The five cars that you DO NOT want in GT6.

[analog]

The main purpose this anti-wishlist has is to prove GT6 doesn't need variety and diversity I suppose.
All the usual suspects like the Kubel/Schwimmwagen, Samba, Tank Car are mentioned a lot even though they (love or loathe them) offer something no other car in GT5 offers (which in itself is a reason to applaud them).
Do people even give these cars a chance or is it just repeating what's popular?

Businesswise it's probably a very poor decision to already include these oddball VeeDubs in the limited Premium selection (in GT6 I imagine they're just more easy to be ignored if you like) when a Premium Veyron or similar would be unquestionably more popular (which they undoubtedly knew).
But perhaps this bold move therefor needs to be admired rather than dismissed if you indeed want GT6 to include a lot of different cars (even if you don't necessarily like these particular cars).

As for the cars themselves and before passing judgement (to those requesting them to be removed which thankfully isn't going to happen), did you try to tune and properly set up (especially the gearbox) a Kubel/Schwimmwagen and try them offroad (that's where they probably should be used)? They're actually a hoot to drive (and sound very nice too) if you regard them as buggies and they prove you can have fun without doing high speeds.
The same goes for the Samba (and DLC Beetle), tune them and use a proper set up (and absolutely no racing tyres) and you'll be pleasantly surprised what they can offer using a different mindset and a slightly driving style.

The Tank Car probably mostly suffers from an image problem relating to it being the preferred choice of rammers apparantly (never encountered them fortunately) even though I had some very nice, clean and fair (and fun) Tank Car races online with people understanding how it should be driven (not like any other car, more like a truck or bus).

Not saying everyone should like these cars obviously, just strikes me as odd that the ones which are genuinely different are the first (or most) mentioned to be removed whilst some soulless 'cut from the same cloth' supercars which don't offer a significantly different experience than the ones which already are included are the most requested.

The Cizeta is the closest car in GT5 to a Lamborghini Diablo, for which what became the Cizeta was a design for. After it was turned town by Lambo the designer decided to use it for his own supercar and hey presto, the Cizeta V16 was born!

So yes it is relevant...

Actually both were designed by Marcello Gandini (who amongst many other cars also did the original Countach) and he was an independant designer at the time.
After Lamborghini was bought by Chrysler, Chrysler decided to change the Diablo design already signed off by Gandini, making it more rounded or softer and less edgy as he originally intended.
That wasn't exactly to his liking and he sold what's rumoured to be the exact same design to Cizeta, maybe only slightly altered so yes, maybe the Cizeta shows what Gandini wanted the Diablo to look like but we'll never know for sure I guess.

 

[finnracer]

Erm... there's an actual Diablo in the game...

Yep, but its a JGTC version so stripped out, tuned and changed to the point where it drives very differently to the standard car. Visually it is almost the same shape and shares headlights and grilles, but that it. Based on that I'd say the Cizeta looks more like the road version although it is debatable.

Also excellent post Analog 👍

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

1. Most of the Mazda MX-5 Miatas should be kicked out, there's basically 3 regional variants of the same miatas in GT5. Keep only 1 region of miatas for the next GT game.
2. Get rid of some skylines.
3. Red Bull x1s, they're overpowered in GT5 and some people in the online GT lobbies use them to ram others. Either that or have them banned from online racing in GT6.
4. Some hondas, same reason as the MX-5s. We don't need 3 variants of the honda S200. Just keep one regional type of each honda and get rid of the rest.

I personally don't think the Chapparel 2J and bugatti veyron should be removed since they're great cars.

 

[dylansan]

I cannot begin to grasp the logic behind this thread.

Why on Earth would anyone want less cars in the game?

I mean, I can see in cases like the Miata where there are regional variants that are completely redundant, but why get rid of a car for the sole reason that you don't like it?

If it's because you think it will save space or time, you're making a pretty large assumption that PD actually has other cars licensed to fill in that time and space that they wouldn't be able to fit without removing others. If you think there's too many of one car, like the Skylines for example, then the obvious solution is to add other, different cars, not remove what's already there.

