The 2020 George Floyd/BLM/Police Brutality Protests Discussion Thread

[Joey D]

You already know someone is gonna say that the officers shouldn't be the executioner...
Shhhh, they don't care he was a wanted, violent criminal...

Officers shouldn't be an executioner, not even for the most violent of criminals. We have a judicial system and every American citizen has a right to a trial as granted to them by the Constitution. Letting cops make the call goes against one of the founding principals of the country.

What I don't get is if the taser didn't work on Blake, why didn't the officers wrestle him to the ground? Granted they didn't look like the fittest pair of guys in the world, but every officer should know how to take down a suspect through physical means without resorting to using their weapon. Blake appeared like he was a big dude, but with proper training, a little dude can easily take out a big dude without too much of a worry.

Now that there's more out, I agree Blake isn't a model citizen. Did he deserve to be arrested? Probably. Did he deserve to be charged? Probably. Did anything he did warrant a death sentence? Nope. That's what so many people have a problem with. It's people being killed for crimes that shouldn't be a death sentence and cops defaulting to their firearm far too quickly. There are several tools in a cop's arsenal that they can use and are less than lethal. Hell, pulling out the pepper spray would've had a better outcome with the Blake incident. Spray him down with that stuff, disorient him, and then take him to the ground.

 

[killerjimbag]

Still doesn't justify him getting shot seven times. Nothing will.

How hard is this to figure out. 2 time convicted felon. Had charges of pointing a gun at people. Was not allowed to be near his ex. Was clearly near his ex as he stole her 🤬 car keys. His ex called 911 on him. Then he has a warrant for his arrest for battery and sexual assault. Then he decides to fight 4 cops,then go to his car to do what? Get lollipops for his kids?
Give your head a shake dude. Being a father,there is no way in hell I would do that 🤬 in front of my children.

 

[NotThePrez]

He raped a woman.
He wasn't unarmed.
Police tried to subdue him with a taser - twice. (You can further search for the videos yourself)
He tried to get in to his car - which makes it a potential weapon.
He had a known history of domestic violence.

Three of your sources are from rags that are clearly biased in favour of law enforcement (and two of your links are the exact same story), and one of them is from a website known for celebrity gossip and mixed overall reliability (at best). Also, one of your links contradicts the one that claimed that he was armed (and again, uses grainy as hell cell-phone camera footage), and your link claiming that Blake raped a woman makes no mention of it, and only mentions his history of sexual assault. Keep in mind that Rape and Sexual Assault are considered two separate crimes by the DoJ.

Considering the clear bias, as well as the smorgasbord of conflicting information currently being cycled, I'm going to continue to be skeptical.

More than anything else, sexual assault (which is a terrible crime) and a history of domestic violence are not justifiable reasons for attempted extra-judicial homicide. It is, however, justifiable reason to throw the proverbial book at the perpetrator should they be found guilty in a trial.

The only thing these NBA players are going to be remembered for is how their little protest ended as soon as they were told they would have to take a pay cut due to revenue losses as a result. They cared more about losing a little money off their still millions-of-dollars-contracts than whatever their alleged cause was.

Deflection.

Also, I can't help but notice how this topic seems to come up now when players are speaking out against police overreach, and not anywhere near as often at any previous point in time.

History will only remember, and look unfavorably on the NBA, and the billionaire class - people like Mark Cuban and Adam Silver - financially benefiting from, and turning a blind eye to the slave labor and genocide of Uighur Muslims in China while pretending to care about "social justice."

Deflection.

You already know someone is gonna say that the officers shouldn't be the executioner...

Yes, because that's not their job, nor should it be. Their job is to enforce law, and to protect and serve populace. Like I said in my previous post, the cops in this situation seemed to fail in their efforts to effectively subdue their suspect, and went with the nuclear option instead, which imo is a failure in their duties.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Did anything he did warrant a death sentence? Nope. That's what so many people have a problem with. It's people being killed for crimes that shouldn't be a death sentence and cops defaulting to their firearm far too quickly. There are several tools in a cop's arsenal that they can use and are less than lethal

Exactly. The issue is police brutality. The keyword here is brutality. Excessive force is another way to word it.

It's one thing to say a person isn't a model citizen but none of that warrants the brutality of seven gunshots.

 

[ryzno]

Still doesn't justify him getting shot seven times. Nothing will.

How many times is acceptable? Once? You can kill someone with one shot.
It's said he was tased twice, what should they do? He wasn't stopping, taking didn't work. You can't restrain them on the ground...
NO ONE knew what was in the car weapon wise.
A car is a weapon.
This seems like a similar de ja'vu. However you spell it.
It's odd to "our kind" to watch people defend violent people being killed for resisting arrest...violently!

