The best GT5 cars according to stormbringer!
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I agree, sarthe would be the best choice. with chicane or without?
If i do it without chicane i could easily note down top attainable speeds.
My only qualm with sarthe (a bit long) and monza is the possibility of accidental shortcuts, which isnt really a problem, but when it does happen it is quite pissing off since it disqualifies the lap time. (usually happens when ur running a perfect lap)
I will initially take 2 cars to each of the potential tracks and see which one provides me with more consistent lap times.
I could turn aids off, if u guys think it will be more informative. But i feel i should keep all settings the same as deepforest to help keep them related.
Will choose the track and maybe start round 2 of testing later on tonight.
what do u think about cape ring or monza as one of the choices?
No not invalid. Sure, alot of cars are at their most difficult when modded to their full potential, which is a good basis for testing. u just have to adjust your driving style, suspension settings and deal with a little more stress. The cars inherent properties are still there, just exaggerated.
you can choose to keep your car stock and test them, but then you should test all your cars as stock to keep consistency, be it a supra, M5 or a mini cooper. keep as many of your variables constant as you can.
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ya, the length of the track is something that turns me off too.
results in longer testing time and more inconsistencies.
If length wasnt a problem, i wouldve loved using nordschliefe, as it is the ultimate testing track. I do test my cars there anyway, but lap times are useless.
Monza is one of my top choices along with sarthe. I am unsure about whether i should use the "without chicane" version.
I will get top speed times easily without chicane, but will get less of an idea of how well the car brakes from highspeeds.
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I think Monza would be the better choise, as it would be easier to post consistent lap times. There aren't too many difficult sections, however.
How about something like Fuji, which has a nice long straight, but also some difficult, low speed corners. It would give a better overall test of handling and speed for the fast cars (i.e. Monza may not show how sluggish the Veyron is at cornering).
How about something like Fuji, which has a nice long straight, but also some difficult, low speed corners. It would give a better overall test of handling and speed for the fast cars (i.e. Monza may not show how sluggish the Veyron is at cornering).
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Good thing about the lenght is that it shows exactly how much difference there is between the cars.
And, if you're a good driver (which I think stormbringer is, considering his lap times) consistent lap times shouldn't be a problem. If you make a small mistake you can easily gain the time again in another section. Some tuning would be needed though.
To post accurate and consistent laptimes, you can't be making any mistakes at all. To suggest that you can make time up later is to suggest you weren't going for it 100% on previous laps (or weren't planning to on this lap had you not made any mistakes), therefore invalidating any consistency and undermining all previous laptimes set.
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VW Nardo (thanks to Kludger)
Chapparal 2D (thanks to Specialedmpls)
Opera S-2000 (thanks to tommy_guns1)
VW Nardo (thanks to Kludger)
Chapparal 2D (thanks to Specialedmpls)
Opera S-2000 (thanks to tommy_guns1)
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Ok, so i went ahead a tried out 3 tracks.
Sarthe, Monza and highspeed ring
took 2 cars (same class) which performed very similarly (inconclusive) in deep forest
Deep forest
Mclaren F1 GTR---1:03:693
Zonda LM---------1:04:085
(400ms difference)
Sarthe (no chicane)----Lap time---------Top speed (trany limit)
Zonda LM Race car----3:10:236-------346 (370)------357 (460)
Mclaren F1 GTR-------3:14:353--------351 (370)------363 (460)
(4 second difference)
Monza (no chicane)
Zonda LM ------1:28:287
Mclaren F! GTr--1:24:374
(4 second difference)
High Speed ring
Zonda LM--------56:533
Mclaren F1 GTR--58:594
(2 second difference)
Sarthe: The thing about this track is that its a bit long. It takes up too much time to get an accurate lap. Driving line possibilities are endless. the lap disqualifying judge is very lenient when it comes to those chicanes near the end and some of the turns in the beginning. Basically, i can pretty much run straight through and not have the lap time disqualified which i dont like. There should be a boundry, which is there, but its kindof hard to get a feel of. maybe i need to practice those areas some more. It gave me a difference of 4 seconds between the 2 cars.
