't patch 99% of things we ask for..

 

[zippyuk]

Thank you Kazunori Yamauchi and all the team for all the work and dedication put into GT5, may you continue to go forward in this series. Keep up the good work

 

[Tenacious D]

D, while I share similar feelings about the Thanksgiving story, take it down a notch. Don't tell other members where they can and cannot post, especially considering you have no problems frequenting the "whining" threads.

I don't suppose you noticed, but I've been doing my own share of "whining" about GT5.

And yes, it should be obvious that this is a thank you and appreciation thread, it's not a "What do you think of GT5 and Kaz?" thread. I mean, it does have a freaking title, after all...

^ Whilst i must agree, he was quite "tenacious", why must people come in here to argue the validation of someones appreciation?

No need period.

This is what gets me about some of these regulars like Deve and Lucas. If someone likes GT more than they think is reasonable - to their arbitrary level of course - thy feel the need to come in and school people because they know better. Of course, with a game as hyped and a release product so squirrely, passions are rather high all along the spectrum, so there is a lot of it going on. But they are two examples which have been consistent gray knights about it.

I don't know if this was a spite at religion in general or just saying KY isn't one, will assume the latter... where were you the last few years when people on the forum regularly referred to him as some kind of god, deitizing him left and right?

Because "people" did not left and right. A few people did a few times, and being late to such parties, others had already called them on such posts.

Memo to Lucas: this really is a bit strange. Not the silly stuff you arbitrarily have an opinion about.

About "Gods." There is one God. If there is more than one, they are gods, small "g," because they are one of many. This is a theological, philosophical and literary rule. Rather like every soft drink isn't a Coke, even though people often use it this was in America.

Your list of criticisms is a regurgitation of what others have put forth that can't be discredited and is always more of an apology or excuse letter than anything else.

So... if I luuv GT I'm a fanboy, but if I criticize it... I'm a fanboy?

Did I mention that debating with you is pretty fruitless because you can say anything, have it mean anything, about anything, at any time, because it suits your purpose?

Off topic but does Shino have two Dachshund dogs?

Er... no. I have a feeling we live states apart from each other.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like a random thank you for nothing special isn't fine to recieve, but thanking me for working a holiday was like putting money in a tip jar on a security guards desk... if you want to, go for it. I do not understand why you would think you need to thouh....

Point sails right over head as usual...

BTW why aren't you so avid keeping the hardcore denialist and fanboys out of the threads for us whiners? You only whiteknight when it serves your own cause.

First, the "whining" threads are rarely titled "GT5 Sucks, let's compile why." Rather, these are threads which by their very nature are arenas where points are thrown about with wild abandon, sometimes to see if consensus is there, sometimes to raise points overlooked, sometimes to force people to see things their way. As much as you might like to think that the "What's your opinion on Premium vs Standards" actually means "The Standards suck, let's say why," I think you'd have some serious explaining to do on that.

On some that really are, like the "A.I. sucks" threads, I think they're just flatly wrong, and almost always it boils down to some race where the A.I. tends to ram someone in a turn, or a license test where the bots are scripted. I'll occasionally join in and point out that all the so-called evidence applies equally to just about every racing game ever made. Even the polite bots on Toca will wreck into you on occasion. And that, by golly, stupid wrecks happen in real life racing. I know of no race which was wreck free, though just by statistical chance, I'm sure there are. But of course, they won't hear of it and so I let them chase their tails with themselves till the thread drops into the foggy bottoms of the board.

This thread, however, is not one of those threads. This isn't a debate thread in any way, shape or form.

Second, you have a lot of cheek saying something like

You only whiteknight when it serves your own cause.

when you are pretty much The Official Gray Knight of the GT Planet boards, and invade every thread conceivable to school us on how much wiser you are.

Wow... creep factor x10..

Yes, when you're practically a stalker, you creep us out.

To be honest, that's not all that impressive. I learnt from a young age (karting, then Formula Ford), skill had little to do with most motor racing. Obviously some people just can't do it, but given enough time and MONEY, most people start to put up respectable times.

The fact that Kaz put's up good lap times is irrelevant. If you had his money and backing, I have no doubt you wouldn't be far off him.

