The Earth is Flat?

[TheGeologist]

To be fair they're overlapping (and to some extent interchangeable) disciplines.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Geography is a consolidation of human social interaction, map making and culture (as I understand it). They briefly touch on landscape development. It isn't a science.

Geology is a rigorous discipline which requires a genuine understanding of chemistry, biology, and physics and talks about a wide array of concepts such as: the formation of the Earth, petrology, paleontology, the formation of landscapes, glaciers, plate tectonics, mantellic evolution, volcanology and so many more concepts.

All do respect to geographers, but they could never do the job of a geologist. It requires very specific and specialized training. It is not an easy discipline.

 

[WhiteFlight1]

He says ship tracker was used but there's no way to verify it was actually used. I don't think the boat disappears on the horizon only 1-2 miles away, I think the ship as it appears in that video is only a couple of miles away.

True, but anyone with access to an ocean can confirm this for themselves. I agree you should not take anyone's word for it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

True, but anyone with access to an ocean can confirm this for themselves. I agree you should not take anyone's word for it.

Did you read my post? I live on a lake that's 200 miles long and 45-50 miles wide, I don't need an ocean to confirm the globe is not flat. Ships disappear over the horizon every single day.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Geography is a consolidation of human social interaction, map making and culture (as I understand it). They briefly touch on landscape development. It isn't a science.

Geology is a rigorous discipline which requires a genuine understanding of chemistry, biology, and physics and talks about a wide array of concepts such as: the formation of the Earth, petrology, paleontology, the formation of landscapes, glaciers, plate tectonics, mantellic evolution, volcanology and so many more concepts.

All do respect to geographers, but they could never do the job of a geologist. It requires very specific and specialized training. It is not an easy discipline.

As you mention Geography reaches out into humanities disciplines. You're incorrect that it can't be a science or that a geographer's understanding of 'root' sciences is not necessarily genuine. Physical Geography in particular is a good example of one of the more rigorous scientific disciplines. Of course geography can include cultural heritage, cartological historicity, sociology but that is far from the limit of the subject. It's a hugely overarching field.

You should be wary of compartmentalising study or understanding into overly-specific subject areas. Many have legitimate and beneficial crossovers.

 

[WhiteFlight1]

Did you read my post? I live on a lake that's 200 miles long and 45-50 miles wide, I don't need an ocean to confirm the globe is not flat. Ships disappear over the horizon every single day.

The problem is they are up to 20 miles miles away when they become impossible to see is my point.(with a telescope) Why does that happen? Im just curious

 

[Moglet]

Seriously I don't know what a troll is but I know I am not one.

How can you know you're not one when you don't know what one is?

 

[PzR Slim]

What does geography have to do with geology?

I studied quite a lot of geology during secondary education in geography class. Chill out?

 

[Johnnypenso]

The problem is they are up to 20 miles miles away when they become impossible to see is my point.(with a telescope) Why does that happen? Im just curious

Impossible to see because of haze or atmospheric debris you mean, or because they disappear over the curvature of the round earth?

 

[TheGeologist]

As you mention Geography reaches out into humanities disciplines. You're incorrect that it can't be a science or that a geographer's understanding of 'root' sciences is not necessarily genuine. Physical Geography in particular is a good example of one of the more rigorous scientific disciplines. Of course geography can include cultural heritage, cartological historicity, sociology but that is far from the limit of the subject. It's a hugely overarching field.

You should be wary of compartmentalising study or understanding into overly-specific subject areas. Many have legitimate and beneficial crossovers.

Let me clarify my statement.

Physical Geography is essentially Physical Geology that often does not dive into complicated features of Geology. A quick google search brings up Ohio Universities requirements for a major in Physical Geography

Students specializing in Physical Geography will receive technical training in areas such as biogeography, geoscience, hydrology, glaciology, geomorphology, land cover change, and global climate change. Physical geographers are concerned about the impact of natural hazards, such as hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes, on humans and the built environment.