 

[300SRT8Fan]

1st.samba bus
2nd.veyron
3rd.schwimmwagen
4th.yellowbird
5th.prius

NO, NOt the Samba Bus!!

 

[Samus]

I cannot begin to grasp the logic behind this thread.

Why on Earth would anyone want less cars in the game?

I mean, I can see in cases like the Miata where there are regional variants that are completely redundant, but why get rid of a car for the sole reason that you don't like it?

If it's because you think it will save space or time, you're making a pretty large assumption that PD actually has other cars licensed to fill in that time and space that they wouldn't be able to fit without removing others. If you think there's too many of one car, like the Skylines for example, then the obvious solution is to add other, different cars, not remove what's already there.

Because this:

1. All of the cars at some point need to be all premium, hopefully in GT6. We can't have PS2 cars in 2020.
2. For the standard cars to be made premium PD have to start from scratch. The PS2 models can't be 'upgraded' because of how they were originally made.

So given PDs limited resources I would rather that FIRST they concentrate on modelling 100%, new and unique cars or making premium versions of the unique standards. Only once they have a good number of those would I mind them going back to modelling some of the standard duplicates or near duplicates.

Now you might say that because the duplicates are all very similar once they've modeled one premium version it wouldn't take as long to tweak that into a dupe as it would to create a new model from scratch. That's true but it would still take time and you know what PD are like, they'd spend hours modelling the slightly different interior to perfection and tweaking all of the slight physical differences. It wouldn't be a five minute job.

I would much rather they focus on unique cars first, even if it means less cars overall. I would rather have 450 unique premium cars than 350 unique cars and another 250 not so unique cars for a bigger overall total.

 

[JMoney]

I want the Cizeta to be replace with a roadgoing Diablo. It's just like replacing Rufs with Porsches.

 

[analog]

I want the Cizeta to be replace with a roadgoing Diablo. It's just like replacing Rufs with Porsches.

No it isn't, Rufs are based on Porsches, the Cizeta hasn't got anything to do with a Diablo other than being designed by the same person.

 

[Samus]

Plus replacing RUFs with Porsche is stupid, they're different cars.

 

[TokoTurismo]

No it isn't, Rufs are based on Porsches, the Cizeta hasn't got anything to do with a Diablo other than being designed by the same person.

I didn't know about that, but glad to know. Not that I wanted it gone anyways.

Plus replacing RUFs with Porsche is stupid, they're different cars.

I must say, I do agree with this. Mind as well add new (PREMIUM) RUFs in the game. Why will PD not add any new ones, its better to get them other than to waste time getting the sub license from EA which they'll charge them or Sony lots of money just to get...

 

[Tornado]

I want the Cizeta to be replace with a roadgoing Diablo. It's just like replacing Rufs with Porsches.

You're right. Replacing one car with a car that is completely different is just like replacing a bunch of other cars with cars that are completely different.


Other than looking similar, though, I'm not understand why they should do it though. What is the benefit to removing unique cars to replace them with other unique cars?

 

[jtqmopar]

Ford GT (no stripe) '05
-Just call it the Ford GT, the stripe(s) make no difference with the exception of appearance. It doesn't need a different name

 

[Thenextbob]

Ford GT (no stripe) '05
-Just call it the Ford GT, the stripe(s) make no difference with the exception of appearance. It doesn't need a different name

The GT no stripe makes a Giant difference The no stripes has a better acceleration than others

 

[jtqmopar]

The GT no stripe makes a Giant difference The no stripes has a better acceleration than others

Don't forget the downforce from 0.05cm more height on the hood!
It was most likely to get the car count up, though

 

[dr_slump]

Ford GT (no stripe) '05
-Just call it the Ford GT, the stripe(s) make no difference with the exception of appearance. It doesn't need a different name

Don't forget the downforce from 0.05cm more height on the hood!
It was most likely to get the car count up, though

👎

You don't know what you're talking about. The normal GT 05 and the GT Nostripe 05 are very different. It's a fact, not an opinion or imagination.