Motorsport, even (especially) at the top, is a money game. You got the cash, you got the ride. I'm not saying skill doesn't play a part, but I've seen natural drivers left behind due to the money problem.

You obviously are speaking arbitrarily here. Yes, teams with loads of backing and the best mechanics consistently do better, this is self evident in racing. This has nothing to do with Kaz. He is a natural talent. He isn't actually in motorsports per se. According to rare journalists who happen to get to know him as a friend such as Xavier Ocampo, he speaks with an authority on cars which is rare outside of the auto world itself because his understanding is so deep and involved.

They also didn't have a perfect car for the Nurburgring 24 Hour race this spring, or good weather. Brake problems kept them from qualifying, so I believe they were dead last in their class, 70th place. Rather than being a passably good driver in a field of pros, he was instrumental in suggesting tuning for their Lexus, and in fighting through a packed field in bad weather to finish in an astonishing 4th place against a very competitive group.

Go Kazu-san.

 

[ruf-ctr2]

Thank you for such a great AI that keeps bumping into my car because it is much worst than in GT1, GT2, GT3 and GT4 !

Thank you for such a "great" A-Spec Mode

Thank you for taking "Qualifying" out

Thank you for not using the event creator since GT2

Thank you for the "Kübelwagen" for the "Schwimmwag" , the "VW BUS", 400 different versions of the Mitsubishi EVO, 400 versions of the Nissan Skyline, 150 different Versions of the Toyota Yaris/Vitz. And also thank you for the 50 other cars.

Tank you for putting F1 cars (Ferrai) into the game you can't use for anything else but driving around for your own - but not competing with in in race events.

Thank you that the "AI" outperforms the players car (yes, they are faster on the strait) when using the same car.

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Tank you for the worst GT ever !!!

 

[jhietter]

Though the game leaves some room for improvement, it is built on a strong foundation and has a lot of potential. Good job PD, moving in the right direction.

 

[machschnel]

You obviously are speaking arbitrarily here. Yes, teams with loads of backing and the best mechanics consistently do better, this is self evident in racing. This has nothing to do with Kaz. He is a natural talent. He isn't actually in motorsports per se. According to rare journalists who happen to get to know him as a friend such as Xavier Ocampo, he speaks with an authority on cars which is rare outside of the auto world itself because his understanding is so deep and involved.

They also didn't have a perfect car for the Nurburgring 24 Hour race this spring, or good weather. Brake problems kept them from qualifying, so I believe they were dead last in their class, 70th place. Rather than being a passably good driver in a field of pros, he was instrumental in suggesting tuning for their Lexus, and in fighting through a packed field in bad weather to finish in an astonishing 4th place against a very competitive group.

Go Kazu-san.

"And I for one welcome our new Kaz overlord. I’d like to remind him that as a trusted forum personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground grinding caves.”

 

[Devedander]

This is what gets me about some of these regulars like Deve and Lucas. If someone likes GT more than they think is reasonable - to their arbitrary level of course - thy feel the need to come in and school people because they know better. Of course, with a game as hyped and a release product so squirrely, passions are rather high all along the spectrum, so there is a lot of it going on. But they are two examples which have been consistent gray knights about it.

What gets me about you is that you seem to operate in a vacuum... despite being told over and over that it's an issue if incorrect fact and not arbitrary opinion that I keep addresing, you insist Glen Beck like on "wondering why Dev acts this way". I don't act that way and it's been explained to you over and over what it is I do.

Because "people" did not left and right. A few people did a few times, and being late to such parties, others had already called them on such posts.

I certainly don't have the will to dig through months of posts, but let's just say this: I didn't get thousands of posts on this frum by NOT going back and forth with deitizing members.

So... if I luuv GT I'm a fanboy, but if I criticize it... I'm a fanboy?

No, a few posts where you say things that can't be factually denied do not counter your constant and obvious opinion in all your posts.

Hanity might make a list of things that Obama has done right but that in no way reverses his obvious opinion as to how he feels (at least his on air persona) about the President.

Did I mention that debating with you is pretty fruitless because you can say anything, have it mean anything, about anything, at any time, because it suits your purpose?

