The Big Real problem with lobbies (with proof in video, because some don't want to understand ! (Thanks PD))

[dfrog]

i've been kicked a few time just because i am a ps4 driver, i say it in my greetings when going to a lobby, i dont mind getting kicked because of such, just wish people would id their rooms as such

It's a shame jr, I think this issue is not going away - I'm a PS4 user and want to play GT7, we are a small group of PS4ers and I act as Host, and my lobby title is always " PS4 consoles ONLY, NO PS5 consoles please", and I can't believe the number of PS5 joiners arrive, create the known judder problems for us, who are then offended when I ask them to leave, and these are from English-speaking countries, and that becomes obvious with some of their vulgar responses

 

[Leggacy]

My advice....place "PS5 Players ONLY - Jitterz get KICKED" in your Lobby title. Assuming other PS5 players are the only ones allowed on track, your lobby race quality will be improved. I am running a PS5 exclusive series where I only accepted PS5 owner entries for the series. The lobbies have been flawless, even with international players on the grid. I have friends on PS4 consoles that I allowed to join us for practice sessions....they were the only jittering cars on the track....everyone else was very smooth and natural. It works.

It’s a shame because some of my friends who I’ve played GT with on Sunday nights since GT5. Some of them don’t have PS5 yet, it would be a shame to exclude players I’ve known all that time. Maybe we should just ditch GT7 and race in sport because I don’t think this will ever be fixed.

 

[llNovall]

It’s a shame because some of my friends who I’ve played GT with on Sunday nights since GT5. Some of them don’t have PS5 yet, it would be a shame to exclude players I’ve known all that time. Maybe we should just ditch GT7 and race in sport because I don’t think this will ever be fixed.

I was in the same boat, but its the only way. I believe GT7 was originally intended to be a PS5 exclusive, and at the last minute was adapted to work on PS4....unfortunately, this resulted in the two systems not communicating at the same speed/rate/label it as you want. Hence the jittering effect we see when drivers race cross platform. I gave up on this being resolved, and decided to go the route I did for the sake of race quality.
I had to give up 3-4 quality drivers on my roster because of this. Have a look at the "Michelin Pilot Challenge" link in my signature....as you will see, it doesn't to be hurting my current roster prospects. Sucks, but worth it imo for good lobby quality and racing.

 

[mattikake]

Jitter seems to be worse when psn is having a bad day.

 

[TJC_69]

I was in the same boat, but its the only way. I believe GT7 was originally intended to be a PS5 exclusive, and at the last minute was adapted to work on PS4....unfortunately, this resulted in the two systems not communicating at the same speed/rate/label it as you want. Hence the jittering effect we see when drivers race cross platform. I gave up on this being resolved, and decided to go the route I did for the sake of race quality.
I had to give up 3-4 quality drivers on my roster because of this. Have a look at the "Michelin Pilot Challenge" link in my signature....as you will see, it doesn't to be hurting my current roster prospects. Sucks, but worth it imo for good lobby quality and racing.

Liked both your posts and as a lobby host I had this strong suspicion also. If PD don't resolve this soon, and they probably won't, we will have to protect our racing lobbies from players unwilling to upgrade.

 

[dfrog]

Liked both your posts and as a lobby host I had this strong suspicion also. If PD don't resolve this soon, and they probably won't, we will have to protect our racing lobbies from players unwilling to upgrade.

Hiya tjc, I agree with you that PD will probably not fix the issue, it's disappointing because they sold GT7 to us PS4 customers of theirs and won't refund us even though we can't play the game as they said we could, and because of this issue of theirs we can't play multiplayer comfortably either - but I understand their business model
I'm interested though, in your comment about 'protecting' your lobbies from PS4ers - I've tried to protect my PS4 lobbies from PS5ers, our lobbies run very well without PS5 visitors, but despite a polite "NO PS5 consoles please" in the lobby title, sufficient PS5 users ignore that and spoil our game.
Do you have a workable way to 'protect' good quality, conscientious lobbies from this issue, either way? - I'll be very grateful for your help

 

[Steer]

If they cannot be bothered properly fixing this awful issue with lobbies, then all PD have to do is give lobby hosts the option to enable or disable cross platform play - and then add this as a filter for users searching for lobbies. That would take hardly any effort to introduce, and would mean that the best bit of the game for me would be working again.

