Thanks, course cutting cheaters.

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To the guys that are now struggling to make it to round 3, I just want to say too smurfing bad. I am frustrated as hell as I was sitting #2 in the midwest without mowing any grass at Toscana or Eifel. I had plenty of time to find at Eifel. But everyone had to whine and they got what they wanted. Now these are the same people whining blaming this that and the other while forgetting that they are the ones in control of their own destiny.

Seriously quit the whining, Vermont and Wisconsin are running out of cheese.

I still don't understand why they got rid of the last two maps. There is grass on the outside of Eifel, same as there was at Cape Ring. Especially don't know why Toscana was removed. I think PD, or Sony, or Nissan, or SCEA really dropped the ball on this competition. Don't get me wrong, I am stoked it is here, and glad I am a part of it.
But why did they even introduce Eifel if they don't like the use of the grass on the exit of turns? They already saw what happened at Cape Ring. I completely understand why they got rid of Indy. That was horrible coding to allow people to completely cut those two turns.
I have nothing against people complaining, because a lot of people made quite a few sacrifices of sleep, relationships, jobs, social events to put the time in at these tracks. We were told there would be 2 tracks and those of us that were very eager for the competition and took time off work, missed sleep, etc. at the beginning of the week got punished. The "cheaters" were not issued any warning that I am aware of, and lo and behold in the following tracks they "cheated" as well.
So for those that missed the things I mentioned above (sleep, work, etc.), are the ones that got punished the most. These were the people most willing to make sacrifices to follow their dream. The way the organizers of the GT Academy have run this event in a way that punishes the legitimate racers more than the cheaters.
It sucks! It sucks for you Choate, that you were a lock to make round 3, until this fiasco. It sucks for the people that were ready to sacrifice whatever need be to make it to round 3(Those people are probably the most sleep deprived and worn out of the whole bunch going into this ridiculous last minute change).
I can see why it gets tiring to see person after person vent. But, honestly, I think a majority of us are just worn out and tired. What really caused all of this mess to start was the lack of programming in the tracks. Secondly, there should have been rules in place that specifically stated no wall banging, grass riding etc. is allowed. Thirdly they shouldn't just arbitrarily change tracks in the middle of the competition TWICE! Fourthly, it would be nice if the exploiters would run these courses legitimately(but GT Academy has made it seem pretty clear so far, that there is absolutely no punishment for these activities).
With a competition with so much on the line, it is very unfortunate it has been run so poorly. It has effected the top players from the first two tracks(Indy & Toscana), the third track (Eifel), and who knows what is going to happen with Madrid and Rome. We can all point our fingers at eachother, but none of us are the main ones at fault.
Could you imagine any other "sporting" event with such a poor setup of rules. A football game, where it is sometimes considered out of bounds when you cross the big white lines that run along the side of the field. Referees that seem to busy doing other things, to even bother looking up to officiate. Certain players starting their routes by crossing the scrimmage line before the ball is even hiked.
I hope you aren't offended that I picked your post to reply to. I really appreciate the help you have provided to many of us, including personal tips through pm and chat. You are a great racer, and by my dealings with you I would also say an exceptional individual.
I think the organizers have all put us in a bad place, and to put it mildly, I think it has made many on this forum and in this competition "Grumpy." When people are grumpy they tend to complain more than normal, and act differently than their true personality. We have all been an awesome community, I have been happy to be a part of it. I will still give this competition what energy I have left. I hope none of us take any of the comments in this thread personally, and I hope the best drivers still manage to move forward.
I wish everyone luck,
Rees

Edit: If you read this entire post, and are ever in my area, I will gladly buy you a beer. :cheers:
 
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They oughta just DQ the people who are blatantly cheating and make a proper example of what won't be tolerated. I wouldn't want these type of mediocrely skilled, bone heads (who should be aware that such driving won't be tolerated...at least in this round) driving for my race team anyways :lol:

I agree. But a precedent has been set at Cape Ring. Or the other precedent set at Indy and Eifel. If they do something else different that would be another fail.