Monza: I cant say that i can find anything really wrong with this track. The Lap will get disqualified if you step over the line. Its short, allows me to do 5 laps in 8 to 10 minutes.
Noting down top speed is a little tougher, but i'll get around that. It also gave me a difference of 4 seconds. same as sarthe. but...i dont get as good a feel for the cars handling as i do on sarthe. Sarthe really shows how far the cars limits can be pushed.
high speed ring: I tried this track for the hell of it. useless, theres very little braking in this track except for 2 places (with these cars) it did give me a 2 second difference.
The Zonda is actually a better handling car. easier. grips really well and requires less braking. Not that the Mclarens bad, she needs to controlled with more precision, earlier braking and luv. The F1 accelerates faster though, and has a slightly higher top speed.
I tried out the daytona road track and fuji too, not bad choices either.
I am probably going to go for monza, as it is easier on me. Id prefer to choose Sarthe but it can get very tiring after a while. It is a great track, its just that it realistically takes 20 to 25 minutes to do 5 laps. It takes me atleast 3 to 5 laps to settle in a new car. (Sarthe makes me fine tune my cars again and again. Great track for learning a car, not good for the impatient)
Sarthe, Monza and highspeed ring
took 2 cars (same class) which performed very similarly (inconclusive) in deep forest
Deep forest
Mclaren F1 GTR---1:03:693
Zonda LM---------1:04:085
(400ms difference)
Sarthe (no chicane)----Lap time---------Top speed (trany limit)
Zonda LM Race car----3:10:236-------346 (370)------357 (460)
Mclaren F1 GTR-------3:14:353--------351 (370)------363 (460)
(4 second difference)
Monza (no chicane)
Zonda LM ------1:28:287
Mclaren F! GTr--1:24:374
(4 second difference)
High Speed ring
Zonda LM--------56:533
Mclaren F1 GTR--58:594
(2 second difference)
Sarthe: The thing about this track is that its a bit long. It takes up too much time to get an accurate lap. Driving line possibilities are endless. the lap disqualifying judge is very lenient when it comes to those chicanes near the end and some of the turns in the beginning. Basically, i can pretty much run straight through and not have the lap time disqualified which i dont like. There should be a boundry, which is there, but its kindof hard to get a feel of. maybe i need to practice those areas some more. It gave me a difference of 4 seconds between the 2 cars.
Monza: I cant say that i can find anything really wrong with this track. The Lap will get disqualified if you step over the line. Its short, allows me to do 5 laps in 8 to 10 minutes.
Noting down top speed is a little tougher, but i'll get around that. It also gave me a difference of 4 seconds. same as sarthe. but...i dont get as good a feel for the cars handling as i do on sarthe. Sarthe really shows how far the cars limits can be pushed.
high speed ring: I tried this track for the hell of it. useless, theres very little braking in this track except for 2 places (with these cars) it did give me a 2 second difference.
The Zonda is actually a better handling car. easier. grips really well and requires less braking. Not that the Mclarens bad, she needs to controlled with more precision, earlier braking and luv. The F1 accelerates faster though, and has a slightly higher top speed.
I tried out the daytona road track and fuji too, not bad choices either.
I am probably going to go for monza, as it is easier on me. Id prefer to choose Sarthe but it can get very tiring after a while. It is a great track, its just that it realistically takes 20 to 25 minutes to do 5 laps. It takes me atleast 3 to 5 laps to settle in a new car. (Sarthe makes me fine tune my cars again and again. Great track for learning a car, not good for the impatient)
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im just saying that PD favored certain cars in the modding department. just look at the e46 M3 vs Supra or something like that. stock vs stock they perform similar in the game and real life. Now once i mod both to the max.. the supras HP just takes over and that to me is not really fair.
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Don't cut the corners, simple
And add the chicanes, otherwise it becomes pure top speed, with the chicanes the acceleration has a bigger impact. But you choose the track, it was just an idea
You liked the Nardo? Got hold of it myself yesterday, very fast, but a bit wild too.
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Don't cut the corners, simple
And add the chicanes, otherwise it becomes pure top speed, with the chicanes the acceleration has a bigger impact. But you choose the track, it was just an idea
You liked the Nardo? Got hold of it myself yesterday, very fast, but a bit wild too.
