The Earth is Flat?

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That is clearly not me. If this topic is upsetting then why the thread for it? If this thread is a joke then I was not in on it. I am not a troll. I am not here to upset people. Sorry if you feel I am but I am not here for trolling.
The only thing upsetting people is that you are pushing a theory that contradicts innumerable scientific observations over thousands of years and your only evidence is an evangelist who is showing partial paragraphs of some document and claiming that round earth is a conspiracy. All you have been asked for from the start is hard evidence (peer reviewed scientific articles would be ideal) to support your stance. Like it or not, the burden of proof is on you.
 
That is clearly not me. If this topic is upsetting then why the thread for it? If this thread is a joke then I was not in on it. I am not a troll. I am not here to upset people. Sorry if you feel I am but I am not here for trolling.

Maybe I was a little harsh, and for that I apologize. But how do you not understand how offensive you have been? As someone who has dedicated their life to understanding our planet and how it works, it offends me that you cannot listen to reason and assume everything is fake. They you suggest all scientists are a part of some movement to lie to people? That hurts.

You cannot poop on decades, and decades of peer-reviewed, data driven research by thousands of people who have PhDs by saying statements simply fake and not having any proof to back it up.
 
Why is it hard to disagree without getting upset. I am not pushing anything on anyone. If the topic for discussion stirs emotion in people like this then shouldn't it not be here. I was asked and I provided what I had. It isn't like I came on this thread and just threw these videos on here to start trouble. I was asked for and I provided them. Eric Dubay is not an evangelist just the guy in the videos who's links someone wanted. I even warned ahead of time that the guy in the video was a pastor. You guys have a lot of questions. I have even more questions. I don't have all the answers. I'm sure you guys don't have all the answers either. Calling people names though is not helpful just hurting. So let's see I have been called stupid and a troll and whatever was censored. I know for a fact I have called no one any names in this thread. So from the start there is a lack of respect. Not on my end though. I would suggest removing this thread or call globe believers but discussion doesn't seem to be what you guys want on here. It seems you want people to confirm to your belief and if not the name calling will begin. I will never get on this thread and call people names. All I want is discussion and yes we will disagree on almost everything, but communicating in my mind is a good thing. Or can we not even agree on that?
 
Maybe I was a little harsh, and for that I apologize. But how do you not understand how offensive you have been? As someone who has dedicated their life to understanding our planet and how it works, it offends me that you cannot listen to reason and assume everything is fake. They you suggest all scientists are a part of some movement to lie to people? That hurts.

You cannot poop on decades, and decades of peer-reviewed, data driven research by thousands of people who have PhDs by saying statements simply fake and not having any proof to back it up.
Not my intentions to be offensive. I have this exact problem with my wife as she is a devoted Christian and I called her religion a slave religion. I was wrong to say that even if I think it is true. So I have had to change the way I approach communicating with her on the subject. I see I have to do the same here. I am not trying to discredit your work. I think you can see there is no easy way to talk about this subject when you disagree on it. I will work harder at it cause I am not a troll. I am not stupid. School was always easy for me and boring. I don't feel like I am better than anyone here. I am on lifes journey searching for answers. I just want to say again that not all scientist believe the globe. I am sorry if I offended you and I will try harder not to.
 
All I want is discussion and yes we will disagree on almost everything, but communicating in my mind is a good thing. Or can we not even agree on that?
Cool. So my questions above?
I'd really like to see a response from him regarding what you've provided here, since the majority of the basis for FE arguments seems to revolve around the government lying to serve its agendas. That, however, is something that you've personally observed and documented rather than something provided to you by the government.
 
I'm still struggling with the terms 'belief' and 'globe' being in the same sentence. But anyway, could you please point us to a couple of these scientists you speak of (a pastor is not a scientist)?

Lets narrow it down even further. I want to see the names of scientists who have backgrounds in Geological Sciences. A random crazy dude with a degree in Biological Sciences does not count.
 
The problem is that 99% of the people in this thread believe that the earth is a globe (oops @Barra333 ). You @quentin1974 stand alone in believing that the earth is flat. 99% against 1% (not accurate but you know what I mean) is not a discussion, it is an impossible task for you to get your belief accross.