 

[DesertPenguin]

How hard is this to figure out. 2 time convicted felon. Had charges of pointing a gun at people. Was not allowed to be near his ex. Was clearly near his ex as he stole her 🤬 car keys. His ex called 911 on him. Then he has a warrant for his arrest for battery and sexual assault. Then he decides to fight 4 cops,then go to his car to do what? Get lollipops for his kids?
Give your head a shake dude. Being a father,there is no way in hell I would do that 🤬 in front of my children.

This does not warrant being shot seven times in the back. How are you people still not getting this? The point is that the cops went too far. That's not to say they should have done nothing.

 

[DesertPenguin]

You can't kill someone with one shot.

I assume you meant can't and it was a typo?
Yes, you can but also they could have simply shot for a leg to immobilize him.

 

[Joey D]

Like I said in my previous post, the cops in this situation seemed to fail in their efforts to effectively subdue their suspect, and went with the nuclear option instead, which imo is a failure in their duties.

Unfortunately, it's due to many cops being fat, lazy, doughboys who spend more time scarfing down donuts than keeping in physical shape. If your job relies on you to be physically fit, then you should be physically fit. I know there are several cops who are and take that part of the job seriously, but there are tons who don't. I know that everytime I've ever been pulled over I could probably walk faster than the cop could run.

It's said he was tased twice, what should they do?

Take him to the ground. With proper training, you can absolutely restrain someone on the ground long enough to slap some cuffs on them. I don't know if you've ever seen amateur MMA fights, but those dudes aren't nearly as well trained as the pros and can take someone to the ground without hesitation.

If you need additional help, pepper spray does wonders at disorienting someone long enough to take them to the ground.

It's odd to "our kind" to watch people defend violent people being killed for resisting arrest...violently!

I'm defending the Constitution. The Sixth Amendment gives American citizens the right to a trial by jury. You can't have a trial if you're dead...I mean you can, it happens, but it's not exactly beneficial.

 

[ryzno]

Did anything he did warrant a death sentence?

I think murder, rape and pedophilia all deserve the death penalty.
Sadly we don't give it out anymore and when we do they sit there for decades wasting tax money.
Should it be"fairly tried" in court? Yes, but I can also see why they fear when they get the call back on the radio about the warrent and the criminal wigs out.

 

[killerjimbag]

Exactly. The issue is police brutality. The keyword here is brutality. Excessive force is another way to word it.

It's one thing to say a person isn't a model citizen but none of that warrants the brutality of seven gunshots.

Excessive force is warranted when someone fights off 4 cops and tries to get into his car with 3 "children" in it and is known to point firearms at people. He was wanted for God sakes. For sexual assault and battery. I truly think he had no intention of giving up or he wouldn't have acted that way with his " children " there.Should they just let him go and drive away? So they can have a pursuit with 3 children in the car? Wake up man.

 

[DesertPenguin]

How many times does it have to be said that even criminals have the same rights that you and I do as Americans? To say otherwise is un-American.

Excessive force is never warranted. That's kind of why it's called excessive... They didn't need seven shots... That's all were really arguing over here. The issue is the methods they choose to use for deescalating a situation.

 

[Joey D]

I think murder, rape and pedophilia all deserve the death penalty.
Sadly we don't give it out anymore and when we do they sit there for decades wasting tax money.
Should it be"fairly tried" in court? Yes, but I can also see why they fear when they get the call back on the radio about the warrent and the criminal wigs out.

You can think that, but as of right now, in most places, none of those things carry the death penalty. Wisconsin doesn't even have capital punishment and it's been outlawed since 1853.

And yes, every criminal has the right to be fairly tried if they're an American citizen. It's one of our rights.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Its like they see a black person and believe they aren't worth saving. I'm talking about the people here, not the cops

And if they are worth saving, it's by making them work in shoe factories or something nonsensical

 

[NotThePrez]

Excessive force is warranted when someone fights off 4 cops and tries to get into his car with 3 "children" in it and is known to point firearms at people. He was wanted for God sakes. For sexual assault and battery. I truly think he had no intention of giving up or he wouldn't have acted that way with his " children " there.Should they just let him go and drive away? So they can have a pursuit with 3 children in the car? Wake up man.

He only got so far because the cops failed multiple times to effectively subdue him. Allegedly, he was somehow able to put an office* in a chokehold, which shouldn't have happened to begin with, and shows some form of poor training being present.

More importantly, criminals have rights in this country, just like regular citizens. To take those rights away from criminals is also taking away the same rights from regular citizens, and there's nothing good about that.

*That should say officer, but I'm enjoying the mental image of someone putting a literal office building in a chokehold.

 

[killerjimbag]

How many times does it have to be said that even criminals have the same rights that you and I do as Americans? To say otherwise is un-American.

