The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

[turbomp301]

We Do, link

It is even on the front page.

Cool!

Should be bumped to the top with a "READ THIS!" beside it.

So people truly believe that we have already seen over half the tracks in GT5 already? COO-COO

 

[Simple SIM]

If you saw the actual Japanese page, the text was:



For those not fluent in Japanese, let me run through it for you. There are two parts to this sentence which are not entirely separate, but we'll get to that in a bit.

コース is a word borrowed from English. It's simply how the Japanese spell the word "course" in their phonetic alphabet. 以上 means "more than". So we have "20 course more than". Pretty simple, and putting it into proper English grammar gives us "more than 20 courses".

In the second section, we again have 以上 meaning "more than". レイアウト is again a borrowed word from English, "layout". It's open to some interpretation what they mean by this, as it's not a common English word in that context and could mean several things. I've looked in past Polyphony literature to see what they use it to refer to in older games, but it's hard to find.
Lastly, the most important part of this sentence, the particle の. This particle indicates belonging, or something being a subset of a larger group. It's usually used in the format "noun1"の"noun2", for example "PeteのPS3" would be "Pete's PS3" or "the PS3 of Pete". One noun is often omitted when it's obvious what it would be. And here we have a case of noun1 being omitted. This could make stuff difficult, but the only other noun that has been referred to is "course". So this gives us a proper sentence of 60コースのレイアウト以上. This would be literally translated as "60 courses' layouts more than", or in proper English "More than 60 layouts of courses".

Of course, this information could be faulty or incomplete. But assuming that the leaked page was accurate, there are 20 courses with 60 layouts and a layout is a subset of a course. The obvious interpretation is that a layout is a track variant.

Obviously, I'm as hopeful as the next person that this is not what we end up with, but based on the information given this is what we have. You may choose to disbelieve it if you wish, but I'd prefer that people didn't try to warp the translations into something they want it to be.

P.S. If this has gibberish symbols in it, they're Japanese text.

Well......you certainly do sound like you know what you're talking about.

I hope the quote you translated was wrong ( and that's why they took it down ) because you don't sound like you are.

Thanks for the translation 👍

 

[Mietek]

Do you really believe that KY - creator of the best racing game ever, is going to release GT5 with 20 tracks? GT4 had 50 tracks, so after 5 years of developement PD's next hit won't have more? I think that PD will transfer all of GT4 circuits (or at least most of it) and add some (e.g. Top Gear track, Madrid). Even if GT5 would be released in 2010, i know that KY will not let us down, and he will deliver more tracks then in any other racing game.

 

[Stevisiov]

Yeh, I wouldn't toss yourself over a bridge just yet, the chance of GT5 shipping with 20 tracks, is smaller than the chances of me pulling Eva Mendes.

*Warning post may contain mild exaggeration*

 

[Sturdy]

...

Thank you, a sensible post. We'd all love there to be more than 20 tracks, but at the moment, all we have to go on is what PD put up on their site, which is 20 tracks, 60 layouts.

Sure it's not very nice, and hopefully not very likely, but nobody is helping matters by throwing their own hopeful contortions of what they've read into the mix, as it'll just lead to people getting disappointed and moaning when GT5 doesn't contain every GT track ever, plus 20 new ones we've never seen before...

It's just a case of fingers crossed really

 

[turbomp301]

The quote is from PD is "more than 20 tracks with more than 60 layouts".

Why is everyone thinking only 20?

 

[Sturdy]

The quote is from PD is "more than 20 tracks with more than 60 layouts".

Why is everyone thinking only 20?

OK, so it might be 21, but if it were significantly greater than 20, say, 27, they'd say more than 25...

Fine it could just be PD purposefully teasing us, but again, to avoid disappointment, it's probably easier to take a conservative (admittedly pessimistic) view

 

[Simple SIM]

The quote is from PD is "more than 20 tracks with more than 60 layouts".

Why is everyone thinking only 20?

First off I'll say that I don't believe those numbers ( I think they got taken down because they were just flat out wrong ) I think there will be WAAAAY more than 20 Unique locations.

But just from a marketing standpoint, if they say "more than 20" it doesn't usually mean a lot more. For example if it was 30, they wouldn't say "more than 20" they'd just say 30.

EDIT : Damn you letdown =p

 

[Da-Bomber]

I'd just accept that there are 170 cars with damage and a cockpit view. The rest have neither of those things. There are also only 20 tracks.

Accept that and deal with it (if that means not buying the game, then fine).

Then, if news eventually emerges saying otherwise, you'll be happy. 👍

In GT 5P 70 cars had cockpit so they have those cars with damage?

 

[MSH]

Remember that GT3 had less tracks than GT2. So it wouldn't surprise me that GT5 would have less than GT4...
Still, 20 is not that much given the amount of tracks that has been confirmed, but I'd like to see some hard facts (i.e. not a page that was instantly removed again from PD's website ;-)) before jumping to conclusions.

The only thing I know for sure at the moment is that I'm going to enjoy the game. A lot.

 

[Timppaq]

Give me Suzuka & I'm happy.



















..ok, Nurb too.

 

[Fruitcake]

People still think they will release this with only 20 tracks?

 

[jonathansp]

Is there really only a limited amount of cars with a cockpit view?

 

[daus26]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=116309

This is not 100% PD stuff.. but the guy who posted, he knows his resources! I think he is a SPY!

Also always KAZ comfirmed on numerous interviews that he wants all cars and tracks from GT4. .. Besides lets say , lets just say, that we get 30 tracks, I bet there will be DLC, some free some for $$$

I can't believe it, but Circuit de Valencia, the track the was supposedly confirmed from the GTPSP intro is on that list!