Also, all the scientific proof that the earth is a planet can't be ignored and I believe you said that you don't believe these scientists. But you believe a guy and a presentation on youtube? Poor proof given by you make people starting to question you if you are for real or trying to fool us.


*The truth is out there*.
 
I wanted to ask about the space shuttle and it's purpose. Did you make it that far in or not?
I wanted to read those documents you've read, and I think it's fair to answer my questions on that before starting to ask questions of me.

Incidentally, "Earthrise" was taken in 1968, 22 years before the first Adobe Photoshop. For more recent photos of Earth follow any of the ISS astronauts and cosmonauts on Twitter. Tim Peake did almost nothing but take photos of the Earth.

Also, speaking of the Shuttle, check out STS-133. The money shots for you start around here:


Fun fact: I went to KSC to watch this launch, as it was scheduled for my 33rd birthday. Sadly, weather meant it was scrubbed and it launched six months later. Saw her on the pad though.
 
The problem is that 99% of the people in this thread believe that the earth is a globe (oops @Barra333 ). You @quentin1974 stand alone in believing that the earth is flat. 99% against 1% (not accurate but you know what I mean) is not a discussion, it is an impossible task for you to get your belief accross.

Also, all the scientific proof that the earth is a planet can't be ignored and I believe you said that you don't believe these scientists. But you believe a guy and a presentation on youtube? Poor proof given by you make people starting to question you if you are for real or trying to fool us.


*The truth is out there*.
Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary. But I'm sure they don't count as scientists.
 
Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary.
If you don't understand how experiments work and if you believe the Luminiferous Aether theory for the transmission of electromagnetic radiation. So no, try again. Any answers to the questions I posed above? You seem to be ignoring them. I thought you wanted discussion?
 
Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary.
That's absolute hogwash.

The experiment was predicated on light moving through a supposed "luminiferous aether" - a medium filling space that light could pass through, rather than a vacuum that light, then thought of as waves, should not be able to pass through.

The experiment didn't prove anything - that's not how experiments work. It failed to prove the existence of luminiferous aether, as the light travelled at equal speeds both across and perpendicular to the supposed direction of the aether.

The Earth's movement was a foundation of the experiment, with the experiment designed so that if the Earth dragged the aether with it or if the Earth moved through the aether without disturbing it, the outcome would not be affected. It became one of the staging points for special relativity.


Talk about misrepresentation!
 
Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary. But I'm sure they don't count as scientists.

Not familiar with this experiment. What do you mean the Earth is stationary? The Earth doesn't rotate? How do night and day cycles work?
 
Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary.
No, it didn't. Their conclusion at the time may have supported that theory (although I doubt even that), but that conclusion (if indeed it was ever made) has since been overturned by 131 years of scientific advances including direct observations and experimental methods that Michelson and Morley could only have dreamed off. One thing is for sure though, that if confronted with the evidence available to them today, there is not a chance in hell that they would conclude that the Earth is stationary.

But I'm sure they don't count as scientists.
:rolleyes: Lame.

Michelson and Morley were great scientists, but as Carl Sagan once said, 'intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong'. And being great scientists as they were, they would have known that too.
 
I'm just gonna quote this here from the last time we poked a million holes in flat earth theory. Again, it's far far easier to demonstrate to yourself that flat earth theory is wrong, than it is to demonstrate that any particular proof of round earth theory could not be fake.

This has already been covered at length by the members above. I thought I'd make a few slightly different comments though. The Earth being flat causes so many problems. What's a lunar eclipse? Why can we see sunlight from the moon at night but not sunlight from the sun? Why is australia the wrong size. Why can we fly south from chile to australia? Why do sunrise sunset times exist the way they do at every city south of the equator? Why does gravity not behave radially? Why can we see stars? Does the universe exist outside of the flat earth? or does it start at the edge of antarctica? If there's a universe dome, what happens when you bump into it? If not, what happens when you jump off the edge of antarctica? Why do weather patters act as though the earth is round? Why is it possible for a cloud to exist spanning the south pole? How does the south pole exist?

