The credits cost of all 454 cars in Gran Turismo 7 [489 Million total]

[Eggstor]

How long does it roughly take for a full rotation for both legendary and user car dealership?
I'm starting just now to collect these cars that can't be bought in brand central, so roughly how long would it take to see the cars that were previously listed in the legendary and used car dealership?

The UCD is pretty unknown as there have been cars that have appeared 2 or even 3x already and yet some cars that are yet to appear.

We haven't had any 3x appearances in the rotation...yet. Of the 105 UCD candidates (including all 35 2001-2010 Brand Central road cars...assuming the tuning house/custom builder cars and race cars aren't going to be in the UCD), we have had 100 appear at least once and 14 appear twice (6 of those sold out between 3/2 and 3/4).

The UCD should cycle through that roughly every 4 weeks (1 week on, 3 weeks off, give or take a couple days) now that there's 30 slots.

 

[Eggstor]

Make it 18 repeats in the UCD as all 4 "fresh" cars were previously in the rotation.

The new ones in Hagerty's:

• 1988 Jaguar XJR-9 - 2,500,000 Cr.
• 1970 Mazxda RX500 - 600,000 Cr. (some sources had this going to the UCD)
• (scratch that; I didn't enter the 250 GTO into my spreadsheet)
• 1966 Renault R8 Gordini - 28,500 Cr. (no, that is not a typo)
• 1992 Nissan R92CP - 2,000,000 Cr.
• 1991 Mazda 787B - 1,875,000 Cr.

4 sell-outs in the UCD, none in Hagerty's.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Jaguar XJR-9 - 2.500.000
Mazda RX500 - 600.000
Renault R8 Gordini - 28.500
Nissan R92CP - 2.000.000
Mazda 787B - 1.875.000

Group C orgams I'm having right now.

And it also confirms the fact that an engine is half the price of the car, since the engine swap 787B is 932.5k

 

[Eggstor]

Jaguar XJR-9 - 2.500.000
Mazda RX500 - 600.000
Renault R8 Gordini - 28.500
Nissan R92CP - 2.000.000
Mazda 787B - 1.875.000

Group C orgams I'm having right now.

And it also confirms the fact that an engine is half the price of the car, since the engine swap 787B is 932.5k

Make sure to catch which one pops the trophy. We now have 3 #Le Mans tagged winners in the absolute correct livery (the Sauber has the wrong number).

Edit - I see in the trophy thread it didn't pop with these cars.

 

[wicken]

Make sure to catch which one pops the trophy. We now have 3 #Le Mans tagged winners in the absolute correct livery (the Sauber has the wrong number).

Edit - I see in the trophy thread it didn't pop with these cars.

At this point we are going to wait for the 330P4 to show up to see if the trophy pops.

 

[ballyn]

At this point we are going to wait for the 330P4 to show up to see if the trophy pops.

I've been saying this since launch (and been insulted for it too).

It has been pointed out, in the other thread that the McLaren F1 GTR '95 is a worth contender we've yet to see, but I personally feel unlikely.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Only 11 cars left to price.

I have the overall credits at almost 397 million.

With the D-Type, 330 P4, F1 GTR and the Spyder Type 550/1500 left, it's safe to bet that the overall is going to surpass 420 million.

 

[GTboyz]

Only 11 cars left to price.

I have the overall credits at almost 397 million.

With the D-Type, 330 P4, F1 GTR and the Spyder Type 550/1500 left, it's safe to bet that the overall is going to surpass 420 million.

962C?

 

[Grimm6Jack]

962C?

Not that expensive. All Gr.C cars have been below 3 million... The 962C is not going to be any different. It also has no reason to be more expensive than the Sauber C9 or even the Jaguar XJR-9.

I'll say 2.2-2.5 million will be it's price.

 

[Samus]

Only 11 cars left to price.

I have the overall credits at almost 397 million.

With the D-Type, 330 P4, F1 GTR and the Spyder Type 550/1500 left, it's safe to bet that the overall is going to surpass 420 million.

Yeah with these Group C cars all coming in a fair bit under my estimates the total is going to be a bit less than my 433M estimate, unless any of the remaining ones are way over my estimates. These were my original estimates:

Chevrolet​	Camaro Z28​	1969​	35,000​
Chevrolet​	Corvette Stingray Concept​	1959​	75,000​
Dodge​	Challenger R/T​	1970​	90,000​
Ferrari​	330 P4​	1967​	8,000,000​
Jaguar​	D-Type​	1954​	12,000,000​
Lamborghini​	Countach LP400​	1974​	750,000​
McLaren​	F1 GTR Kokusai Kaihatsu​	1995​	7,000,000​
Nissan​	Skyline R34 GT-R GT500​	1999​	1,500,000​
Plymouth​	Superbird​	1970​	220,000​
Porsche​	962 C​	1988​	3,000,000​
Porsche​	Spyder Type 550/1500 RS​	1955​	4,500,000​

Based on the others the 962C will probably be 2 or 2.5, D-Type could be more though I guess. It depends whether they value it generally, or against the exact model in game.