I was thinking the same about you except the reason was you have very selective hearing (reading) and it seems it doens't matter what the response is, you just keep moving on with the view that you had set in your mind from the start even if it was just shown to be completely inacurate.

Er... no. I have a feeling we live states apart from each other.

It was a longshot but just wondered... I mean how many Japanese girls named Shino can be out there right?

Second, you have a lot of cheek saying something like

No, I have a lot of experience in this forum on which to base saying something like that.

when you are pretty much The Official Gray Knight of the GT Planet boards, and invade every thread conceivable to school us on how much wiser you are

There are far more threads I don't go into than do, I can tell you that right now, and I can see where I come across as the this gray knight you speak of, but it's always with factual information and reasonably rational and accurate... I suppose the truth appears gray if you are used to rose colored glasses.

Yes, when you're practically a stalker, you creep us out.

Being ubiquitous does not equal stalking... surely you think too highly of yourself to expect I would bother stalking you

 

[snicker3s]

Thank you PD for GT5! Im loving every inch of it.

 

[Lucas]

This is what gets me about some of these regulars like Deve and Lucas. If someone likes GT more than they think is reasonable - to their arbitrary level of course - thy feel the need to come in and school people because they know better. Of course, with a game as hyped and a release product so squirrely, passions are rather high all along the spectrum, so there is a lot of it going on. But they are two examples which have been consistent gray knights about it.

Don't act like you know what I'm thinking, because you obviously don't.
If someone likes GT more than I think is reasonable, I don't have a problem. When someone says something that really doesn't make sense, like thanking someone for making an "amazing" game... that's a whole different matter.

Making things up isn't helping your debate points any.

This is exactly what I think about the bolded part of your post above.


Please keep in mind that I don't have a problem in whether the game is amazing or not. It's the "thank you" part that I find silly. Should this be on the Forza subforum, I would still say it.

But guess what, nobody says something this silly in the Forza subforum. You would be surprised at the level of maturity people have in that subforum.

Memo to Lucas: this really is a bit strange. Not the silly stuff you arbitrarily have an opinion about.

You expect me to read the rest of your post after saying that? Not to mention the rest is completely irrelevant to the topic.

May as well quote something from the end, though.

Go Kazu-san.

Yes, Kazu. Go. Go make a game that isn't half assed. A game that is worth deserving of the GT5 name.

I'll be waiting.


Discussion ends here, because I obviously know you won't accept you are wrong. As you know I won't accept I'm wrong.

I'm fine with knowing by this point who's really right and who's really wrong, though.

 

[Akira AC]

I don't get this thread,If you want to thank Yamauchi then send him a letter,give him a tweet,send him an e-mail but don't make silly threads,is out of context in a forum where people discuss about the game.

We are here to discuss,PD or kazunori yamauchi himself will not read this forums or this thread,and if a thanking message has to be done I will do it in a personal way not in a public site,its like screaming on the street in "thank you for the game",its just nuts and out of place.

 

[albteman015]

Oh the irony

Who was I trying to prove wrong in my post that would make that line so ironic to you? Please explain. I was only stating how it sucks that people continue the same exact argument with each other in almost every thread. It sucks having to look through 3 pages of the same people bickering over the same thing to find the threads that I want. I don't want to stop people from posting and sharing their thoughts but can we have a section for these kind of threads so it could easier to scroll through the forums. What also sucks is that someone cannot say something good or bad about the game without getting flamed by someone.

Seriously, this place is a mess. I am going back to the motorsports forum.

 

[Tenacious D]

Dev, you are a funny, funny guy. Only you could totally say something patently blatantly nutty, and then dance away from it as if you'd never said it like a politician.

Your list of criticisms is a regurgitation of what others have put forth that can't be discredited and is always more of an apology or excuse letter than anything else.

So... if I luuv GT I'm a fanboy, but if I criticize it... I'm a fanboy?

Look, you very strange man. I've noticed that not many will talk to you when you so blatantly contradict yourself, or just pull stuff out of your digestive tract. I've certainly noticed that they abandon debates because you really do just go all over the universe in your arguing. And say freaking anything.

Ten D: Gran Turismo is awesome.

Dev: All you do is love on this series.

Ten D: GT5 has some weird issues.

