The fastest ROAD car in GT4!

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LOL... I once had to quit for two days because of the damn cramps... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I conducted a simple highspeed test to see wich car that actually was the fastest. These were my criteria: Roadcars only, no tuners, racecars or rallycars, i.e. only roadlegal cars with no tuning except oilchange. Sports medium tires. Some cars, like the Cien and the ZZII do have fully customizable suspension and gears, so these cars are somewhat setup by me. Here are the resultlist from the test:

Place Car kmh/mph
1 Cadillac Cien `02 377.30/234.45
2 TVR Cerbera Speed 12 `00 371.88/231.08
3 VW W12 Nardo `01 368.54/229.01
4 Ford GT `05 356.08/221.26
5 Saleen S7 `02 355.64/220.99
6 Audi LeMans Quattro `03 353.58/219.71
7 Mercedes SLR McLaren `03 349.91/217.43
8 Tommy Kaira ZZII `00 349.32/217.06
9 Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 `02 345.95/214.97
10 Cizeta V16T `94 341.38/212.13

I´m quite sure that this list would look very different if conducted on a racecourse though...
 
Nice results there 👍

Id just like people to note on a different subject, how surprisingly fast the Nissan Primera is, the one you get in the second hand hall early 90s i think. you can get 326Ps outa it and it handles realy well with race suspesion added. What a great find i think :P
 
This is the Fastest Cleanest Meanest Exotic in the Game ;

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& don't give me 🤬 about the gearing USE Creditos & Ingenuity = smooth as a baby's bottom.
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The fastest in a straight line would probably be a highly modified supra or speed 12, around a race track the R390 road car would probably win.
 
P.S Also , yes , the speed 12 with wing is fast , beautifull & stable . The LeMans accelerates .NOTE : The Cien is more than a concept in the Game :mad:​
 
Kent
...There are tons of ways to evaluate this sort of situation but I wanted to hear your take on it...
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Too many factors and criteria to do it any way but this: Let the game decide. If the car is allowed into the Supercar Festival, it qualifies. If it doesn't, scratch it off the list of candidates.

Then its a matter of how we define "fast": Top speed or lap time?

If its top speed, determine whether or not NOS and the wheelie trick is allowed.

If its lap time, determine the track (Midfield is always good for that), and the tires (which should be Sport Soft, of course, because that's the best the Supercar Festival will allow).
 
Zardoz
Too many factors and criteria to do it any way but this: Let the game decide. If the car is allowed into the Supercar Festival, it qualifies. If it doesn't, scratch it off the list of candidates.

Then its a matter of how we define "fast": Top speed or lap time?

If its top speed, determine whether or not NOS and the wheelie trick is allowed.

If its lap time, determine the track (Midfield is always good for that), and the tires (which should be Sport Soft, of course, because that's the best the Supercar Festival will allow).
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Well...
First off, lap times are all that matter to me in "fastest car." :D

Now, regarding the "what's a street car" etc etc...

I wouldn't go with the view you just expressed.
There are so many spots in this game where the cars allowed into a series are not always what they should be.

Look at the Hot Euro Hatchback league... Isn't BMW M coupe a hatchback from europe? :lol:

Also, beyond that, this is really about "fastest road car" and not specifically "fastest production car."
"Production car" adds a new element where cars like the ZZII, Cien, Viper GTS-R concept, Nardo, and Le Mans Quattro would all be left out. :(

Just off the top of my head, I think one of the key factors in "street vs race" is the idea of availible modifications.

Notice that race cars have almost nothing to modify other than power?
On the other hand, street cars can be modified in just about every way possible... Weight Reductions are a good example of this.

Of course I know that race cars are just street cars that have been fully modified and that's why there are no more modifications to make... However, that's the very point I'm trying to get at.

Distinguishing between Race and Street can be awefully difficult when you take into account something like an M3 GTR.
Slap a spoiler on and fully modify the thing and you will end up with a gray version of the race car. :dopey:

So, like I said, I really do think it's difficult to judge what is street and what is race.

Basically, discretion is the key! 👍

Take each car as an individual and evaluate each car without blanket statements or technical rules.

After doing that I think we all get a better idea of whether or not "this" car is a street car or what.

Like the Amuse Tuners...
The Carbon-R and S2000 GT1 are both race cars as far as I am concerned.