I'm going with sarthe for the LMPs. I'll do a pre-test, chicane vs no chicane, with 2 cars to see which one gives me the most difference. Will probably choose another track for the LM and lower classed fast cars.
nardo was very nice. Yup a little tougher to handle than the r390, but has a very solid drive. I'd say it's one of the best road cars I've tested so far.
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Ok Sarthe (with chicane) it is for the LMPs.
Im gonna try to keep from cutting corners in the end there. but i know it will happen as i push the cars to get a better lap time. So realistically, im gonna leave lap time disqualification decisions to the ps3. If it turns red, i wont use it.
Im gonna try to keep from cutting corners in the end there. but i know it will happen as i push the cars to get a better lap time. So realistically, im gonna leave lap time disqualification decisions to the ps3. If it turns red, i wont use it.
no sweat. I'll send you an add in a few minutes. once you confirm i'll throw the car your way. Keep it as long as you need, i'm not using it for anything right now
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Posted sarthe LMP results. Check em out. See if u agree
I was expecting higher variations in lap time, but they all fell within seconds of each other.
I was expecting higher variations in lap time, but they all fell within seconds of each other.
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I don't understand why you put that R10 as good grip/ handling. That thing is a nightmare to control out of corners with its torque. Have to wait so long to put the full power down that I feel like I lose time in every corner.
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Good times. I knew that the R10 was the worst as I had it and it sucked. Traded it for the F2007, pretty sweet deal. Suspect the other guy duplicated it though, but I don't care
Expected the R8 to be placed higher. In the 1hr Le Mans race I participated in earlier this week the winner used the R8 Oreca. Bentley is approximately 2 secs slower than MINOLTA, very slow on long straight (bad acceleration).
But really like it, as it shows the real difference between them. Idk what causes the big difference between the Sauber and the R89C. Was it a better lap (less mistakes) with the R89C or is it just faster, but with more "crash tendency" than the Sauber?
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I think theres some miscommunication here.
I know exactly what u mean about the R10 being a bit more throttle sensitive compared to the others. Ive experienced that as well. Without aids you have to be very very gentle. Analogous to, lets say, the zonda R or mclaren. Even though these cars are very throttle sensitive, u wouldnt say they have bad grip or handling. Does that make sense to u?
For me, TRC is the answer. It really helps, especially with LMPs. I really dont have the skill to tackle LMPs without trc, they are all a bit too throttle sensitive for me.
Imo, this car corners very well, her grip is exceptional. Feels very solid when you drive. Part of that is probably true due to her slowness. she doesnt really get up to as high a speed as the others will. which also means you can brake a little less.
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Good times. I knew that the R10 was the worst as I had it and it sucked. Traded it for the F2007, pretty sweet deal. Suspect the other guy duplicated it though, but I don't care
Expected the R8 to be placed higher. In the 1hr Le Mans race I participated in earlier this week the winner used the R8 Oreca. Bentley is approximately 2 secs slower than MINOLTA, very slow on long straight (bad acceleration).
But really like it, as it shows the real difference between them. Idk what causes the big difference between the Sauber and the R89C. Was it a better lap (less mistakes) with the R89C or is it just faster, but with more "crash tendency" than the Sauber?
I wish someone would trade my R10 for a F2007
I was expecting the R8 to do better aswell. she lacks the grip the R10 possesses. need to brake a bit more with her to keep her in line.
One car that really upset me was the 787b. She didnt lap as well as i was expecting. I couldnt understand why. At the end of it, i blamed it on its slightly lower top speed. She might also have a slightly slower acceleration. cant blame its handling.
R89C vs Sauber, thats a really tough one. I think the 1 sec difference might be because of a good lap. I cant honestly say ones better than the other. Dont think either is faster or more crash prone. they both achieved the same topspeed in the same distance. I really felt the sauber shouldve scored a better time than the nissan. She is a little bit more responsive and lighter feeling. but overall performance wise i think the R89C is the Saubers nemesis.
you should do a test on em both and share ur result. id love to get more insight into both of them.
need to get the bentley, how many more LMPs are there in the game btw?