These concepts are also taught in Geological Science classes. A lot of times people think this means that the disciplines are interchangable, but this is really as far as similarities go. Geography misses some of the most complex aspects of Geology including Structural, Stratigraphic, and Petrologic.

My point is not to put down Geographers, I highly respect the discipline . I just do not find its concepts as rigorous as the detail that Geology goes into. Just as I said that a geographer could never do the job of a geologist, I believe I could never do the job of a geographer either.

I studied quite a lot of geology during secondary education in geography class. Chill out?

T'was an honest question. As someone who has a lot of experience in geology, I don't find the disciplines that interchangeable. It wasn't an attack on anyone

 

[Barra333]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Geography is a consolidation of human social interaction, map making and culture (as I understand it). They briefly touch on landscape development. It isn't a science.

And I'm going to disagree back... I was going to try and explain, but wiki actually sums it up pretty well...
Geography (from Greek γεωγραφία, geographia, literally "earth description"[1]) is a field of science devoted to the study of the lands, the features, the inhabitants, and the phenomena of Earth.[2] ...Geography is an all-encompassing discipline that seeks an understanding of the Earth and its human and natural complexities—not merely where objects are, but how they have changed and come to be.

Geography is often defined in terms of the two branches of human geography and physical geography.[4][5] Human geography deals with the study of people and their communities, cultures, economies and interactions with the environment by studying their relations with and across space and place.[6] Physical geography deals with the study of processes and patterns in the natural environment like the atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, and geosphere.
What you understand of geography is human geography, which is more of a social science. Physical geography is very much a science in the same sense as geology, and overlapping in many aspects (though not interchangable IMO @TenEightyOne)

Geology is a rigorous discipline which requires a genuine understanding of chemistry, biology, and physics and talks about a wide array of concepts such as: the formation of the Earth, petrology, paleontology, the formation of landscapes, glaciers, plate tectonics, mantellic evolution, volcanology and so many more concepts.

While this statement isn't wrong, there is no way that anyone is an expert in all of it. In my old job, there were people who knew all there was to know about fluvial geology, but wouldn't be able to teach a basic volcanolgy course.
As another example - I could write: Biology is a rigorous discipline which requires a genuine understanding of chemistry, genetics, evolution, bacteriology, immune function, anatomy and many more. I know a decent amount about a few of those things, but by no means all of them.

All do respect to geographers, but they could never do the job of a geologist. It requires very specific and specialized training. It is not an easy discipline.

Sorry, but that is an incredibly elitist view of your own field. You could swap 'geographer' and 'geologist' with any two other disciplines and still be a true statement.
Above, you say that geologists require knowledge of biology - I would bet my PhD on it that you couldn't do my job, and I am just as certain that I couldn't do yours, despite knowing a little bit of chemistry and having worked with geologists in my last job.

 

[PzR Slim]

Let me clarify my statement.

Physical Geography is essentially Physical Geology that often does not dive into complicated features of Geology. A quick google search brings up Ohio Universities requirements for a major in Physical Geography



These concepts are also taught in Geological Science classes. A lot of times people think this means that the disciplines are interchangable, but this is really as far as similarities go. Geography misses some of the most complex aspects of Geology including Structural, Stratigraphic, and Petrologic.

My point is not to put down Geographers, I highly respect the discipline. I just do not find its concepts as rigorous as the detail that Geology goes into. Just as I said that a geographer could never do the job of a geologist, I believe I could never do the job of a geographer either.

I have never studied geology so would never deem to call myself a geologist, I bow down at your feet oh great one, but I have studied some geology in my geography studies hence why I said what I did. However, I really do think you need to chill out.

 

[TheGeologist]

And I'm going to disagree back... I was going to try and explain, but wiki actually sums it up pretty well...
Geography (from Greek γεωγραφία, geographia, literally "earth description"[1]) is a field of science devoted to the study of the lands, the features, the inhabitants, and the phenomena of Earth.[2] ...Geography is an all-encompassing discipline that seeks an understanding of the Earth and its human and natural complexities—not merely where objects are, but how they have changed and come to be.