The Nostripe outperforms the striped one in all aspects.

 

[CJDA9]

Hmm lets see....
.motorcycles
.motorcycles
.motorcycles
.motorcycles
.motorcycles

To the OP

.any redbull x1 car
.the kubelwagen
.schwimmwagen
.veyron (Even though they would never take those out of the game.)
.Chevrolet SSR ( It's just ugly )

 

[jtqmopar]

👎

You don't know what you're talking about. The normal GT 05 and the GT Nostripe 05 are very different. It's a fact, not an opinion or imagination.

The Nostripe outperforms the striped one in all aspects.

You're right, but I just looked into it. Supposedly, it is ported directly from GT4 w/o physics upgrades/ updates. That is what makes it faster. That, or the PP advantage that it is said to have for whatever reason.

 

[1241Penguin]

👎

You don't know what you're talking about. The normal GT 05 and the GT Nostripe 05 are very different. It's a fact, not an opinion or imagination.

The Nostripe outperforms the striped one in all aspects.

Do you know what you're talking about? Just because they're different in-game doesn't mean there's a difference in real life. In fact, there is no "No Stripe" model in real life.

The only reason it outperforms is because PD modelled the No Stripe incorrectly, as they did with most other Standard cars. So unless you want PD to continue making inaccuracies with their cars, then by all means go ahead and want it in it's current form.

 

[dr_slump]

Do you know what you're talking about? Just because they're different in-game doesn't mean there's a difference in real life. In fact, there is no "No Stripe" model in real life.

The only reason it outperforms is because PD modelled the No Stripe incorrectly, as they did with most other Standard cars. So unless you want PD to continue making inaccuracies with their cars, then by all means go ahead and want it in it's current form.

Do you actually know that this is a forum about Gran Turismo (a videogame O_O) and not real life racing? Doesn't seem so.

And btw, if you paint a striped GT so that it loses the stripes, then it's a nostripe in real too. You see the brackets in the game? Yes? Why did they use brackets.....why?


Oh and what makes you so sure that the nostripe is modelled incorrectly and not the striped one? I have no GT 05 in real and can't tell, but maybe you know more?

 

[1241Penguin]

Do you actually know that this is a forum about Gran Turismo (a videogame O_O) and not real life racing? Doesn't seem so.

I think I realize this is the GT6 forum. Plus, what difference does it make? The Ford GTs should not be different from each other, as there aren't any updated models (at least that I'm aware of), so there shouldn't be any handling discrepancies, especially when the difference is only colour wise.

And btw, if you paint a striped GT so that it loses the stripes, then it's a nostripe in real too. You see the brackets in the game? Yes? Why did they use brackets.....why?

A model. Get it? Using your logic, you may as well have a version of each car in each of the colours they come in. Much in the same way there's a Skyline MPII, and MPIII in GT5, even though these cars are not even sold as their own models IRL.

Oh and what makes you so sure that the nostripe is modelled incorrectly and not the striped one? I have no GT 05 in real and can't tell, but maybe you know more?

The fact that it was ported directly (more or less) from GT4? Which is supposed to be as unrealistic as GT5? So it's only logical that cars made for GT5 would be more real to life than any cars made for GT4 and before?

 

[dr_slump]

A model. Get it? Using your logic, you may as well have a version of each car in each of the colours they come in. Much in the same way there's a Skyline MPII, and MPIII in GT5, even though these cars are not even sold as their own models IRL.

Did I say painted by the manufacturer? Maybe somebody bought a striped 05 and then repainted it in another colour without stripes. Doesn't make an official new model out of it. Now replace somebody with the PD team and..... we have a winner.

Of course, the different performance is unexplainable, but let's concentrate on the paint thing first.

