The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

this is the translation I found on most websites :
■ Courses
60 courses confirmed with 20 or more to be revealed

so the 20 thing is courses to be revealed, now whether or not the 60 courses are original and not variations, that's yet to be known.
 
I doubt PD would do what T10 did with F2 and use about the 40 variations of the test track to boost their numbers.

👍 GT has what Forza doesnt, 4 previous versions with a back catalog of awesome original tracks. I doubt that PD would leave out these classics.
 
and also the cockpit thing. I mean it was in the same sentence that stated 170 cars will have damage that said 170 with interior modelliing. Now the track issue it says 20 tracks with 60 veriations. amar updated his WINDS to say the same thing. i haven't seen a translation that says otherwise. i know it sounds really strange but what are the chances of the being true.

Any proof of 20 tracks?
I thought its 20 LOCATIONS, 40+ tracks about 80+ Layouts.. and 20 to be revealed.

There is no SOLID PROOF for 20 tracks.. Come back with this thread once TGS comes around next month. Thank you.


I vote for closing threads like this until we get 100% accurate INFO!

Same goes to people that B___h about damage not being done right,, God its only a small DEMO, and allready we might have a confirm that there will be internal damage..

People, give it a break, DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE POSTING STUPID ACCUSATIONS!!!!!!!
 
- 20 track it's a ********.
- interior: engine, part under bumper .. that you can see when the car is damaged. So to show that the car must be full modeled. I think the cockpit view will be on all cars and also in gt5p there are gt4 cars with cockpit view.
 
sorry for the double post, I just laid my eyes on the feature list again, and "I think" I'm reading it better now, I'll show you : 170 Premium new models (full interior modeling i.e the interior corresponds to vehicles damage)

my point is what they meant by "full interior modeling" in this particular sentence is "the interior corresponds to vehicles damage" and this is exclusive to the 170 premium cars, the rest should have "interior modeling" as opposed to the "full interior modeling", I know most of you have already thought of this but this is actually the first time I see it this way.
 
sorry for the double post, I just laid my eyes on the feature list again, and "I think" I'm reading it better now, I'll show you : 170 Premium new models (full interior modeling i.e the interior corresponds to vehicles damage)

my point is what they meant by "full interior modeling" in this particular sentence is "the interior corresponds to vehicles damage" and this is exclusive to the 170 premium cars, the rest should have "interior modeling" as opposed to the "full interior modeling", I know most of you have already thought of this but this is actually the first time I see it this way.

In my opinion:
-full interior modeling: you break the bumper, you see the part under the bumper; you break the bonnet you see the engine ( the cars must be modelled also in the interior to havce damage)+ cockpit
- Interior modeling: only cockpit.

so:
170 cars with damages and cockpit
830 without damages but with cockpit
 
Well, sometime you have to think with logic. Logic tell me that in no way that the biggest game PD has ever made, with the largest disc available, is no going to ship 40+ less tracks they the predecessor and 15 less then the Mobile version.

20 tracks wouldn't even cover WRC and NASCAR. On the low side there probably is at least 5 tracks for each.

@Justin, cant believe I agreed with a Vikqueens fan :sly:

Isn't nascar driving round in a circle ?lol. anyway forza 2 had a silly amount of tracks...what was it 9 + test tracks or something...and that wasn't so bad. I don't think there will be 20... maybe 10 real world circuits, 5 city, 8 fictional, 5 dirt and snow, 5 test tracks etc + nascar tracks.

GT5 won't be perfect (nothing ever will, whenever technology advances, so do our expectations) but....IT WILL ROCK & set a new benchmark, cheers guys
 
but it said 60 tracks confirmed with 20 or more to be revealed... i had my japanese friend on psn to confirm this.

But that also doesn't make much sense to me.

60 tracks confirmed? Confirmed by who? And what ARE these 60 confirmed tracks? So far we only know of 13.

60 confirmed tracks with 20 to be revealed.

Doesn't that sound like 80 confirmed tracks? :confused:

20 tracks adding up to a total of 60 variations actually makes sense. It's just the number seems too low.
 
But that also doesn't make much sense to me.

60 tracks confirmed? Confirmed by who? And what ARE these 60 confirmed tracks? So far we only know of 13.

60 confirmed tracks with 20 to be revealed.

Doesn't that sound like 80 confirmed tracks? :confused:

20 tracks adding up to a total of 60 variations actually makes sense. It's just the number seems too low.

All GT4 tracks..
There has also been a List of tracks long time ago that will be NEW to GT series, 20 tracks we dont know of yet.
 
Isn't nascar driving round in a circle

I know your just joking but really they only need 7 or 8 tracks to have a good example of the different types of tracks they race on.

Any proof of 20 tracks?
I thought its 20 LOCATIONS, 40+ tracks about 80+ Layouts.. and 20 to be revealed.

There is no SOLID PROOF for 20 tracks.. Come back with this thread once TGS comes around next month. Thank you.


I vote for closing threads like this until we get 100% accurate INFO!

Same goes to people that B___h about damage not being done right,, God its only a small DEMO, and allready we might have a confirm that there will be internal damage..

People, give it a break, DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE POSTING STUPID ACCUSATIONS!!!!!!!

Well I agree about people doing research, if we only talked about confirmed things the GT5 forum would literally be a ghost town.
 
All GT4 tracks..
There has also been a List of tracks long time ago that will be NEW to GT series, 20 tracks we dont know of yet.

That sounds great.

Can you post a source that claims that all GT 4 tracks will be in GT 5? Because if you can then you've instantly dissproven this whole 20 track mess. :)
 
That sounds great.