Geography is often defined in terms of the two branches of human geography and physical geography.[4][5] Human geography deals with the study of people and their communities, cultures, economies and interactions with the environment by studying their relations with and across space and place.[6] Physical geography deals with the study of processes and patterns in the natural environment like the atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, and geosphere.
What you understand of geography is human geography, which is more of a social science. Physical geography is very much a science in the same sense as geology, and overlapping in many aspects (though not interchangable IMO @TenEightyOne)
While this statement isn't wrong, there is no way that anyone is an expert in all of it. In my old job, there were people who knew all there was to know about fluvial geology, but wouldn't be able to teach a basic volcanolgy course.
As another example - I could write: Biology is a rigorous discipline which requires a genuine understanding of chemistry, genetics, evolution, bacteriology, immune function, anatomy and many more. I know a decent amount about a few of those things, but by no means all of them.

Sorry, but that is an incredibly elitist view of your own field. You could swap 'geographer' and 'geologist' with any two other disciplines and still be a true statement.
Above, you say that geologists require knowledge of biology - I would bet my PhD on it that you couldn't do my job, and I am just as certain that I couldn't do yours, despite knowing a little bit of chemistry and having worked with geologists in my last job.

Never said I could do your job? Please check my post above. I've clarified my statement as people seem to have misinterpreted my meaning.

I have never studied geology so would never deem to call myself a geologist, I bow down at your feet oh great one, but I have studied some geology in my geography studies hence why I said what I did. However, I really do think you need to chill out.

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm simply trying to explain that I believe there is a big difference between the two disciplines. I don't think they overlap as much as others say.

I most certainly do not think a Geologist is better than a Geographer... I think they are two very different jobs, both of which require unique skills to complete the tasks at hand

I apologize if my words came across as an "elitist view", that was not my intention. I meant no disrespect.

 

[wfooshee]

This ship in that video thing... He says he found it on a tracker so he knows how far away it was. There's no information given as to where the camera was or where the ship was. We're just supposed to accept that it was however many miles away.

This is the same problem as @WhiteFlight1 's claim of a 1000-foot peak 40 miles away. Once he gave us the map, it turned out to be a 2000-foot peak only 32 miles away.

The problem is they are up to 20 miles miles away when they become impossible to see is my point.(with a telescope) Why does that happen? Im just curious

What makes you think they're 20 miles away? The same guesswork that made your mountain 40 miles away? If you're at the water's elevation yourself, something would have to be 900 feet high to be visible above the horizon.

 

[DesertPenguin]

In this forum, if you disagree with the wrong people it's considered an attack no matter how rational, unemotional and logical your responses are. Get use to it. IMO anyway.

Better not go to GameFAQs, 'tis a silly place.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Better not go to GameFAQs, 'tis a silly place.

I quickly realized the error of my ways and amends have been made. Sort of.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I still go there regularly for some specific boards but it terms of social boards that place is a hellhole that pretty much no serious discussion comes out of.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Physical geography is very much a science in the same sense as geology, and overlapping in many aspects (though not interchangable IMO @TenEightyOne)

I should have been clearer - some parts of each discipline are interchangeable but certainly not the entirety

@TheGeologist ... landscape development is as much a part of Archaeology nowadays as it is Physical Geography. See what I mean about discipline crossover?

 

[Tired Tyres]

The problem is they are up to 20 miles miles away when they become impossible to see is my point.(with a telescope) Why does that happen? Im just curious

Do you access to a beach and an view of the horizon where you can watch the sun set? Lie down watch it set. Stand up. There's the sun again. Curvature at work. No boats required.

 

[TB]

Personally I think claiming the Earth is flat is absurd. I can refute it simply by looking out my window.

Look at the horizon on my construction camera image:

Clearly not flat. And that's in North Dakota, the flattest thing since the invention of the pancake.