The fact that it was ported directly (more or less) from GT4? Which is supposed to be as unrealistic as GT5? So it's only logical that cars made for GT5 would be more real to life than any cars made for GT4 and before?

The striped one wasn't ported?

 

[cbastjan7]

2j race car is definitely on my list, it would be great to see more different cars for the time trials, and not the same car for 540-600pp all the time:tup:
Cbastjan

 

[1241Penguin]

Did I say painted by the manufacturer? Maybe somebody bought a striped 05 and then repainted it in another colour without stripes. Doesn't make an official new model out of it. Now replace somebody with the PD team and..... we have a winner.

Oh, so it's not a manufacture car then. In which case it shouldn't be placed alongside the Fords in-game. But then again I'm more inclined to listen to PD and let them tell us just who tuned this No Stripe GT (in this case no-one).

The striped one wasn't ported?

You never specified which one, so I shouldn't have assumed immediately you were talking about the Premium Ford GT. Granted, however, that still doesn't mean the Ford GTs should handle differently.

 

[dr_slump]

Oh, so it's not a manufacture car then. In which case it shouldn't be placed alongside the Fords in-game. But then again I'm more inclined to listen to PD and let them tell us just who tuned this No Stripe GT (in this case no-one).

You really want to tell me that if you repaint as example a Ford GT that it's no longer a Ford GT? I've seen many repainted cars in real, but all of them are still accepted as the same modell built by the same manufacturer. Duh.....

You never specified which one, so I shouldn't have assumed immediately you were talking about the Premium Ford GT. Granted, however, that still doesn't mean the Ford GTs should handle differently.

I always said Ford GT '05 (need some quotes? or are you kind enough to reread?), whereas the premium would be the '06. Are you trying to deflect? Forget the premium 06!

It's only about the Ford GT '05 and the non stripe version of it, the Ford GT (Nostripe) '05. Yes, both appear in GT5 as standard cars.

 

[1241Penguin]

You really want to tell me that if you repaint as example a Ford GT that it's no longer a Ford GT? I've seen many repainted cars in real, but all of them are still accepted as the same modell built by the same manufacturer. Duh.....

Why are you even talking about aftermarket cars? If it is a separate model, then it should either have its own in-game dealership, or be specified that it's a separate model.

Go ahead and Google "Ford GT No Stripe," the only results you'll get are from GT5. Any time else it's referring to some dude's Ford GT that doesn't have stripes. But it's still a Ford GT, so unmodified, it should be the same as any other Ford GT.

I alway said Ford GT '05, whereas the premium would be the '06. Are you trying to deflect? Forget the premium 06!

It's only about the Ford GT '05 and the non stripe version of it, the Ford GT (Nostripre) '05

Actually, I probably missed that. So my mistake on that part. However, my point still stands. They should not handle differently, so your reasoning behind why the No Stripe should stay a separate model is incorrect.

 

[dr_slump]

Why are you even talking about aftermarket cars? If it is a separate model, then it should either have its own in-game dealership, or be specified that it's a separate model.

What..... no, it's the same car, just with another paint and no stripes, which is marked as (Nostripe), simply because it has no stripes, which is a unique element, because you can't repaint the striped '05s in GT5, and that's the reason why they had to add the (Nostripe) so that people see it's something special, because it has no stripes. But it's an, with the exception of the paint, original, technically unchanged Ford GT '05 without stripes, but with somehow different ingame specific performance specs. Yes, unexplainable, but only possible in game and not real. And exactly this is probably causing this whole confusion here.

Go ahead and Google "Ford GT No Stripe," the only results you'll get are from GT5. Any time else it's referring to some dude's Ford GT that doesn't have stripes. But it's still a Ford GT, so unmodified, it should be the same as any other Ford GT.