More drama! :yuck:
 
Are we bouncing now or not? What do the LEGIT top guys think? Would you risk getting left behind by not bouncing?
 
i also might not have the time to run any laps, i wanted to put in laps today but that didnt get to happen... might be able to get some in tomorow, i hope:indiff:
 
I think all of us can run at or near a 1:37.9xx hunk. That along with a good time at Rome should keep us ahead of the wall riders. So no need to do it I don't think!?then if they start dq'ing ppl you'll be safe
 
Even better news now. The guy I originally saw do this in the SE (R32AutoXer) is now at the top of the standings in the SE and in the top 10 overall. I would say it's amazing what people do to try and win.... but honestly..... it doesn't really surprise me all that much. I agree with outlaw, they need to just DQ these jerks that do this to move up to set a real precedent.
 
We need to stick together guys - if for some reason these wall riding jerks aren't DQ'd, we need to do our best to get these clowns DQ'd by filing a strong and persistant complaint with the organizors. I know if I were to miss the bubble spot due to a few wall rider scum bags I'll be damned if I just keep my mouth shut and watch these guys continue through the tournament unscathed :yuck:

What a stressful and unpredictable situation we are faced with now :ouch: 👎 This is just icing on the turd at this point :rolleyes:
 
this is why i'm not even bothering to do this anymore.... what's the use really if i did post some faster legit times only to get bumped out literally by the wall bumpers? i lost motivation when they didn't even bother to DQ the people who cut indy
 
this is why i'm not even bothering to do this anymore.... what's the use really if i did post some faster legit times only to get bumped out literally by the wall bumpers? i lost motivation when they didn't even bother to DQ the people who cut indy

I almost feel the same way. I've busted my ass to get as high as I can in the SE region. I'm currently 9'th, and there are at least two wall bumpers in the top 10 atm. I'm hoping they put an end to these shenanigans, preferably without changing the courses again.
 
Lot's of words and stuff
Edit: If you read this entire post, and are ever in my area, I will gladly buy you a beer. :cheers:

No offense taken at all. I think as a community we are all a bit frustrated, and I was just venting at the world and wasn't really responding to anyone. There's always 2 sides of the story, and then the truth.

I'll take you up on that beer if I ever end up that way 👍
 
I almost feel the same way. I've busted my ass to get as high as I can in the SE region. I'm currently 9'th, and there are at least two wall bumpers in the top 10 atm. I'm hoping they put an end to these shenanigans, preferably without changing the courses again.


Over on the gta facebook, a guy is preparing to record all the bouncers and submit the link on the page. Thats a start.
 
...I gotta say, if the bouncing/glitch exploiting is pretty common for round II, wonder what round III will be like.
 
Am I wrong, or weren't Super License tests in GT4 much more strict? If you hit a wall with ANY part of your car harder than a love tap your lap was OVER. If you put 4 off EVER your lap was OVER. If you cut a chicane or anything your lap was OVER.
 
We have to do something.. it seems that the GTA facebook page is the best way to contact them about it. Yeah i know blindside it is just weird that they spent all this time on the game and they were unable to do something so simple.. Looks like PD need to play iracing :)
 
We have to do something.. it seems that the GTA facebook page is the best way to contact them about it. Yeah i know blindside it is just weird that they spent all this time on the game and they were unable to do something so simple.. Looks like PD need to play iracing :)

I dont want to continue to race clean, then at the last second say screw it and bounce, then get DQ'd....

Edit-or do nothing and not make it because they didnt do anything (which i dont think they will..
 
Am I wrong, or weren't Super License tests in GT4 much more strict? If you hit a wall with ANY part of your car harder than a love tap your lap was OVER. If you put 4 off EVER your lap was OVER. If you cut a chicane or anything your lap was OVER.

Ever do the nascar special events? It should be that sensitive. I dont know why it isn't.
 