We'd need a new theory of gravity, a new process for ocean currents, weather, tides, the earth's magnetic field, solar radiation, satellite orbits, formation of the earth, age of the earth, fossil record dating, evolution. We'd need to understand what keeps mars orbiting? Certainly not the sun. All of geology is ruined. All of celestial mechanics is ruined. Newtonian motion is ruined. Magnetism is ruined, and that affects our understanding of electricity.

You're talking about nothing less than the complete and utter destruction of almost all human knowledge of the physical world. It affects how computers work, how cars work, basic mechanical advantage. If you're talking about overturning Newton, Einstein, Maxwell and all of the rest of them (which you pretty much have to be), we can't even understand why the cross beam over your head is capable of bearing the load of the roof.

So it's kinda hard to imagine this scenario.
 
the guy who is like the face for nasa. I think his name is Bill Nye.
This was a good read, but this was way too damn funny. This is a perfect troll response even if Quentin is serious. :lol:

Have you been to space? I haven't been there.

I did and the NASA guy told me the photo's are CGI and he said they have to be CGI. I would love to see an actual picture of earth. There isn't one.
Did Eddie Bravo sign up on this forum? This is the exact same response he has towards every conspiracy. "I've never been there. I've never seen one. How do you know? Photos are fake."

*Language*


Where is the edge? And how does the water get back on?
Ice wall, c'mon daan.
 
I'd like to bring a quote from Isaac Asimov, American writer and professor of biochemistry at Boston University. It's a quote I try to live by every day.

"I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be."

I will gladly believe in flat Earth, with strong, undeniable evidence that disproves the current established.

But the fact of the matter is, there isn't evidence for it. The evidence for a round Earth is so much stronger. Not to mention we have seen our own planet from the ISS and from the moon.

I'll let you believe anything. You want to believe in god(s) that create the world? Fine. I don't, but I wont fight you on it. But I won't ever let anyone believe in a flat Earth without being questioned by myself. We have seen it. It simply isn't true.

I flawed idea based on psuedoscience.
 
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I'd like to bring a quote from Isaac Asimov, American writer and professor of biochemistry at Boston University. It's a quote I try to live by every day.

"I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be."

I will gladly believe in flat Earth, with strong, undeniable evidence that disproves the current established.

But the fact of the matter is, there isn't evidence for it. The evidence for a round Earth is so much stronger. Not to mention we have seen our own planet from the ISS and from the moon.

I'll let you believe anything. You want to believe in god(s) that create the world? Fine. I don't, but I wont fight you on it. But I won't ever let anyone believe in a flat Earth without being questioned by myself. We have seen it. It simply isn't true.

I flawed idea based on psuedoscience.

There is definitely evidence for a globe earth. But to say that there is no evidence for a flat earth is just wrong. If there were no evidences millions of people would not have believed it. (Not everyone of them has an IQ below 70).
 
The Michelson-Morley experiment tested for the existence of a medium to carry light, by assuming that two different paths of light would result in an interference pattern, a result of light going two different directions having different speeds. The hypothesis was that if the Earth was moving, the light had to be faster in one direction than another, so two equal-length paths would show interference when recombined, as the medium the Earth moved through was not moving, thereby showing a speed difference one direction from another.

Since there was no interference, one might conclude that the Earth is motionless, rather than traveling rapidly through the aether. Simple celestial observations contradict that conclusion rather easily.

A more valid conclusion is that light needs no medium to travel through, can indeed travel through complete vacuum, so the aether being tested for does not actually exist.

There is definitely evidence for a globe earth. But to say that there is no evidence for a flat earth is just wrong. If there were no evidences millions of people would not have believed it. (Not everyone of them has an IQ below 70).

Huh??? How can there possibly be evidence for a concept that is so demonstrably incorrect?? Here: read my lips. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT!!!
 
What wasn't beautifull about this thread :embarrassed:

Entertainment value 'over 9000'!
And people were saying they hope he was trolling earlier. I'm kind of glad he isn't, Poe's law notwithstanding. It's given this thread a shot in the arm of adrenaline, flatly speaking.
 
Well anyone can observe distant objects that should be hidden below thousands of feet of curvature.
A thousand feet of curvature is 40 miles. If you're six feet tall, the horizon is three miles. So no.
 
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