I feel quite strongly about this and am very surprised that it does not get more threads or posts on here.

 

[NAXEHT]

In a league I’m racing in we’ve had severe lag the past two races, it’s so bad it’s borderline impossible to race. 3rd of April was fine, no apparent issues but yesterday and the previous Monday, 10th and 17th of April the lag was indeed severe. It shows when you get close to another car is at its absolute worst during corners, time linked example in the video below from yesterday’s league race.



I’m absolutely no fan of crossplay and think GT7 PS4 never should have happened but with that said we have people on both consoles in our league races, PS4 driver being in the race on 3rd of April for example which was problem free. So I don’t know. I’m trying to find patterns but struggling. We thought PSN might have had issues but then again, no issues have shown themselves in Sport mode the past week and those are also P2P, aren’t they? Crossplay is disabled, that I know.

 

[Fudman420]

As Nova and others said its definitely a ps4 to ps5 issue. Go look at the snail racing thread here at gtplanet. They race every Sunday night and some extensive testing has been done. Most of the races are saved and can be watched and on most occasions if everyone is on ps5 its a stable room and even 1 ps4 user causes lag.

 

[dfrog]

As Nova and others said its definitely a ps4 to ps5 issue. Go look at the snail racing thread here at gtplanet. They race every Sunday night and some extensive testing has been done. Most of the races are saved and can be watched and on most occasions if everyone is on ps5 its a stable room and even 1 ps4 user causes lag.

We have the same problem Fundman - our PS4 / GT7 lobbies run smooth as anything, but 1 PS5 user joins and the lobby becomes un raceable - My Lobby title can be 'NO PS5 Consoles please' but sadly some PS5 players ignore that

 

[dabz343]

If they cannot be bothered properly fixing this awful issue with lobbies, then all PD have to do is give lobby hosts the option to enable or disable cross platform play - and then add this as a filter for users searching for lobbies.

Is this really the only way to fix this?

 

[Leggacy]

Is this really the only way to fix this?

I believe this may be the only way to fix it 😕

💡 or maybe play the PS4 version on PS5 if some of your mates haven’t caught up yet 🤔 not sure if that works?

Someone please test that☝️. Not near, or going to be near my PS for a while. Possibly load the PS4 version on an external drive for open lobbies.

 

[dfrog]

I believe this may be the only way to fix it 😕

💡 or maybe play the PS4 version on PS5 if some of your mates haven’t caught up yet 🤔 not sure if that works?

Someone please test that☝️. Not near, or going to be near my PS for a while. Possibly load the PS4 version on an external drive for open lobbies.

Its fairly obvious that after above a year since launch of the PS4 version of GT7, when PD and Sony have still not acknowledged this problem, they are not going to carry out any standard update fix for it - and so, if this idea would work, then I would think that both PS4 & PS5 users will see it as an ideal solution to the problem - we PS4 users who have bought the PS4 console, and PS4 version of GT7, will be able to play GT7 multiplayer without being hindered by PS5 console users with the PS5 version of GT7, and vice versa of course - but I, for one, will not hold my breath for them to do so

 

[Leggacy]

Its fairly obvious that after above a year since launch of the PS4 version of GT7, when PD and Sony have still not acknowledged this problem, they are not going to carry out any standard update fix for it - and so, if this idea would work, then I would think that both PS4 & PS5 users will see it as an ideal solution to the problem - we PS4 users who have bought the PS4 console, and PS4 version of GT7, will be able to play GT7 multiplayer without being hindered by PS5 console users with the PS5 version of GT7, and vice versa of course - but I, for one, will not hold my breath for them to do so

No it’s the PS4 users that are hindering the PS5 players 🔥😂

 

[dfrog]

No it’s the PS4 users that are hindering the PS5 players 🔥😂

I don't wish to enter into your argument sir, but if you re-read my post, you'll realize that I covered that point with my "vice versa" comment - in doing so, I acknowledged your part in the issue and didn't try to disguise it. If you'd rather I reword it, I will try to find another way. If you read my earlier posts you'll see that in my Lobby title I ask politely for PS4 console users only, but sadly there are PS5 console users who insist on joining my lobby, I don't join any other lobby in case there are PS5 users in there. I would be delighted if PS4 & PS5 users would stay separate - no disrespect to either