Are we bouncing now or not? What do the LEGIT top guys think? Would you risk getting left behind by not bouncing?

I'm going to come out swinging and try and take a few more tenths off Rome tonight. If they have to resort to wall bouncing to make top 16, it's because they aren't fast enough through the rest of the track (or rome for that matter) to make it legitimately. With a sub 38.750 at madrid and a nearly 05.0xx lap at rome, I think it'll be hard for wall bouncers to catch us. That being said, If I'm dropping like a rock on sunday afternoon, I'll consider it if I'm feeling at serious risk of not progressing to the next round. I'm hoping to get fast enough in the next 24 hours though to not have to worry about it.

Any thoughts?
 
it is nerve wracking because you don't know if they are going to do anything to the individuals who have done it. All the other times before they have not even slapped these people on the hand and the people who suffer are the clean drivers EVERY time. It is like they are too lazy to go through and just review what laps are legitimate or not
 
it is nerve wracking because you don't know if they are going to do anything to the individuals who have done it. All the other times before they have not even slapped these people on the hand and the people who suffer are the clean drivers EVERY time. It is like they are too lazy to go through and just review what laps are legitimate or not

Exactly, that's why I chose the word consider. If it's crazy blatant that all the top 10 people in every region (via replay) were wall bouncing cheaters, I'd like to believe that they'd disqualify them. I mean, they changed the track from Indy out of "FAIR"ness for everybody, then changed tracks again because, in their words, "However we have found that it is also possible to achieve faster lap times on the new track by cutting corners and driving the car against the walls." I'd say this qualifies as driving the car against the walls. I'm sure they can see it. Lets just hope they DQ the people out of the top ten at the very least on grounds of "FAIR"ness for the other drivers participating legitimately.
 
Yeah i think they will. It would be in our best interests to not resort to this.. then you gotta go through a headache of a night wondering if you made it or not
 
Well I had a chance before, driving a clean line and getting pretty good. But I'm one of the guys sitting on the bubble and people are jumping lightyears ahead, using walls on both Madrid and Rome now.

This just makes me sick and it will feel horrible come 9pm on Sunday cause I doubt I will recover 3-4 tenths to stay in front of the exploiters legit. I'm just doubtful it will be enforceable if everyone is doing it, Sony does not care that much. I will not bounce, I will try to drop my times the real way ><.

You guys on the top are so awesome tho, I hope you blow up the competition in preceding rounds.
 
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Are they actually capable of reviewing the replays of those outside the regional top 10? If they dq those people, the top 10 will scream to dq 11-16...hence the dilemma..
 
At this point it really doesn't even matter and I'll tell you why. They had since the game was released to decide on the track/car combination and test it. They had the long ass time the first round was open to review the tracks thoroughly and they just didn't. It's the same feeling I got with the inclusion of so many standard cars, it's just filler. I love the GT franchise and I'm pleased with the game but there are so many holes and a competition like this just brings them to the surface quickly.

I mean with so many years in development there shouldn't have been not one standard car, so I mean we shouldn't expect really anything more with track exploits and lack of a real good penalty system.
 
They had since the game was released to decide on the track/car combination and test it. They had the long ass time the first round was open to review the tracks thoroughly and they just didn't.

The difference this time is the track cutting made the 2 largest automotive news sites in the country. Autoblog and Jalopnik ran the story. I work in the automotive industry in R&D and can tell you that Nissan was not aware of what was going on. They do NOW! When your company ends up on those 2 sites it's either a great thing and the boss takes you to dinner or **** hits the fan internally.

But this is only my experience in the industry so take it how you may.
 
No offense taken at all. I think as a community we are all a bit frustrated, and I was just venting at the world and wasn't really responding to anyone. There's always 2 sides of the story, and then the truth.

I'll take you up on that beer if I ever end up that way 👍

Would be happy to sit down and have a brew and laugh about this whole thing. Sounds soo good right now.
 
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