Dev: There you go again, making excuses for it.

And jeepers, does that get old. No, actually, it did. Like this typical arbitrary declaration that I'm sure you think is true simply because you posted it.

I certainly don't have the will to dig through months of posts, but let's just say this: I didn't get thousands of posts on this frum by NOT going back and forth with deitizing members.

I'm calling BS on this in a bit with a handy thing known as search.

Don't act like you know what I'm thinking, because you obviously don't.
If someone likes GT more than I think is reasonable, I don't have a problem. When someone says something that really doesn't make sense, like thanking someone for making an "amazing" game... that's a whole different matter.

No, to yooouuuuuu it doesn't make sense. I know there are others obviously because four or five have come into this thread, but no one really just declares things as self professed authorities like you or Devedander. And I don't really see anything that makes your posts more valid than any other member. Seeing as your word is just as good as mine, I welcome this:

Discussion ends here

Thank God.

"And I for one welcome our new Kaz overlord. I’d like to remind him that as a trusted forum personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground grinding caves.”

So, I make a post detailing why I see you're wrong, and this is your well thought out support of your point? Cute.

What also sucks is that someone cannot say something good or bad about the game without getting flamed by someone.

Seriously, this place is a mess. I am going back to the motorsports forum.

No kidding. So many mini-mods and self-appointed psychologists around here.

I'm going back to GT5 in a bit, but first I have to see how many idolaters Deve has been schooling.

Edit: Well.... after searching under Devedander's name in the Gran Turismo forums using every theological term I can think of off the top of my head, the only post I can find is the one in this thread, Imagine that...

 

[Astro-Racer]

I'd also like to thank Kaz for GT5

I haven't played a videogame for 9 hours straight since I was 17! (It was FFVII).

Addicted.

 

[tinram]

Yep, i love the game.

for the whiners in here, bring your "wa wa wa wa" on the tons of threads for whiners out there. Your in the wrong room.

 

[albteman015]

I don't get this thread,If you want to thank Yamauchi then send him a letter,give him a tweet,send him an e-mail but don't make silly threads,is out of context in a forum where people discuss about the game.

We are here to discuss,PD or kazunori yamauchi himself will not read this forums or this thread,and if a thanking message has to be done I will do it in a personal way not in a public site,its like screaming on the street in "thank you for the game",its just nuts and out of place.

I agree with you.

Maybe I am missing something but this is a video game. It hasn't changed or inspired my life in such a way that I need to thank kaz for creating it. It is fun but thats why I bough it. So Dev is right in saying my thank you was the money I spent on it. People like him are also weird to me though. I mean if you dislike the game that much why are you wasting your time to make threads on a forum about playing it? If i shared the same opinion as you on it, I would have probably sold it on ebay and gone back to playing forza. It's just a game man.

 

[AgusBmxArg]

Now, do I love those movies? Yes. Have I ever appreciated the people who did these movies? Definitely not.

atleast 2 of your most favorites movies were conceived by the mastermind of Tarantino. No way! No way you don't appreciate that guy's work.

 

[Tenacious D]

I will never appreciate Quentin Tarantino, sorry.

 

[Lucas]

atleast 2 of your most favorites movies were conceived by the mastermind of Tarantino. No way! No way you don't appreciate that guy's work.

Agus, I never said I did not appreciated the movies (I said I loved them, which is kinda the same). What I did say is that I do not appreciate the people who made them, in this case, Tarantino.

Basically, I do appreciate Tarantino's work. I don't appreciate him.

 

[machschnel]

So, I make a post detailing why I see you're wrong, and this is your well thought out support of your point? Cute.

Well my original post, detailing why you're wrong, was met with utter drivel, which to be frank, was the most extreme example of Kaz-love I've seen on this forum (hence the "cute" reply).

Honestly, Kaz has done nothing special. So he does alright in a race car. As I mentioned before, you would too if giving the chance/money. And that time in the race car is looking like a media stunt more and more.

You seem prone to idol worship. There are so many examples of good people to look up to and you choose a game developer? And based on GT5, not even a very good one.

 

[Tenacious D]

machschnel, get real, dude.

