The fastest ROAD car in GT4!

[mouser]

Why would you put N3?! Use racing tires, prefferably R5, and it will handle fine, beleive me, I had the same problem with sucky tires... Anyway my fastest is my ZZII.

 

[235RX-7GT-C]

Cadillac Cien W/out nos 267m.p.h. W/ nos I got 285.

 

[scoobyonline200]

for me the BMW M5 feels really fast at the ring and at Citta Di Aria...but thats just me.

 

[Jedi2016]

for me the BMW M5 feels really fast at the ring and at Citta Di Aria...but thats just me.

The M5 is fast.. hehe. I was actually surprised when I pulled a sub-8:00 lap earlier, but I haven't done a "real" free-run with it yet to see just how fast it goes. I drive all my cars stock, by the way.

I do think that "fast" shouldn't necessarily mean measuring only top speed. Unless you do all your racing on the Test Course. I've found the Nürburgring to be the best test of what's a "fast" car, because it tests everything.. acceleration, braking, turning (high-speed and low-speed), top speed, etc. Quite a bit of it is very high speed, allowing cars with high top-ends to do their stuff, but it also requires a car that can handle well. That's why the BMW M-series cars do so well there.. they were born and bred on that track.

 

[niky]

whoo... sub-8? What tires?

 

[Kent]

I do think that "fast" shouldn't necessarily mean measuring only top speed. Unless you do all your racing on the Test Course. I've found the Nürburgring to be the best test of what's a "fast" car, because it tests everything.. acceleration, braking, turning (high-speed and low-speed), top speed, etc. Quite a bit of it is very high speed, allowing cars with high top-ends to do their stuff, but it also requires a car that can handle well. That's why the BMW M-series cars do so well there.. they were born and bred on that track.

Perfectly said. 👍

To elaborate on the same concept...

"The Ring" offers another aspect for testing cars.
The "sublties" of a car's characteristics are brought out because of the length and nature of the ring.

Small problems in a car's behavior can be over looked on courses like Motegi East or Grand Valley East but eventually those problems will be exposed during 12 mile laps of the ring.

It's almost like the ring amplifies each car's characteristics.
That's why I love to test there. 👍

Btw, I hate to say it, but after I put together a list of candidates for "fastest road car" I was dumb-founded by the size of my list.
One obvious stand-out was present though... The NSX LM road car.
Also, the GT ford and 7.3 zonda.

Anyway, ... Later.

 

[Jedi2016]

whoo... sub-8? What tires?

Whatever the default is.. this is all in Arcade Mode.. Sports Medium, I think?

Got just under 7:30 with a Tommy Kaira ZZII. I love that car. Quick as ****.

Haven't tried the Speed 12 on the 'Ring yet...

 

[s12ken]

I know BMW likes to do their suspension testing for new models in the 'ring.. actually, it's the perfect proving ground to see if a new model will actually perform well IRL...

Other cars that have tested in the 'ring that i know of:

Mitsubishi
Lancer Evos 7-9

Nissan:
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33 & R34) maybe the 32 also not sure
Nissan 350 Z
NISMO 350 Z-tune Z1
NISMO GTR Z-tune Z1 & Z2
Falken NISMO GTR

BMW:
all models

i know there are more but these are what i can recall on recent memory

 

[niky]

Whatever the default is.. this is all in Arcade Mode.. Sports Medium, I think?

Got just under 7:30 with a Tommy Kaira ZZII. I love that car. Quick as ****.

Haven't tried the Speed 12 on the 'Ring yet...

Ah... okay... could it be arcade physics?... closest I can get in GT Mode is 7:22 on SMs... one mistake, no walls hit, some grass clipped... maybe I'll try it later in Arcade and see how it works out... I'm not the best, but it's hard to believe there's almost have a minute still in the M5... you must have pulled a very VERY clean lap...

but as it is, it's a superlative car, and sometimes I can't help thinking it's just better than me...

P.S. They tested the new Astons to pieces on the ring before they released them... Can you imagine doing 8000km on the ring? That's either the best job known to motoring, or the worst... likely something of both.

 

[Jedi2016]

Looks like your time's better, anyway... 7:22. Mine was just under 8:00, I forget the exact time. So you're actually about thirty seconds faster than me.

 

[~Sp33~]

thats quite substantial

 

[Jedi2016]

thats quite substantial

LOL.. yeah it is. It usually takes me a while to figure out the ins and outs of the cars I take out there, so it takes a while before I get really good times with them (i.e. stop slowing down for corners that don't need it, stop saying "hello" to the armco, etc). For example, I was buzzing around today in the M3 GTR Race Car, and had the realization "Ooo.. I can take those couple of corners flat out..." (corners I usually have to slow down for in all but the best-handling race cars). Or cars like the Zonda I was driving around later... "Corner, corner, CORNER-NO-BRAKES!!" *SLAM* Especially when you go from driving one car that handles one way, then immediately taking a wholly different car that handles completely differently. And the faster they are, the more jittery I get... Usually anything 7:30 or below, and I'm "Holy GOD that's fast!! MOMMY!!" *zoom* You know?