The real one that sold for $21M in 2016 was the 1955 #4 that won Le Mans in 1956, the model in GT7 is the 1954 #12 which was driven by Stirling Moss in 1954 but DNF'd, so unlikely be as valuable.

Sotherbys sold one that only ever did local racing for $6M last year, so I put my estimate in the middle.

1955 Jaguar D-Type | Arizona 2021 | RM Sotheby's

1955 Jaguar D-Type for sale at RM Sotheby's Arizona

rmsothebys.com

330 P4 is also hard to price, none that sold were ever disclosed that I found so it's all estimates.

 

[Eggstor]

Nothing new to price, and only 1 sell-out (in the UCD).

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Chevrolet​	Camaro Z28​	1969​	35,000​
Chevrolet​	Corvette Stingray Concept​	1959​	75,000​
Dodge​	Challenger R/T​	1970​	90,000​
Ferrari​	330 P4​	1967​	8,000,000​
Jaguar​	D-Type​	1954​	12,000,000​
Lamborghini​	Countach LP400​	1974​	750,000​
McLaren​	F1 GTR Kokusai Kaihatsu​	1995​	7,000,000​
Nissan​	Skyline R34 GT-R GT500​	1999​	1,500,000​
Plymouth​	Superbird​	1970​	220,000​
Porsche​	962 C​	1988​	3,000,000​
Porsche​	Spyder Type 550/1500 RS​	1955​	4,500,000​

What did you use to estimate the F1 GTR '95? 7 million only? Even less than the long tail version?

Outside of that, I think your estimates are pretty spot on. The D-Type is almost certainly the most expensive car left (again, with the F1 being the only wild card).
The 330 P4 being lower in price than the XJ13 also feels kind of off, not only is it a Ferrari, but it has a lot of racing history as well, but I do read estimates of 8 million so maybe it could be that. But I also read in other sources estimates at 15 million.

 

[Samus]

What did you use to estimate the F1 GTR '95? 7 million only? Even less than the long tail version?

I can't remember to be honest, I think it was before the long tail turned up. I guess I was just going by the usual idea that race cars don't tend to be as valuable as the road car.

Outside of that, I think your estimates are pretty spot on. The D-Type is almost certainly the most expensive car left (again, with the F1 being the only wild card).
The 330 P4 being lower in price than the XJ13 also feels kind of off, not only is it a Ferrari, but it has a lot of racing history as well, but I do read estimates of 8 million so maybe it could be that. But I also read in other sources estimates at 15 million.

Yeah the 330 P4 is all estimates online so it's really anyone's guess what Hagerty put it at. As you say, could be anywhere from about 8 to 15.

 

[VBdoughboy]

(PS5 still in a box. GT7 still unrapped)
love the classics.
just a thought... loath, absolutely
loath grinding, but Kaz might have got this right. lately it's been respectful prices. or so it seems

 

[Grimm6Jack]

(PS5 still in a box. GT7 still unrapped)
love the classics.
just a thought... loath, absolutely
loath grinding, but Kaz might have got this right. lately it's been respectful prices. or so it seems

No... It's not respectful payouts.

Most people here are either grinding 1 or 2 races until they blow away their sanity (which is bad mind you) or using exploits like the AFK Grind Script or the Tomahawk X glitch. The former is unlikely to be patched and it's not that good in terms of outright payout (about 600k per hour) but you don't have to move a finger which overnight letting your PC and Console on, will net you about 5 million in 9 hours or so., however the later is already a known issue and will be patched soon. And that one is giving at best about 3.3 million per hour (skill dependant).

Without the Tomhawk X glitch, the best you can get is ~1.6 million per hour. Which tending into account the amount of cars that you will buy and tune (so consider that 400+ million credits) that is still laughably low.

 

[VBdoughboy]

No... It's not respectful payouts.

Most people here are either grinding 1 or 2 races until they blow away their sanity (which is bad mind you) or using exploits like the AFK Grind Script or the Tomahawk X glitch. The former is unlikely to be patched and it's not that good in terms of outright payout (about 600k per hour) but you don't have to move a finger which overnight letting your PC and Console on, will net you about 5 million in 9 hours or so., however the later is already a known issue and will be patched soon. And that one is giving at best about 3.3 million per hour (skill dependant).