What does "money" mean, exactly? Now I have no clue if you're even lucid. "Money" to someone discussing motorsports sensibly means extensive investment by a team owner in training, extensive investment in crew, extensive investment in support, extensive investment in a winning car. Does any of this apply to Kaz? No. He's basically someone who is practically self-made and a natural talent. He is not a product of extensive anything in motorsports.

I have NO clue what the heck you're even talking about, so maybe I'm just going to drop your hot potato because I'm not sure you do either. Have a nice one.

By the way, nice of you guys to stay on topic.

 

[machschnel]

machschnel, get real, dude.

What does "money" mean, exactly? Now I have no clue if you're even lucid. "Money" to someone discussing motorsports sensibly means extensive investment by a team owner in training, extensive investment in crew, extensive investment in support, extensive investment in a winning car. Does any of this apply to Kaz? No. He's basically someone who is practically self-made and a natural talent. He is not a product of extensive anything in motorsports.

I have NO clue what the heck you're even talking about, so maybe I'm just going to drop your hot potato because I'm not sure you do either. Have a nice one.

By the way, nice of you guys to stay on topic.

I wasn't sure, but it's easy to see now. You have a layman's knowledge of motorsports.. at best.

Money is everything in motorsport, especially these days. As someone that does race (me), this is like saying the sky is blue. For someone that watches F1 on TV (you), it should still be fairly obvious, but I guess I'll have to explain.

At the moment, I race Formula Ford. Now, I run my "race team" through my small engineering business (only way I can afford it). Am I the most skilled driver? Certainly not. Have people I've driven against and beat, bought drives in V8 Supercars (our elite race format). Yes. Am I jealous, ofcourse, but I can't afford to buy a ride. This is how motorsport works.

I may drive a car and finish 3rd, but if there is another guy who is willing to pay twice as much for the same ride, but can only muster 8th, who do you think they will take?

Kaz simply bought a ride. The race team didn't ring up Polyphony and say "Kaz is just an enormous race talent, will he please race for us, we pay all bills"

 

[Abu]

Thank You Lord, for self-important whiners who think obsessing over obvious shortcomings is criticism.

If you fell for the hype surrounding this game or any other, you are the fool. Unfortunately it's the usually same types who before release spend much energy inflating the hype, believing everything and making up the rest (weather/time on all tracks, incredible damage, all gt4 tracks will be in the game, etc), who after release start bitching about how they were let down..

I drove my first lap through Nürburgring Nordschleife yesterday, and was blown away once again. Especially the handling of the cars is great in this game, it's pretty clear where the development time was spent. Small graphical letdowns are a small price to pay for that. Amazing game, made in great taste. 👍 At the moment I feel this game will grow on us, and may be regarded in much greater prestige after the initial controversy.

 

[pharm2k]

Big thumbs up for Kaz Yamauchi and his team for an unbelievable game. The enormous effort put into the development of this game is very tangible. I can't believe all the whining I'm hearing. Guys guys... just have a big can of Shut the **** Up. Cheers.

 

[zippyuk]

Yep, i love the game.

for the whiners in here, bring your "wa wa wa wa" on the tons of threads for whiners out there. Your in the wrong room.

👍


I totaly agree, i thought this thread was to say thank you for all the hard work and dedication that has been put into this game. So all you whiners and whingers go and find another thread to moan in, and show your bad manners.

 

[SCUD77]

Is this thread a joke ? GT5 an amazing game, Don't get me wrong im happy to have a new gt game but this, Infact not to be a whiner thank's pollyphony for the glitch filled, 80% GT4, half arsed rush job, well done !

 

[KidCastro]

Lol you guys are hopeless, call this a GT forum... to many haters that are way to critical of this game. I wont call it perfect but its better than any racing sim out there on a console, FM3 or whatever...

Hate opening my browser to this crap, Im not saying we should worship the developers but enjoy a game that seems to have been done for the fans. I hear the most stupid complaints ever on this forum, give it up and get back to driving your self tuned car.

 

[birksy82]

I also want to say well done to PD and Kaz for this game. I cant remember the last time i enjoyed a game as much and from now on i am ignoring the negative comments that are being posted about the game as they are ridiculous PD and Kaz must be laughing their arses off at them.