 

[~Sp33~]

haha, got ya 👍

 

[niky]

OMG... I just re-read everything... I thought you said sub-SEVEN!!!!

Color me stupid...

yah, that's pretty fast... so I guess arcade is pretty authentic to GT-Sim...

 

[Jedi2016]

OMG... I just re-read everything... I thought you said sub-SEVEN!!!!

Color me stupid...

yah, that's pretty fast... so I guess arcade is pretty authentic to GT-Sim...

That's what I thought...LOL. I was thinking "What does he think I said?.. he's faster than me, but he makes it sound like I'm faster...."

I can only do sub-sevens in race cars. The really quick ones like the Audi TT Tourer.. that thing drives like it's on frikkin' rails. I can take huge stretches of the 'Ring at full-throttle, zipping through four or five corners in a row that I have to slow down for in any other car, it's incredible.

 

[niky]

LOL. I'm currently doing the ring in the Escudo... it's slower than it should be, given the amount of power, but it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys. And it drives more like a road car than a race car, as the aerodynamics and AWD are just no match for the damn power this thing puts out.

 

[GT-Kongen]

I missed this tread. Posted this in another
I did some testing in A and B-spec mode. Here are the results

Nurburgring, fully modded road cars RSS tires
A-spec B-spec
Nissan R390 GT1 Road car '98 868HP/1038KG *5'29.566* *5'59.998*
TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 1136HP/1020KG *5'48.528* *6'02.399*
Tommy Kaira ZZII '00 913HP/1000KG *5'48.858* *6'06.838*
Cadillac Cien ´02 1023HP/1232KG *5'51.472* *6'27.532*
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec Nur '02 877HP/1311KG *5'51.501* *6'23.458*


La Sarthe I, fully modded road cars SM tires
B-spec
Nissan R390 GT1 Road car '98 868HP/1038KG *3'39.644*
Cadillac Cien ´02 1023HP/1232KG *3'47.225*
Ford GT '05 838HP/1276KG *3'49.095*
Tommy Kaira ZZII '00 913HP/1000KG *3'51.670*
TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 1136HP/1020KG *3'52.187*
Honda NSX-R LM Road car 1005HP/1230KG *3'55.855*
Pagani Zonda C12S 7,3 '02 1033HP/1212KG *3'56.785*

B-spec testing was done on medium pace 3 and B-spec skill 9916
R390 is of course the fastest.
B-spec driver is pretty slow with the Cien and Skyline on Nurburgring but pretty good with TVR Cerbera speed 12 and Tommy Kaira. Funny thing is that he´s faster with the Cien on La Sarthe I, than he is with the Cerbera and Tommy Kaira. Could be that he doesnt like SM tires with the Cerbera and Tommy Kaira, but he likes the Ford GT on La Sarthe I.
When you think of power/weight the Skyline is amazingly fast in A-spec.

 

[scoobyonline200]

I remember a few years back i saw a commercial that said it tested at the nurburgring....but it was waaaaay long ago... like 7 years or something. anywho yea the BMW M series feels fast at the ring. Especially at the twisty parts before the long straight.

 

[mouser]

I remember a few years back i saw a commercial that said it tested at the nurburgring....but it was waaaaay long ago... like 7 years or something. anywho yea the BMW M series feels fast at the ring. Especially at the twisty parts before the long straight.

In real life, almost every video I see of Nurburgring has an M5 in it, which shows it's good on the track in real life, and in GT4.

 

[Dave A]

The M5's used as the ring taxi it's there doing loads of laps every day, now they use the new M5.

 

[~Sp33~]

Plus the fact that the M5 is one of the most popular sports sedan in germany. They have em as police cars there O_O.

 

[JTSnooks]

Other cars tested at the 'Ring include the Cadillac CTS-V and STS-V, not to mention the Corvette C6. There are plenty others (Porsche tests all their cars there), those are just a few that were tested extensively on the 'Ring, especially the CTS-V.

And the Viper SRT-10 will run under 6 minutes easily on R5 tires on the 'Ring, fully modded of course. It should be included in any discussion of the fastest road cars in GT4 as it's right about even with the Zonda fully modded (since the Zonda can't have a wing)

 

[Kent]

Nurburgring, fully modded road cars RSS tires
A-spec B-spec
Nissan R390 GT1 Road car '98 868HP/1038KG *5'29.566* *5'59.998*
TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 1136HP/1020KG *5'48.528* *6'02.399*
Tommy Kaira ZZII '00 913HP/1000KG *5'48.858* *6'06.838*
Cadillac Cien ´02 1023HP/1232KG *5'51.472* *6'27.532*
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec Nur '02 877HP/1311KG *5'51.501* *6'23.458*

You're fast. 👍

I'm impressed by that GT-R M-spec time.
Pretty sure of it but I don't think I can keep up with those sorts of times.