Without the Tomhawk X glitch, the best you can get is ~1.6 million per hour. Which tending into account the amount of cars that you will buy and tune (so consider that 400+ million credits) that is still laughably low.

agreed. the payouts don't match prices. they seem to have started to realize this, but yes, they've a way to go to improve.
though, still like irl prices

 

[Eggstor]

Nothing new to report - the one car that sold out yesterday in the UCD was replaced by a repeat (at the same price as its first appearance).

There will be nothing to report tomorrow regarding possible fresh cars to price - nothing is freshly sold out in either the UCD or Hagerty's.

 

[Brego]

What I don't understand, is how they can market this game without doing basic common sense exercises.

For example, at 1.6m per hour, the 20m cars will take 12.5 hours. For every single 20m cr. vehicle. Is PD thinking that we value these cars at 12.5 hours of our time running the same race over and over? What would you be more comfortable with? Personally, I would feel like 4 hours is about right for my time vs my favorite 20m cr vehicles.

How hard is it to take the total cr. of all cars, and the total cr. of upgrades for lets say 25% of your cars? They have those numbers already. We have to estimate. My guess is 400m + 400m or so. 800m cr. (just a wild guess on my part). But lets say the total you want for all cars, and upgrades for the cars you care about is around 800m. At 1.6m per hour that will take 500 hours. for a casual player like me, with other responsibilities in life like a job, family, home and life in general, that is going to be easily 2 years. Unless of course I take time out to do licenses, other championships and races, some online races perhaps, and other various features of the game, in which case that 500 hours is going to be more like 1,200 hours.

So my question is how much time do you think the highest value cars should cost you, doing nothing but grinding the highest payout race? Like I said personally, I think 4 hours is about it for me. Especially considering there are a number of cars at this price.

No one wants to run the same race over and over forever, so I am also wondering what is the average per hour PD is thinking a player is going to earn, running different races, working on license golds, missions, circuit experience, and online races? That number is (wild guess) far less than half, maybe 1/4 the max rate. If this is so, then they are expecting the average player to earn the top cars with 48 hours game time for each one. I have on average 6-8 hours per week, so...

This weekend I will spend some time doing other events and see if I can get an estimate of what I would be earning on average, if I'm not dedicating all my time to the exploit. (I'm getting 2.4m/hr currently)

 

[Grimm6Jack]

So my question is how much time do you think the highest value cars should cost you, doing nothing but grinding the highest payout race? Like I said personally, I think 4 hours is about it for me. Especially considering there are a number of cars at this price.

Pretty much what you said.

I estimated that 7hr for the most expensive cars was reasonable, but not the ideal. 4 hours is fine, however, 4 hours END-GAME not 4hr right from day 1.
What I mean with this is, you first need to complete the "low-level" category races/missions/events to unlock the higher level ones which are the ones which will give you the best cr/time eventually. When you are finished with all of them, you should have several events that give similar payouts in terms of cr/time so that you don't "feel" the grind, and do things differently.

OR, the ideal scenario for all of this would be:

About 80% of the credits you need for the tunes and cars, you get from the actual content you play, which of course needs to be tons and tons of events, but hey, I would be fine with this as long as it's not repeating the same crap all over again. And alongside those credits, you are given some prize cars.
But at the end of the day, you are still not able to get some cars unless you buy them, which, are the last 20% (I'm just using these figures at random), if say, we need an extra 50 million credits to buy the rest of the cars, I would be fine if the best event is at 1.6 million per hour.
However, as it stands, you need way over 400 million credits for whatever it's left after getting a few prize cars and the prize money for the events you did. And that translated to either hundreds of hours of tedious grinding or THOUSANDS of hours of normal gameplay. That's just no acceptable.
And let's not forget about DLC cars in the future, which I doubt they will be put in your garage for free credits.

But regardless, it should never, EVER be double figures 10+ to get a car. Some games have campaigns that can be speedrun to that time or less, and this is an entire campaign... Yet PD wants us to grind for over 10 hours the same event for one car? Just no man.

EDIT PS: I was lucky to find useful things like AFK grind and the Tomahawk X exploit, because if not for these, I would still not be anywhere near collecting the LCD cars, and missing out on them requires you to wait for almost 2 months to get the chance again...

 

[Eggstor]

If the Legendary trophy is a repeat, we'll know presently - the 1967 Ferrari 330 P4 is now available in Hagerty's for 9,000,000 Cr.

That's the only fresh non-repeat, and there's 3 freshly sold out in the UCD.