Can you post a source that claims that all GT 4 tracks will be in GT 5? Because if you can then you've instantly dissproven this whole 20 track mess. :)
I believe Kaz said it a long time ago. I wouldn't take it as fact, although it is looking likely based on GT Mobile.
 
And it would make sense too because GT 5 has all GT 4 cars and then a good deal more. Only seems to reason that GT 5 would have all GT 4 tracks and then more ontop aswell:)
 
Isn't nascar driving round in a circle ?lol. anyway forza 2 had a silly amount of tracks...what was it 9 + test tracks or something...and that wasn't so bad. I don't think there will be 20... maybe 10 real world circuits, 5 city, 8 fictional, 5 dirt and snow, 5 test tracks etc + nascar tracks.

GT5 won't be perfect (nothing ever will, whenever technology advances, so do our expectations) but....IT WILL ROCK & set a new benchmark, cheers guys
Circles... sure, But IRC drives in circles to. I'm just going to refer Nascar comments to Justins sig :lol:
I know your just joking but really they only need 7 or 8 tracks to have a good example of the different types of tracks they race on.

Give me Bristol, Dega and Texas. Those would be welcome in my book.
 
I'll quote myself from the "Winds are Screaming" thread:

I can't see there being only 20 courses and 60 layouts because: 1) it physically doesn't add up and 2) I remember back when Circuit de la Sarthe and the Nordschliefe were revealed months and months ago, a few people (maybe GTP users, can't remember) made comparisons between those track models in GT4 and GT5P. The general consensus was that the tracks were ported from GT4, but with upgraded graphics to take advantage of the PS3's hardware.

If PD is going about it this way, then that could mean most if not all of the tracks from GT4 would also be featured in GT5. This is obviously speculation, though.
 
Circles... sure, But IRC drives in circles to. I'm just going to refer Nascar comments to Justins sig :lol:


Give me Bristol, Dega and Texas. Those would be welcome in my book.
I've never followed or even watched Nascar so i don't understand it. F1 is for me!

seriously, what are the rules (in a nut shell) is it like cricket - where to the eye it looks like not much is happening, but there are lots of tactics and strategys going on. I loved Disneys 'Cars' by the way:idea:
 
Just don't worry. There will surely 100% be more than 20 tracks in GT5. If GT4 had over 60 then GT5 will probably have the same ammount.
 
That sounds great.

Can you post a source that claims that all GT 4 tracks will be in GT 5? Because if you can then you've instantly dissproven this whole 20 track mess. :)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=116309

This is not 100% PD stuff.. but the guy who posted, he knows his resources! I think he is a SPY!

Also always KAZ comfirmed on numerous interviews that he wants all cars and tracks from GT4. .. Besides lets say , lets just say, that we get 30 tracks, I bet there will be DLC, some free some for $$$
 
The features list could have meant 20 brand new tracks that we've never seen before, plus 60 from past Gran Turismo games.
 
If you believe there's only 20 tracks, i advise you to enroll yourself back to elementary grade school.
 
The "winds" are, I am sorry to say, total BS!

Think about it... how are 20 tracks even going to accommodate NASCAR and WRC, let alone all the other different sorts of race events that will be present in the game. Also, in GT4 there were about 15 (±2) original (fictional) tracks... I shouldn't think that we'll only be promised around 5 more in GT5!!! especially seen as Kaz has already informed us that most (if not all) of what was in GT4 shall also be present in GT5!

Take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gran_Turismo_courses
These tracks have either been seen in videos or the 'Concept Movie', or have been confirmed by PD (it seems)!
 
The features list could have meant 20 brand new tracks that we've never seen before, plus 60 from past Gran Turismo games.

brilliant!

Why dont we have a Master Track List for GT5 on the forums yet?

Suzuka,Fuji,Eiger,Tokyo,Nurburg,High Speed,London,Daytona are all confirmed right?
 
If you saw the actual Japanese page, the text was:

20コース以上、60のレイアウト以上

For those not fluent in Japanese, let me run through it for you. There are two parts to this sentence which are not entirely separate, but we'll get to that in a bit.

コース is a word borrowed from English. It's simply how the Japanese spell the word "course" in their phonetic alphabet. 以上 means "more than". So we have "20 course more than". Pretty simple, and putting it into proper English grammar gives us "more than 20 courses".

In the second section, we again have 以上 meaning "more than". レイアウト is again a borrowed word from English, "layout". It's open to some interpretation what they mean by this, as it's not a common English word in that context and could mean several things. I've looked in past Polyphony literature to see what they use it to refer to in older games, but it's hard to find.
Lastly, the most important part of this sentence, the particle の. This particle indicates belonging, or something being a subset of a larger group. It's usually used in the format "noun1"の"noun2", for example "PeteのPS3" would be "Pete's PS3" or "the PS3 of Pete". One noun is often omitted when it's obvious what it would be. And here we have a case of noun1 being omitted. This could make stuff difficult, but the only other noun that has been referred to is "course". So this gives us a proper sentence of 60コースのレイアウト以上. This would be literally translated as "60 courses' layouts more than", or in proper English "More than 60 layouts of courses".

Of course, this information could be faulty or incomplete. But assuming that the leaked page was accurate, there are 20 courses with 60 layouts and a layout is a subset of a course. The obvious interpretation is that a layout is a track variant.

Obviously, I'm as hopeful as the next person that this is not what we end up with, but based on the information given this is what we have. You may choose to disbelieve it if you wish, but I'd prefer that people didn't try to warp the translations into something they want it to be.

P.S. If this has gibberish symbols in it, they're Japanese text.
 
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