The problem is they are up to 20 miles miles away when they become impossible to see is my point.(with a telescope) Why does that happen? Im just curious

Assuming 5.8 feet (1.76 meters) to your eyes, the ship would have to be just under 200 feet (59.09 meters) tall before it would disappear below the horizon, 20 miles (32.18 km) away:

h0 is your height, h1 is the ship's height, d0 is the distance away. The shorter the object is, the closer it need to be to you to be visible. Just like why the shorter buildings from the Chicago skyline I posted yesterday aren't visible from 50 miles away but taller buildings are.

 

[baldgye]

I should have been clearer - some parts of each discipline are interchangeable but certainly not the entirety

@TheGeologist ... landscape development is as much a part of Archaeology nowadays as it is Physical Geography. See what I mean about discipline crossover?

I feel like we need Harry Hill to help us decide which is better and then we can get back to the REAL debate of weather the delicious pizza earth is flat or not!

 

[TexRex]

weather

 

[baldgye]

haaa I knew it was wrong after I posted it, Dyslexia is a cruel, but hilarious mistress

 

[TexRex]

haaa I knew it was wrong after I posted it, Dyslexia is a cruel, but hilarious mistress

I thought it pertinent, not only due to the homphonic relationship between the words, but also the spherical correct depiction of Earth in the video and earlier references to Bill Nye.

 

[kikie]

SpaceIL wants to land on the moon. Are they crazy? Don't they actually know the earth is flat and the moon is only a light on the firmament?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

A bunch of our family lives in St. Catherines. From the rough location of one of their houses — a short walk down to the waterfront — I can consistently see home from across the lake. Okay, not "home" as in my building (most of Liberty Village will obscure it), but the many skyscrapers of the financial district. Anything under 530ft though, including the SkyDome, isn't visible.

 

[TexRex]

SpaceIL wants to land on the moon. Are they crazy? Don't they actually know the earth is flat and the moon is only a light on the firmament?

Would that be an attempt to light upon a light?

 

[WhiteFlight1]

This ship in that video thing... He says he found it on a tracker so he knows how far away it was. There's no information given as to where the camera was or where the ship was. We're just supposed to accept that it was however many miles away.

This is the same problem as @WhiteFlight1 's claim of a 1000-foot peak 40 miles away. Once he gave us the map, it turned out to be a 2000-foot peak only 32 miles away.



What makes you think they're 20 miles away? The same guesswork that made your mountain 40 miles away? If you're at the water's elevation yourself, something would have to be 900 feet high to be visible above the horizon.

If you cant accept that there are observations where you can see farther than you should on a globe then i have nothing more to say. This is a known fact. I don't have a dog in this race.

 

[Barra333]

Never said I could do your job? Please check my post above. I've clarified my statement as people seem to have misinterpreted my meaning.

I was using our fields as an example that an "*-ist" from one field could not do the job of an "*-ist" from another field, even if there are crossover aspects.

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm simply trying to explain that I believe there is a big difference between the two disciplines. I don't think they overlap as much as others say.

That really depends on the sub-field. They are both huge disciplines to start with.

 

[TB]

If you cant accept that there are observations where you can see farther than you should on a globe then i have nothing more to say.

Except you can't.

This is a known fact.

Except it isn't.

I don't have a dog in this race.

If you had a dog, it would, based on logical assumptions, be viewable no further than 4.5 miles away.

 

[Danoff]

True, but anyone with access to an ocean can confirm this for themselves. I agree you should not take anyone's word for it.

...which suggests that it's not real. Because this vast conspiracy of the round earth could easily be debunked by anyone near the ocean. They can see for themselves right?

If you cant accept that there are observations where you can see farther than you should on a globe then i have nothing more to say. This is a known fact. I don't have a dog in this race.

Since it's a known fact, it should be easy for you to provide an example. The video you posted didn't have any actual verifiable distance in it. BTW, this makes more sense doesn't it?



Please explain the video.


Edit:

My guesses:

- CGI
- Tsunami that wiped the guy and town out shortly after the recording.
- "Perspective"