Edit - Yep, it is a virtual repeat of the GT5 trophy involving the 330 P4, Ford Mark IV and Jaguar XJ13. That will set you back 25,600,000 Cr...at least as long as you previously bought the Ford and Jaguar.

 

[snowgt]

I'm not going to lie - I also think the economy is still somewhat flawed, but you can also look at it from another perspective...

• With just 100 million, you can buy 330 of GT7's cars (at currently known prices). That's a whopping 78%.
• With 200 million you get 394 cars. (93%)
• With 300 million you get up to 408. (96%)

And bearing in mind that you get a lot of cars gifted through the natural progression, you really get a lot quite fast. It's just for the last few percent that you need to suffer.

I also think that it would have been good game mechanics to make the most expensive cars prize cars for difficult events. Because, honestly, I know I want those cars like the Mercedes Barker Tourer or the Alfa 8C Lungo, but I also know I really can't use them for anything in game. (I guess you could take pictures in Scapes ... but I'm not one of those people)

 

[o000o]

Ferrari 330 P4 has appeared with the price of 9,000,000 Cr.

 

[R3V]

Is PD thinking that we value these cars at 12.5 hours of our time running the same race over and over? What would you be more comfortable with? Personally, I would feel like 4 hours is about right for my time vs my favorite 20m cr vehicles.

Someone should make a thread with a poll about this. How many hours of of gameplay needed to buy the most expensive car? Given of course you've completed the game and unlocked everything.

4 hours is indeed the maximum for a single player grind. Daily races should pay 1/8th of the highest value car if you finish in the top 10.

 

[Eggstor]

Nothing new to price; all 3 UCD refreshes are repeats (again). Maybe we'll have something new there, but not at Hagerty's, tomorrow as 4 cars freshly sold out (probably not).

 

[Boxster]

I'm not going to lie - I also think the economy is still somewhat flawed, but you can also look at it from another perspective...

• With just 100 million, you can buy 330 of GT7's cars (at currently known prices). That's a whopping 78%.
• With 200 million you get 394 cars. (93%)
• With 300 million you get up to 408. (96%)

And bearing in mind that you get a lot of cars gifted through the natural progression, you really get a lot quite fast. It's just for the last few percent that you need to suffer.

I also think that it would have been good game mechanics to make the most expensive cars prize cars for difficult events. Because, honestly, I know I want those cars like the Mercedes Barker Tourer or the Alfa 8C Lungo, but I also know I really can't use them for anything in game. (I guess you could take pictures in Scapes ... but I'm not one of those people)

Thank you for calculating and writing down what I have thought since V1.09.
I have received almost 100 cars as prizes, have almost all UCD cars, am well underway with any legendary cars under 5 million credits and can buy any dealership car I want. And that's with some 60 million credits earned through normal play, no grind whatsoever.
So I will have to play a bit to buy the most expensive cars. I don't mind, I like to play and they will come.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Nothing new to price; all 3 UCD refreshes are repeats (again). Maybe we'll have something new there, but not at Hagerty's, tomorrow as 4 cars freshly sold out (probably not).

These final rotations (especially of the LCD) are being so painfully slow... To the point it actually makes me wonder if adding 5 more slots even made any difference (I know it did, but it doesn't feel like it).

 

[Eggstor]

These final rotations (especially of the LCD) are being so painfully slow... To the point it actually makes me wonder if adding 5 more slots even made any difference (I know it did, but it doesn't feel like it).

It did. We haven't had a repeat in Hagerty's...even going back to what was sold out on 2/23. Between the 1.11 update and the entirety of Hagerty's changing since then, we've had 15 previously-unseen cars there. The only "repeats" there thus far are repeats from the 12/17 State of Play, and those 3 came prior to the 1.11 update (with 1 sold out before the official game release).

We can't quite say the same for the UCD. We've already had 29 repeats of the 101 cars that have been part of the rotation (going back to what was sold out on 3/2), with a guaranteed UCD-only car and possibly 4 more UCD-only cars that have yet to enter the rotation.

 

[Matt atkins]

I think the price of cars needs to come down

 

[Eggstor]

Nothing previously unpriced in tonight's refresh, though the 1975 Ferrari 308 GTB finally made the UCD rotation. There are 6 fresh sell-outs in the UCD and 1 in Hagerty's.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Celica GT-Four and the Countach 25th A. were both cars I hadn't acquired yet. So... nice. Bought two of them Celicas. At this point, almost every sub-million road car I'm going to buy a duplicate of.

And yes, it's strange to see some cars repeating already. Maybe the other cars left to price are in fact going to be LCD cars? Some of them would be very surprising if so.