Excessive force is never warranted. That's kind of why it's called excessive... They didn't need seven shots... That's all were really arguing over here. The issue is the methods they choose to use for deescalating a situation.

Sexual assault and battery isn't never warranted against a woman either. So guess what,put your hands up,do what the cops say and don't fight and act a fool and you won't get shot. Pretty simple. So let me say this to all people on the planet. If a cop says put your hands up,put your hands up ,don't fight back with guys with guns. Cause they have guns and you don't. Usually it works out better in the end.

 

[Groundfish]

Its pretty clear that several folks here have far more interest in advancing the BLM narrative than anything else.
Rapist fights cops disobeys order from cops to NOT go into car.
Proceeds to go into car for weapon.

There’s laws that have been agreed upon about what police may or may not do, skin color is irrelevant here far as I know.
Should should not is just opinion not law

Think

 

[McLaren]

I think murder, rape and pedophilia all deserve the death penalty.
Sadly we don't give it out anymore and when we do they sit there for decades wasting tax money.

You're more than welcome to move somewhere that will gladly agree with you.

Death sentences in Iran are, in theory, legal for a variety of crimes, such as armed robbery, treason, espionage, murder, certain military offenses, drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, sodomy,[11] sexual misconduct, incestuous relations, fornication, homosexuality, prostitution,[3][4] plotting to overthrow the Islamic regime, political dissidence, sabotage, apostasy, blasphemy, adultery, producing and publishing pornography,[5][12][13][14] burglary, recidivist consumption of alcohol, recidivist theft, rebellion, some economic crimes, kidnapping, terrorism and few others.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Iran#cite_note-fidh-6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Iran

 

[Joey D]

Usually it works out better in the end.

Tell that to Daniel Shaver. Wait, you can't, because the cops shot him despite him actively not being a threat.

*He was white by the way.

Its pretty clear that several folks here have far more interest in advancing the BLM narrative than anything else.
Rapist fights cops disobeys order from cops to NOT go into car.
Proceeds to go into car for weapon.

There’s laws that have been agreed upon about what police may or may not do, skin color is irrelevant here far as I know.
Should should not is just opinion not law

Think

Yes, there is a law. It's the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution that grants criminals a right to a trial by jury. I figured someone who's got such a rager for laws would know this since the Constitution is the ultimate law of the land.

 

[Tornado]

Deflection.

Also, I can't help but notice how this topic seems to come up now when players are speaking out against police overreach, and not anywhere near as often at any previous point in time.

And it's deflection that doesn't seem to be true in the first place based on the actual reporting of what happened. It sounds like from the coverage of the meetings during the strike that the only single majorly outspoken player in regards to money specifically was Patrick Beverly; and that the majority of the concern over whether to continue the season instead hinged entirely on whether the players could compel the owners to take an active hand in dealing with the problem (rather than just throwing money at it). Once the owners committed to doing so (including several stadiums committing to being used as safe polling places in the election), the players ultimately voted to continue the season.


So instead of "their little protest ended as soon as they were told they would have to take a pay cut," their "little protest" ended so soon because when they came to a unifying end goal of the strike of what they felt was needed to be gained from the protest, the NBA owners immediately accepted it.
Oh no, I guess.

 

[NotThePrez]

Once the owners committed to doing so (including several stadiums committing to being used as safe polling places in the election), the players ultimately voted to continue the season.

I'm not really the biggest fan of the NBA (well, basketball in general, honestly), but that in particular is pretty dope. 👍

Good to see that the league accepted the terms of the players/teams this time around.

 

[ryzno]

You're more than welcome to move somewhere that will gladly agree with you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Iran

I'll pass. There are still States here that acknowledge the death penalty. GA for example. But they sit there for decades in their cell, waiting for that day their name to be called.
Why does the trial take 2 years yet it takes 30+ to kill them?
Oh yeah, the prison needs money! They don't get money if they don't have prisoners!
Now we know why people don't fear the courts!
They know they won't die and probably live an ok life in prison. Yet another family will only be able to see a tombstone of their child, while the person who killed their child sits in prison seeing his family every week for 30+ years and dies from old age before they could execute him.
I say, give them 1 appeal, then string them up if found guilty again.

 

[McLaren]

I'll pass. There are still States here that acknowledge the death penalty. GA for example. But they sit there for decades in their cell, waiting for that day their name to be called.
Why does the trial take 2 years yet it takes 30+ to kill them?
Oh yeah, the prison needs money! They don't get money if they don't have prisoners!
Now we know why people don't fear the courts!
They know they won't die and probably live an ok life in prison. Yet another family will only be able to see a tombstone of their child, while the person who killed their child sits in prison seeing his family every week for 30+ years and dies from old age before they could execute him.
I say, give them 1 appeal, then string them up if found guilty again.