The carbon has no weight reductions availible and in stock form weighs in at 1123kg (which is well below the average street skyline and any of the other tuners).

The GT1 has no weight reductions that can be purchased... The exhuast is "stock" with the "racing" exhaust, even the brakes are "racing" level when in stock form.

However, both of those cars are considered tuner cars and both come stock with sports soft tires- not racing tires!

So, are they street cars or racing cars? :sly:
 
The fastest Road Car, STOCK, Bar none, is the LM NSX Road Car, followed by the R390 Road version. the R390 is the Easier of the two to drive, but with finesse, the NSX will tear it apart.
 
Kent
So, are they street cars or racing cars? :sly:
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I agree with you, lap times are ALL that matter. So many supercar makers focus on claiming the best top speed, but handling is what makes a supercar really super.

The Amuse Carbon R, I think, can NOT be considered a "road" car, as, with lights, it's not road-legal.

The Mine's Skyline, though... I think, deserves the term 'supercar'. I'm not sure it's emissions legal, but I'm betting with just a tiny bit of de-tuning, it'd be at least 49-state legal. It's a true road car.

Also of note in this comparison is the rubber used, the Amuse and Mine's are both on soft sport tires... but then, this still qualifies them as 'road cars', as 'sport tires' are technically street-legal.

Even the Speed 12 is basically a race car, not a street car. There is only one registered for road use, but it qualifies as a road car. The Cien and the W12, though... that's hard to quantify, as the Cien never went beyond the cardboard interior stage...
 
sunnybwoy
The fastest Road Car, STOCK, Bar none, is the LM NSX Road Car, followed by the R390 Road version. the R390 is the Easier of the two to drive, but with finesse, the NSX will tear it apart.
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Heard that. 👍 :lol:
You may very well be right about that though.
The NSX LM road is amazing.

niky
I agree with you, lap times are ALL that matter. So many supercar makers focus on claiming the best top speed, but handling is what makes a supercar really super.

The Amuse Carbon R, I think, can NOT be considered a "road" car, as, with lights, it's not road-legal.

The Mine's Skyline, though... I think, deserves the term 'supercar'. I'm not sure it's emissions legal, but I'm betting with just a tiny bit of de-tuning, it'd be at least 49-state legal. It's a true road car.

Also of note in this comparison is the rubber used, the Amuse and Mine's are both on soft sport tires... but then, this still qualifies them as 'road cars', as 'sport tires' are technically street-legal.

Even the Speed 12 is basically a race car, not a street car. There is only one registered for road use, but it qualifies as a road car. The Cien and the W12, though... that's hard to quantify, as the Cien never went beyond the cardboard interior stage...
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Seems like you are very interested in the ideas of "street" and in that I believe we see eye-to-eye regarding the use of street tires on cars that are obviously racers.

Also, for that matter, we should chase this back to the topic of "Fastest Road Car." ;)
Think about it... All these awesome cars that straddle the line between street and race. What happens when we go to test the fully modified versions? :odd:
We end up using race cars to test what the fastest street car is! :lol:
I love it though!

Sorry if this seems off topic but I'm trying to dance around the different aspects of this thread's subject without being too cut and dry.
Testing for fastest road car is not something one of us can do alone.
Combining all of our efforts to test the various degrees of tuned cars, stock cars, and fully modified cars would be the best way to fully understand the street cars of GT4.

Each level of tuning is going to change the car and its characteristics.
I would like to learn as much as possible about that when trying to decide which car is the fastest. :D

On that note... I've been testing "stage 1" cars.
Not the games "stage 1," but my stage 1. :mischievous:
Usually I go with minimal power enhancers, low level suspension, drivetrain, a spoiler, and the proper weight reduction to get into the 1200kg area. :sly:
Fun cars to drive when you do that to a supra or a skyline. :dopey:
Makes me wonder how a R390 would hold up against it. :rolleyes: :lol:
I'm gonna go have some of this "fun" and see what happens.

Talk to you all later with my results.
Till then,
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Sounds like you're having fun. This thread inspired me to start a supercar comparo... I'm going showroom stock, which means I had to sell a fair bit of my garage and do a lot of races to pump my cash for it... I'm including EVERYTHING that comes with "sport" tires (IMHO, if it's showroom stock with RMs, that's not a street car :lol:) and is over 200,000 Cr. That includes tuners.