Anyway,
Because you have that speed advantage over me I suggest you go test what I just tested.

The Jaguar XJ220 '92.
Fast, fast, fast.
Easily under 6 minutes at the ring.

945hp/1330kg
After market spoiler compatible.

Fun car to take out for a spin even with the relatively hefty weight.
PWR came out to be around 1.4.

If you get the chance to try it let all of us know about it.

 

[GT-Kongen]

You're fast. 👍

I'm impressed by that GT-R M-spec time.
Pretty sure of it but I don't think I can keep up with those sorts of times.

Anyway,
Because you have that speed advantage over me I suggest you go test what I just tested.

The Jaguar XJ220 '92.
Fast, fast, fast.
Easily under 6 minutes at the ring.

945hp/1330kg
After market spoiler compatible.

Fun car to take out for a spin even with the relatively hefty weight.
PWR came out to be around 1.4.

If you get the chance to try it let all of us know about it.

I will try it out. I was also impressed by the Skylines speed. Must be the 4 wheel steering system that makes the car corner that fast. Be sure to leave VCD controller out then its all RWD; 4WD only kicks in when its lacking traction - doesnt happen with R5.

 

[niky]

I will try it out. I was also impressed by the Skylines speed. Must be the 4 wheel steering system that makes the car corner that fast. Be sure to leave VCD controller out then its all RWD; 4WD only kicks in when its lacking traction - doesnt happen with R5.

I was wondering about that. The Skylines in GT4 don't understeer as much as in GT3, but I was under the impression that the ATTESSA still wasn't functional. I'll try them again and check. But they are wonderful cars around the ring.

 

[Kent]

I will try it out. I was also impressed by the Skylines speed. Must be the 4 wheel steering system that makes the car corner that fast. Be sure to leave VCD controller out then its all RWD; 4WD only kicks in when its lacking traction - doesnt happen with R5.

Indeed, I am well aware of the skyline's drivetrain system and its VCD compatibility.

What I've really been thinking about over the last few days (as I read this thread) is "what is a road car?"

I've been around the gtp long enough to understand the concepts involved... That's also the reason I know this seemingly simple question is actually a really hard one to answer.

Is any car really a road car after having a full weight reduction (stage 3)?
Do tuning cars like the Amuse Carbon-R or GT1 qualify as street cars?

Where do we draw the line between road and race?

I have a good idea of how to do it...
Stock tire selection
Racing decals
Weight modification
Equipped parts

There are tons of ways to evaluate this sort of situation but I wanted to hear your take on it (the collective "you," not one of you specifically).

Anyway,
Till I get back around to playing the game and doing some testing...
Later.

btw, I just wanted to say...
The skylines in GT3 did not have understeer problems!!!
Don't believe me?

Week 95 WRS​

The Race!
The Results!​

Go there, read, learn. 👍
Arcade skyline at cote... Oversteer was the problem.

 

[niky]

Well... I did say... "not as much"... but Cote d' Azure is one place I wouldn't expect them to... What I mean is when I tried out the R34s in GT4, they didn't seem to "push" as much as in GT3 in medium corners... but it might be a trick of memory, because GT3 had more realistic understeer than GT2.

 

[Kent]

Well... I did say... "not as much"... but Cote d' Azure is one place I wouldn't expect them to... What I mean is when I tried out the R34s in GT4, they didn't seem to "push" as much as in GT3 in medium corners... but it might be a trick of memory, because GT3 had more realistic understeer than GT2.

It's all good.

I'm actually kind of an arse from time to time and when I saw your comments I jumped at them rather than just sitting back and waiting... Hope I wasn't too rude.

The general idea of my comment was not stated very well, in fact, not at all.

PD has always and will always have a great deal of respect for the nissan skyline.

Compared to many cars with similar stats the GT-R is super fast and handles nearly as well as many competitors.

A great example of PD's un-said respect for the skyline is in the way GT3 handled the torque of the skyline engine.

Look into the WRS archive I linked to and find Week 85.
Oh shoot, here...
The Race
The Results

Check that out and pay close attention to the talk of shift points...
As many people know, the skylines of GT3 were unique in-that, if you shifted at redline the car was actually slower than shifting well below redline.
And when I say "well below" I mean by 1000 rpms or more!

Not sure if that's the case in GT4... Only time will tell.

Btw, I've gotta say it one more time- The skyline really is suprisingly fast with all things considered.

 

[Dave A]

You're not harsh, just to the point.

I didn't know the Skylines in GT3 were faster shfting under the red line by that much.

 

[niky]

That's something to try out, too... Am currently inflating my GT4 bank account to buy a couple of the tuner Skylines and all of the "supercars" in the game (Have enough, but buying everything will break me). It will be fun to try everything out and see which is the fastest... or the best... hope my thumbs hold out.