Ive got 10. wondering who im leaving out.
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you know, testing 10 of the same classed cars (one after the other), looking for their qualities and faults etc has been a thoroughly enjoyable and a great learning experience. Everyone should do this.
Im looking forward to the next round. Going to take 10 LM racers to another track next.
Im looking forward to the next round. Going to take 10 LM racers to another track next.
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I need the Sauber and a lot of other LMP cars. I'm thinking of making a dupe account with 6 mil credits to get all the cars I want, even though I don't like cheating... 
Bentley
BMW V12
Peugeot 905
XJR-9 (is a LMP, isn't it?)
R390 GT1 is LMP too, but way the slowest, no need to test it
Other Pescarolos (think they are different)
CLK-GTR? Don't know, maybe it is
Good prize you gave the 787B
(Best sound) Making it up for the lack of speed?
Bentley
BMW V12
Peugeot 905
XJR-9 (is a LMP, isn't it?)
R390 GT1 is LMP too, but way the slowest, no need to test it
Other Pescarolos (think they are different)
CLK-GTR? Don't know, maybe it is
Good prize you gave the 787B
(Best sound) Making it up for the lack of speed? I did this on GT4 with all of the LMP and Group C cars across 15 courses in the end. I have a .xls file around somewhere with it all in. It was really good fun.
I'm trying to find a way to do this on GT5 using the events in the game so I can test cars, time trial a large group (European road cars at the moment) and earn a lot of XP and cr for doing it.
Just want to say that there is some really good info in this topic.
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I need the Sauber and a lot of other LMP cars. I'm thinking of making a dupe account with 6 mil credits to get all the cars I want, even though I don't like cheating...
Bentley
BMW V12
Peugeot 905
XJR-9 (is a LMP, isn't it?)
R390 GT1 is LMP too, but way the slowest, no need to test it
Other Pescarolos (think they are different)
CLK-GTR? Don't know, maybe it is
Good prize you gave the 787B
787B: lol, i might be. But she does sound goooood.
Dude, if you know how to dupe, do it. Youve earned your right to, by playing the game for as long as you have. I dont get why PD wants us to continuously farm money. they couldve made the other events more rewarding. those damn mindless left turns..im so sick of that crap.
I tested the R390 GTi and stopped halfway. I dont think shes a LMP. Youre right about her performance + she hardly looks the part.
What about that Lister storm? what is she?
pretty sure the CLK-GTR isnt a LMP. but am unsure where she actually falls. LM? Gonna have to look all this up. Hopefully someones made a list according to class.
R390 is just GT1 class, same for the CLK-GTR and the Lister Storm V12. The Storm shouldn't have anywhere near the performance of the R390 though.
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I did this on GT4 with all of the LMP and Group C cars across 15 courses in the end. I have a .xls file around somewhere with it all in. It was really good fun.
I'm trying to find a way to do this on GT5 using the events in the game so I can test cars, time trial a large group (European road cars at the moment) and earn a lot of XP and cr for doing it.
Just want to say that there is some really good info in this topic.
Initially i was doing exactly what youre planning so i could earn credits/xp as well, but you eventually start lapping the AI and that becomes very annoying.
thanks for the info. do you know which other LMPs are there in the game, other than the ones mentioned?
Yeah that's why I had to stick to road cars and the Euro championship has three courses I like (I used to hate Monza too) I'm trying to find ways to implement NA and Asian cars into it using other cups but could only find the odd race with the same reward.
Group 7 - Toyota 7 Race Car
Group C - Jaguar XJR-9, MINOLTA Toyota, Sauber C9, Nissan R89C, Mazda 787B, Nissan R92CP, Peugeot 905
GT1 - Nissan R390 GT1, Mercedes CLK-GTR Race Car, Lister Storm V12, Corvette C5.R, Dodge Viper GTS-R Team ORECA (I think)
LMGTP - Toyota GT-ONE, Bentley Speed 8
LMP - BMW V12 LMR, Audi R8, Audi R8 Team Playstation ORECA, Pescarolo Courage C60, Pescarolo Judd GV5, Pescarolo Hybride C60
I feel like I've missed something