Well that doesn't make any sense. Why are you passing? The Iranian govt. doesn't allow any of that. Either the victim's family forgives you & you pay a monetary amount, or you go to serve your punishment.

Iran is perfect for your beliefs.

 

[killerjimbag]

Tell that to Daniel Shaver. Wait, you can't, because the cops shot him despite him actively not being a threat.

*He was white by the way.



Yes, there is a law. It's the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution that grants criminals a right to a trial by jury. I figured someone who's got such a rager for laws would know this since the Constitution is the ultimate law of the land.

There have been many people of different races that gave died at the hands of police. There is also a thing called use of lethal force. End of conversation.

 

[DesertPenguin]

There have been many people of different races that gave died at the hands of police. There is also a thing called use of lethal force. End of conversation.

I guess that's it then, time to close the thread. Sorry to waste your time folks

 

[ryzno]

Well that doesn't make any sense. Why are you passing? The Iranian govt. doesn't allow any of that. Either the victim's family forgives you & you pay a monetary amount, or you go to serve your punishment.

Iran is perfect for your beliefs.

Not at all for numerous reasons. Anywho, I don't see a "monetary amount" stopping me from wanting to kill the person that god forbid was stupid enough to even try to harm my son.
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I don't feel like justice was served on the people who robbed me at gun point, proceeded to pistol whip me(you can die from that) then he and his friend laughed about killing me while I was being stomped into the sidewalk like a raccoon roadkill in the middle of a highway(you can die from that too). I never fought or argued with them. I was a dumb teen and that right there might have been what pissed me off and I ended up screwing up my life, who knows... Did I mention I wasn't the only person they robbed in court.
To this day I'd like to kick their :censored:and stomp their heads in the ground. But obviously that never happened... Oddly enough, their 20 year sentence should be up in a year and a half.
I might have done a lot of illegal things but I did have some morals.

 

[McLaren]

Not at all for numerous reasons.

Oh, is there a law or rule you don't agree with?

Anywho, I don't see a "monetary amount" stopping me from wanting to kill the person that god forbid was stupid enough to even try to harm my son.

Iran requires the victim's family present at the time of death. Look, you even get to kick their legs out from under them.

In the case of a murder, the victim's next of kin is allowed to pull the stool out from under the condemned

I don't feel like justice was served on the people who robbed me at gun point, proceeded to pistol whip me(you can die from that) then he and his friend laughed about killing me while I was being stomped into the sidewalk like a raccoon roadkill in the middle of a highway(you can die from that too). I never fought or argued with them. I was a dumb teen and that right there might have been what pissed me off and I ended up screwing up my life, who knows... Did I mention I wasn't the only person they robbed in court.
To this day I'd like to kick their :censored:and stomp their heads in the ground. But obviously that never happened... Oddly enough, their 20 year sentence should be up in a year and a half.

That sucks, but the fact of the matter with what you're providing is that they appeared to be justly punished. 20 years is a significant portion of someone's life, esp. for robbery & aggravated assault. The average murder sentence in the US is around 16.5 years.

I might have done a lot of illegal things but I did have some morals.

And how would you feel (since you've admitted that you're a convicted felon) that if someone killed you by no fault of your own (let's even say, by the guys who robbed you), someone posted a meme saying, "No ***** given" about your death all because it was shared that you had a criminal past? Who cares if you paid your debt. Who cares that you're a changed man with a son. Nope, you made some bad mistakes in life, so meh, you had death coming any way.

Pretty ****** up, isn't it?

 

[killerjimbag]

I guess that's it then, time to close the thread. Sorry to waste your time folks

Typical response. What's the old saying,cell or hell. Thats what CRIMINALS get. Or act a fool and get shot. Stop protecting someone who probably assaulted someone and sexually assaulted someone. Are you serious? Is this the new narrative of BLM.

 

[DesertPenguin]

No narrative, it's called being a decent human being. Try it some time

 

[McLaren]

Typical response. What's the old saying,cell or hell. Thats what CRIMINALS get. Or act a fool and get shot. Stop protecting someone who probably assaulted someone and sexually assaulted someone. Are you serious? Is this the new narrative of BLM.

We have a much bigger issue here if someone is being killed for something they "probably" did. Probably infers that we don't have a verified fact he did what he's accused of.

 

[NotThePrez]

Typical response. What's the old saying,cell or hell. Thats what CRIMINALS get. Or act a fool and get shot. Stop protecting someone who probably assaulted someone and sexually assaulted someone. Are you serious? Is this the new narrative of BLM.

If you think we're defending the man himself, than that tells me you haven't actually read anybody's responses in this thread.