Dude, I just said it's the same damn car, just repainted by PD, because they liked to. Now, let's say if you have a repainted car with a unique feature (in GT5 it is unique, cause you can't repaint the striped '05s), then you'd surely add this little information in brackets so that every potential buyer sees it. But like I said, a new paint doesn't make a new car, that's why it's still called Ford GT '05, just with the, surely only as information meant, (Nostripe) addition. It is definitely a Ford, definitely a GT, you can't argue about this.
You made the mistake to think it's selled pretty much in a Ford dealership by Ford, even if it's apparently NOT. We buy the standard cars in the UCD which is basically a free market. It is absolutely not incorrect to sell a repainted Ford GT 05 without stripes as Ford GT 05. Note that it is a used car dealership, and this means it's selled by privates (virtually) and not directly by a manufacturer.

Actually, I probably missed that. So my mistake on that part. However, my point still stands. They should not handle differently, so your reasoning behind why the No Stripe should stay a separate model is incorrect.

It is actually the same car, just with another paint and other stripes. If I'd own a striped Ford GT '05 and a repainted 05 without stripes, then I'd obviously sell the repainted one seperately with this certain information and not just "2 Ford GT '05s". You get my point?

Of course should they not handle differently, but they do out of whatever reason. It is like it is, we can't change it. Unexplainable and pretty much impossible in real, therefore this huge confusion caused through mixing up reality and virtuality. That's why I didn't want to start with real life stuff, but now it sadly already happened.


Huge post yes, hope it helped for better understanding at least a little.

 

[Samus]

It's rather simple, they're supposed to be the same car with a different paint job so they should both drive exactly the same. The fact they don't is an error on PDs part so the correct option for GT6 is to keep just one version with the correct performance and allow us to paint it however we like. There is absolutely no need for both cars to be in GT6, no need at all.

 

[dr_slump]

It's rather simple, they're supposed to be the same car with a different paint job so they should both drive exactly the same. The fact they don't is an error on PDs part so the correct option for GT6 is to keep just one version with the correct performance and allow us to paint it however we like. There is absolutely no need for both cars to be in GT6, no need at all.

Or they keep the models and simply make the ingame performance specs equal.

 

[Spagetti69]

Which one handles right? Or are both wrong?

Strange Game this GT5 malarky.

 

[1241Penguin]

What..... no, it's the same car, just with another paint and no stripes, which is marked as (Nostripe), simply because it has no stripes, which is a unique element, because you can't repaint the striped '05s in GT5, and that's the reason why they had to add the (Nostripe) so that people see it's something special, because it has no stripes. But it's an, with the exception of the paint, original, technically unchanged Ford GT '05 without stripes, but with somehow different ingame specific performance specs. Yes, unexplainable, but only possible in game and not real. And exactly this is probably causing this whole confusion here.

Funny, I don't remember reading any of this when you first tried explaining why it should be in the game.

Dude, I just said it's the same damn car, just repainted by PD, because they liked to. Now, let's say if you have a repainted car with a unique feature (in GT5 it is unique, cause you can't repaint the striped '05s), then you'd surely add this little information in brackets so that every potential buyer sees it. But like I said, a new paint doesn't make a new car, that's why it's still called Ford GT '05, just with the, surely only as information meant, (Nostripe) addition. It is definitely a Ford, definitely a GT, you can't argue about this.
You made the mistake to think it's selled pretty much in a Ford dealership by Ford, even if it's apparently NOT. We buy the standard cars in the UCD which is basically a free market. It is absolutely not incorrect to sell a repainted Ford GT 05 without stripes as Ford GT 05. Note that it is a used car dealership, and this means it's selled by privates (virtually) and not directly by a manufacturer.


It is actually the same car, just with another paint and other stripes. If I'd own a striped Ford GT '05 and a repainted 05 without stripes, then I'd obviously sell the repainted one seperately with this certain information and not just "2 Ford GT '05s". You get my point?

Of course should they not handle differently, but they do out of whatever reason. Unexplainable and pretty much impossible in real, therefore this huge confusion cause through mixing up reality and virtuality. That's why I didn't want to start with real life stuff, but now it sadly already happened.

...And now we've just come full circle. The Ford GTs should not handle differently from each other.