Agreed, we should all post results in this thread. My angle is street stock, no aids, on Autumn Ring (for handling), then going out to "road" circuits like SECA, Infineon, maybe the 'Ring... damn... have a dozen cars to test and not enough time! :lol:
 
Ive been testing for a while now and cant decide on the 2 cars as a whole which is better fully tuned......an M5 or the prolific SLR mclaren..The Merc soils the M5 at accelaration and braking but the Beemer is Faster hitting 243mph with NOs and without any configarations to the settings etc.The BM also has a 7 transmission gearbox...that sounds perfect to the real thang.Give us your verdicts on this.
 
Stock to Stock, I like the M5 better, as it's a more involving drive, but the SLR is definitely faster. The M5 feels like it has a better handling balance, though.
 
niky
Sounds like you're having fun. This thread inspired me to start a supercar comparo... I'm going showroom stock, which means I had to sell a fair bit of my garage and do a lot of races to pump my cash for it... I'm including EVERYTHING that comes with "sport" tires (IMHO, if it's showroom stock with RMs, that's not a street car :lol:) and is over 200,000 Cr. That includes tuners.

Agreed, we should all post results in this thread. My angle is street stock, no aids, on Autumn Ring (for handling), then going out to "road" circuits like SECA, Infineon, maybe the 'Ring... damn... have a dozen cars to test and not enough time! :lol:
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The Mine's Skyline should be the best
 
amp88
The Mine's Skyline should be the best
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HEY, HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING AT MY DAMN NOTES?!?!?! :ouch:

How did you know? :dopey:

Am posting the times in a bit. Am still lacking a time for the Cizeta and the Vanquish... although the Vanquish will probably not be competitive, while the Cizeta, from all accounts, doesn't have enough steering in it to get around this track.

Slowest supercar time so far? Speed 12: 1:24.221, no TCS, the ONLY time I've ever had to use the Joystick to throttle. It's true what they say about the real thing... anything over 1/4 throttle from a standing start or out of a corner just burns rubber.
 
niky
HEY, HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING AT MY DAMN NOTES?!?!?! :ouch:

How did you know? :dopey:

Am posting the times in a bit. Am still lacking a time for the Cizeta and the Vanquish... although the Vanquish will probably not be competitive, while the Cizeta, from all accounts, doesn't have enough steering in it to get around this track.

Slowest supercar time so far? Speed 12: 1:24.221, no TCS, the ONLY time I've ever had to use the Joystick to throttle. It's true what they say about the real thing... anything over 1/4 throttle from a standing start or out of a corner just burns rubber.
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The Mine's Skyline is one of my favourite cars in the game. The performance when 'standard' is very impressive. I can do 7 minute laps at the Nurburgring in it (and I'm only an average driver), and in real life it laps at Tsukuba in 57.x seconds
 
Damn. The only vids I've seen of the Mine's Skyline are full of testers going "holy ****** this is too ****in fast!".

That's the way it feels here, but unlike some of the other cars with too much power, all that fury actually does end up in acceleration.
 
lol i know which video you're talking about.... on topic yeah the mines skyline is a beast, prolly the scariest tuner car ever. :nervous:
 
niky
HEY, HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING AT MY DAMN NOTES?!?!?! :ouch:

How did you know? :dopey:

Am posting the times in a bit. Am still lacking a time for the Cizeta and the Vanquish... although the Vanquish will probably not be competitive, while the Cizeta, from all accounts, doesn't have enough steering in it to get around this track.

Slowest supercar time so far? Speed 12: 1:24.221, no TCS, the ONLY time I've ever had to use the Joystick to throttle. It's true what they say about the real thing... anything over 1/4 throttle from a standing start or out of a corner just burns rubber.
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I'll give you a better time than that stock with no TCS. Also, where do they say anything over 1/4 throttle out of a corner just burns rubber? John Barker doesn't think so and neither does Greenwood or Mr G. Sure it spins it's wheels if you floor it off the line, but if you try to put the throttle down fast off the line you'll break the diff, so no ones tried much power. What Barker did is engaged first gear at idle, then move off in the Speed 12, it's running a race cars diff thats set for rolling starts. As for out of corners, I can see that being true in a first gear corner, maybe second, but on a track which is the only place you should be using that much throttle in this anyway, most corners can usually be taken in third or fourth. It has been driven hard and the pedal has been put right down, I think in GT4 the car spins the wheels unconvincingly, I still love it though.
 