 

[Leggacy]

I don't wish to enter into your argument sir, but if you re-read my post, you'll realize that I covered that point with my "vice versa" comment - in doing so, I acknowledged your part in the issue and didn't try to disguise it. If you'd rather I reword it, I will try to find another way. If you read my earlier posts you'll see that in my Lobby title I ask politely for PS4 console users only, but sadly there are PS5 console users who insist on joining my lobby, I don't join any other lobby in case there are PS5 users in there. I would be delighted if PS4 & PS5 users would stay separate - no disrespect to either

I was just joking 🙃

For people playing in a closed group, race series it might be a bit of a ball ache to have the ps4 version installed as well (will run from external drive though) but it if it would make the lobbies run smother. Open lobbies; no chance! You can’t police it so you run the risk of jittery races.

Still, I’d like to know if anyone has tested a PS5 in a PS4 lobby playing the PS4 version and if it eliminates jitter.

 

[llNovall]

I was just joking 🙃

For people playing in a closed group, race series it might be a bit of a ball ache to have the ps4 version installed as well (will run from external drive though) but it if it would make the lobbies run smother. Open lobbies; no chance! You can’t police it so you run the risk of jittery races.

Still, I’d like to know if anyone has tested a PS5 in a PS4 lobby playing the PS4 version and if it eliminates jitter.

From what Ive experienced, Ps5 players see ps4 players jitter, and ps4 players see ps5 players jitter. Drivers of the same console are smooth in the same room. I would suggest running friends only rooms to ensure segregation of consoles. Or as I mentioned in an earlier post, place "Ps5 only (or PS4 only), Jitters=Kicked" in the title heading. As new drivers enter the room, go to spectator view and screen them. If smooth, they stay, if not...kick em. The disclaimer was made in the title. Start race when the room feels screened and smooth. Thats how ive been playing it when running public lobby...and without guilt.

 

[Jewel Runner]

I would say that the best testimony for the lobby improvements is expressed in Rory's latest video.

Rory only cares about growing his boring channel so will mostly push GT7 in any positive way he can. Not just him but most other GT7 content creators do the same. They will throw in a light complaint now and again to seem balanced. Remember these content creators gave GT7 9/10 on release lol. Roflewaffle is one of the only honest content creators if you're looking for an accurate description of what GT7 as a game is. It is actually worse than what he explains.

Lobbies are still trash and daily races still has bugs. For example controller users getting a bad rolling start and terrible tyre wear. Starting from poll in A+ races when using controller I just have to give up 2 or 3 places in the first corner or 2 or risk causing a ping pong crash. And oh yeah how about those ping pong crash physics 🤦

 

[dabz343]

Ps5 players see ps4 players jitter, and ps4 players see ps5 players jitter. Drivers of the same console are smooth in the same room. I would suggest running friends only rooms to ensure segregation of consoles.

If PD isn't going to fix, then I would want them add a lobby option that allows only one console. At the least, give us a simple way to control who has access so we don't spend effort on removing jittery players.

Make the game playable and enjoyable PD.

 

[llNovall]

If PD isn't going to fix, then I would want them add a lobby option that allows only one console. At the least, give us a simple way to control who has access so we don't spend effort on removing jittery players.

Make the game playable and enjoyable PD.

100% agree with this as an option. Ashame they don't admit this issue and use that idea as a solution.

 

[dabz343]

I can think of a few reasons why PD is not coming clean here, but nonetheless, this assessment and potential solution that the players have formulated is now obvious. Let's see if PD acts to improve.

 

[SYLVERIS]

Hi guys, I'm the creator of this thread.
The "Rory" you are talking about is more a YouTube streamer than a real player, so he's not really honest and his judgment is worthless.
Now, after one year, I decided to file a complaint for scam/fraud, against Polyphony Digital, Sony, and directly Mr Kazunori Yamauchi himself.
Mr Yamauchi sold us on purpose, a game he knows exactly it doesn't work, it's a multimillion scam.
And there is no way Mr Yamauchi to have happy holidays with our money, while we are crying in front of our GT7 copy.
So now, it's time to not stay as victim of a scam and to sue Mr Yamauchi, PD and Sony.
If some want to join me in this process, I will create a petition, to "group" our complaints.
Let me know it.
Bye !