Top Gear Test track was even predicted at that time too (which by the way is over a year ago), and it looks like we will be having it in GT as well, so that's two completely new tracks to GT that are predicted and true. Impressive.

This is assuming all tracks from GTPSP will make it into GT5 of course.

 

[Northstar]

I believe the Top Gear track was known about before GT5P was even out.

 

[Cocomoto]

I just don't believe that only 170 cars will have interior views. Come on, so what about the 830 left ?
I don't think PD will make it, if they do... God save their souls, because everyone on the internet, gamesites, magazines, tv will aiming their neck, and i'll be with then !

But seriously, this just can't be true, imagine how strange will be the cars in the track, some with the interior modeled others just like GT4, no way.

 

[ajprice]

Those other 830 cars are different models of Nissan Skyline, Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Evo, so they can use the same three interior models with slightly different textures

 

[the_fatadder]

I really hope there will be more tracks,
I'd certainly say that if there are any tracks (or cars for that matter) which are on the PSP version and not in the real game there will be some serious anger (not only from the likes of the 'hard core' on places like this, but by the journos writing the reviews (and eventually the average guy on the street.)

I'd say the 20 tracks means something else, maybe 20 real world tracks...
I would be very very surprised if theres only 20 in the game (given that to do Nascar justice they will need 5 or 6 different ovals for a start......)

 

[valleymd]

Maybe 20 realworld tracks? That seems do-able to me. I think there were only 13 real world tracks in GT4.

 

[ComposerRyan]

20 tracks, at least to me, is a lot...many successful games don't even have that much. But, then again, we are all talking about speculation but we'll see. I would rather have 20 high quality tracks than 60 tracks that were after thoughts and rushed developed.

 

[Slurm]

if the feature list is wrong why do we expect 1000 cars

haha, exactly what I was thinking. good news = true, bad news = the info was incorrect!

I too would be quite disappointed with 20 tracks as opposed to 80. There's many classics that are sure to be missing if the figure is indeed true. I just speculate whether the reason for such a low number is because they've been modelled in a way that will allow the dynamic weather that so many want. One thing is for sure: A racing game = cars + tracks, and you can bet these guys haven't been sitting on their hands and completely ignoring a whole half of the cake. If it is 20, there will be a good reason, such as allowing for weather and night.

Any proof of 20 tracks?
I thought its 20 LOCATIONS, 40+ tracks about 80+ Layouts.. and 20 to be revealed.

There is no SOLID PROOF for 20 tracks.. Come back with this thread once TGS comes around next month. Thank you.

I vote for closing threads like this until we get 100% accurate INFO!

Same goes to people that B___h about damage not being done right,, God its only a small DEMO, and allready we might have a confirm that there will be internal damage..

People, give it a break, DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE POSTING STUPID ACCUSATIONS!!!!!!!

So, to summarise: Your post is a combination of numbers that you've "thought", re-affirming that there is no proof, telling everyone to stop talking, voting to close the thread, going off-topic about damage, and then telling everyone to shut up again and calling them stupid. Not cool. 👎

 

[Fruitcake]

I believe the Top Gear track was known about before GT5P was even out.

True: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=99359

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> My take of the matter is, this is too early to speculate the correct amount of tracks to be implimented on a massive game like GT5.

-> I too am bothered with this "only 20 tracks" debacle. As a wish list contributor, I can't see this to be happening at all.

-> But if there is no (solid) truth, there is no reason to cry about it. We just have to wait for TGS then.

 

[torontoml]

if the feature list is wrong why do we expect 1000 cars

Because there were only certain parts that did not translate well. Most of it made sense, but there were a few points that didn't make much sense in Japanese let alone when it was translated to English.

 

[Slurm]

Because there were only certain parts that did not translate well. Most of it made sense, but there were a few points that didn't make much sense in Japanese let alone when it was translated to English.

AFIK, the only part that was confusing was the 170 premium cars description. I was watching the forums that day and several very good Japanese speakers all came to the same meaning for the tracks, with no confusion: "20 courses with 60 layouts", with our own Lotrzyna citing the japanese particle symbol which means "part of the whole" or "belonging to".

 

[cudadude2]

is the Valencia track the F1 track?

b

 

[reece22345]

People need to stop an just think for a second.

For starters the translation was bad and instead of this whole cockpit view then ACTUALLY meant internal damage modelling. People have just slowly taken it out of context.

Secondly, if GTSP has 35 tracks you actually think a 32Mb handheld will double the course number of a game on a 20GB blu-Ray?

Chill people, wait for TGS. We know if PD is going to do something they are going to do it well.

 

[Schmo]

People need to stop an just think for a second.

For starters the translation was bad and instead of this whole cockpit view then ACTUALLY meant internal damage modelling. People have just slowly taken it out of context.

Secondly, if GTSP has 35 tracks you actually think a 32Mb handheld will double the course number of a game on a 20GB blu-Ray?

Chill people, wait for TGS. We know if PD is going to do something they are going to do it well.

50GB son...

 

[RazzlDazzle]

You know, about the cockpit thing, I've been thinking. At first it really didn't bother me. Now that I think about it more, I said this before, this will be my first full Gran Turismo game (I've played Gran Turismo games before, but not thoroughly, or having owned the game). I bought GT5p and became used to driving in the cockpit view. I tried driving the GT-R Prototype and, with it not having the cockpit view, I did terrible in the race. I tried other cars, too, and even those I did pretty bad. Hopefully most of the cars will have 'em...

And the damage doesn't bother me too much, really. We're lucky we have it at all

 

[jagenigma]

Okay, 20 tracks with 60 variations? That means that 3 varaitions for every 1 track, I doubt PD will release GT5 like that. I am prety sure the game will have more than 50 tracks without variation.
Remember, the official list still hasn't come out so the OP could be a lie.