Bone stock (no modifications whatsoever; no driving aids) the fastest car I've tested goes to Pagani Zonda.
 
live4speed
I'll give you a better time than that stock with no TCS. Also, where do they say anything over 1/4 throttle out of a corner just burns rubber? John Barker doesn't think so and neither does Greenwood or Mr G. Sure it spins it's wheels if you floor it off the line, but if you try to put the throttle down fast off the line you'll break the diff, so no ones tried much power. What Barker did is engaged first gear at idle, then move off in the Speed 12, it's running a race cars diff thats set for rolling starts. As for out of corners, I can see that being true in a first gear corner, maybe second, but on a track which is the only place you should be using that much throttle in this anyway, most corners can usually be taken in third or fourth. It has been driven hard and the pedal has been put right down, I think in GT4 the car spins the wheels unconvincingly, I still love it though.
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EVO had a go at it before. Remember, that's from the view of a NON-race driver. They said you couldn't really nail the throttle on cold tires, and on street tires, it was damn scary. They had a test of the only road-registered Speed 12 in existence, not one of the racecars. If you couldn't get the power down at all in the racing version, I doubt they would have even bothered fielding them... :(

Go ahead and try, I'd be happy to see you do it (seriously, I just suck in this car). My problem is I've only got the DS2, so throttle control between 1/4 - 1/2- 3/4 is harder than with the DFP pedals. I've had to record that time with the right analog stick, which isn't my best driving, but it's the only way for me to do it.

On race rubber, no problem maybe, but on Sports Medium tires, on AUTUMN RING, it's just out of its element. Like most race cars, it's got a huge turning circle, and it's got moderate understeer... no problem if you can get the power down, but AR's turns are mostly tight 1st-2nd gear turns, and 3rd produces wheelspin (still!) at more than 3/4 throttle. It's entertaining driving it down the main straight at 3/4 throttle... I'm not saying I can't do a clean lap at all, just that the amount of effort, and the lap times versus the power-to-weight ratio just don't cut it. On another course, I could probably kill with this car, but not here.

2nd gear - "think it can take it yet?"... BRAAAP... *screech* "...nope..."
3rd gear - "think it can take it yet?" ...BRAAAP... *screech* "...guess not..."
4th gear - "try one more time..." ...BRAAP... "that's it!"
 
TVR SPEED 12!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell yea! :)👍 This is by far the best, even with the worst tyres, longest gear ratios and no traction control, it can go to 320mph+ with drafting and nos easily! 👍, oh, and it schreeches tyres all the way to gear six!!!
 
But could anyone tame the thing long enough to reach those speeds ? Its one of those cars best left for the experts ( and crashtest dummies)
 
That's the main problem of the Speed 12. It's got too much power. People say it's no big deal when you use TCS, but I feel it's like the BMW-Williams in F1, it puts so much power down that the TCS is on too long, thus blunting available acceleration in cornering. In racing trim, maybe, this is no problem, but if you're in road trim (on any S or N tires), it's pretty bad.

It's fairly driveable with a DFP or if you use the right analog stick to throttle, but I feel it takes too much of your concentration away from the racing.

Code: 
Car	Autumn Ring Time (seconds)

Mine's	78.087
VW W12  78.129
Cien    78.473
FordGT  78.648
Zonda   78.684
MB SLR  78.797
ZZII    79.327
Audi    80.006
R390    80.034
Saleen  80.060
CarbonR 80.297
BMW M5  80.884
XJ220   81.117
Spyker  82.629
Viper   82.670
Cizeta  83.785
RUFCTR2 83.975
Speed12 84.221
I finally finished my Autumn Ring Track Attack. Other people might get better times, but these are fairly representative of how these cars compare to each other. Everything showroom stock except for an oil change. Tuner cars (Amuse, Mine's, RUF) keep their S3s, everything else is on S2s... I think the tires made the difference for the Mine's, but as the Amuse isn't even close, that's only part of the story.

For reference, the Corvette and Tuscan on S2s get about 83 seconds, while tuned road cars on S3s are getting 83 down to 81 seconds.
 
Nice times! Have you tried it with other supercars? Would be interesting to see what other street cars can get close to that.

But Road Car means Road Tires, S&N. Though I don't doubt the Zonda would kill almost any other fully modded supercar on S tires, I think the R390 might give it a run for the money.
 
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