 

[mixamun]

I havent double checked but i think i have read that lobbies are a p2p mesh network and sport mode may be using servers that pd/sony spin up when a race is matchmade and ready for clients to join.

My question / thought is - why cant they just do this for lobbies? Start a room and you are the admin / manager of it but the server is just hosted by PD?

Is it as simple as PD not wanting to spend the $ on server capacity for a good lobby experience? They only care about a high fidelity experience in sport mode?

I know a lot of games use p2p with varying levels of success but i wonder if racing isnt a great fit? Or does PD just need to spend some time improving their p2p netcode?

Does anyone know if any sims or even more casual racers with MP that use p2p?


Also a random thought - with how good peoples home internet connections are getting and the amount of spare computing laying around... would be great if people could simply host their own dedicated lobbies on either their own home server hardware (read - pc with spare capacity...) or just use their PS5...

Its not like a pc would even need to render anything - just a mediocre/solid cpu/memory/storage/nic combo found in any older generation old pc would handle it..

 

[Leggacy]

Hi guys, I'm the creator of this thread.
The "Rory" you are talking about is more a YouTube streamer than a real player, so he's not really honest and his judgment is worthless.
Now, after one year, I decided to file a complaint for scam/fraud, against Polyphony Digital, Sony, and directly Mr Kazunori Yamauchi himself.
Mr Yamauchi sold us on purpose, a game he knows exactly it doesn't work, it's a multimillion scam.
And there is no way Mr Yamauchi to have happy holidays with our money, while we are crying in front of our GT7 copy.
So now, it's time to not stay as victim of a scam and to sue Mr Yamauchi, PD and Sony.
If some want to join me in this process, I will create a petition, to "group" our complaints.
Let me know it.
Bye !

I think suing PD might be going a bit far.

Have we worked out if this issue is a hardware problem [conflict between generations of console] or is it software [PS4 & 5 versions not fully working together] does a PS5 running the PS4 version in a lobby full of PS4’s still generate the same issue?

 

[Obelisk]

The most recent Playstation system update has improved the lag pretty significantly for my league, has anyone else seen any improvement?

 

[jonoholland29]

I’ve had the digital version and the disc version - and if I had to choose I’d pick the digital. It’s SILENT compared to the disc one and looks better too.

I think once Sport is done they’ll use the sport servers for GT7 which will vastly improve the lobbies.

But IMHO I think Polyphony were snookered into making a PS4 version by Sony - which I don’t think should exist

 

[Leggacy]

I’ve had the digital version and the disc version - and if I had to choose I’d pick the digital. It’s SILENT compared to the disc one and looks better too.

I think once Sport is done they’ll use the sport servers for GT7 which will vastly improve the lobbies.

But IMHO I think Polyphony were snookered into making a PS4 version by Sony - which I don’t think should exist

Public lobbies in GT Sport are P2P just like in GT7, there are no server’s involved

 

[SYLVERIS]

Hi,
I tried GT7 today again
The catastrophic and imprecise new physics apart, I would like a confirmation from you :
I was surprised to see that the car tune has not any effect on the car, and some told me it's normal because of BoP !
But ? BoP and car tune are 2 different things !
So, on top of the lag, can you confirm me that even if a host set a lobby with BoP and car tune, car tune doesn't work ?
This will be worth than I think, no information about the state of the race before to join ( we don't know if the race is started or not ), no brake balance, lag... and on top of that, car tune doesn't work when there is BoP ?
Thanks

 

[Famine]

Hi,
I tried GT7 today again
The catastrophic and imprecise new physics apart, I would like a confirmation from you :
I was surprised to see that the car tune has not any effect on the car, and some told me it's normal because of BoP !
But ? BoP and car tune are 2 different things !
So, on top of the lag, can you confirm me that even if a host set a lobby with BoP and car tune, car tune doesn't work ?
This will be worth than I think, no information about the state of the race before to join ( we don't know if the race is started or not ), no brake balance, lag... and on top of that, car tune doesn't work when there is BoP ?
Thanks

Yes, BOP reverts all vehicle settings to standard. It has done since GT Sport.

Edit: And for that, despite previous reminders about your conduct,you're done.