The five cars that you DO NOT want in GT6.

[Lock2Lock]

Honestly, Forza 4 is superior to GT5 physics wise, if your goal is a realistic driving, you've made the wrong decision between these two, but that's literally a different thread.

The duplicate problem that people are referring to is the exact same car appearing the game multiple times, with at most a different name. There are many blatant examples of this in GT5.

If the cars were actually different, it wouldn't be a problem (although even if the cars were different I think most people would prefer a well rounded car list to 1000 Skylines, some of which may only differ because one model uses a lighter muffler or something)

This will work for some cars, though to be honest I don't know if GT5's physics engine can accurately capture some subtle differences. The race suspension upgrade doesn't even work properly.

I think that's non sense. Firstly, tuning is a skill, secondly there's no magic tune that going to make a car completely destroy something else in its performance bracket, except for a glitch maybe.

That's fine it's not a duplicate. If however, PD counted all the colors as separate car models (which they actually did in GT PSP), that would be going too far.

I don't believe I have chosen the wrong one. But yes totally different thread.

I do understand the problem and what people mean by the duplicates of the cars which I was talking to SimonK about and I do agree with his point.

But i honestly want them to stay if the cars have the correct setups. Of not they need to go.


How does that not make sense about the tuning though? As a example... Two people going head to head with 2 identical powered cars have different setups (transmission/lsd/suspension) one of them might be better than the other because the car and tune is tuned to them. But different variables come with that. One person might be better at tuning than the other ect.
With same make racing (aka no tuning just buy the car and drive it like it is) like Top Gear UK's reasonably priced car the better driver wins. That's what I meant by that.

 

[Samus]

Also another example, if they insist on having the Eunos, MX-5 and Roadster regional names in the game I don't want them listed as 33 cars in the list, because they aren't. They should be 11 cars with 3 variations available for each.

This is just wrong:

Mazda Eunos Roadster '89
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited '91
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster VR Limited '97
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR Limited '97
Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS '98
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS '00
Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS '04

Mazda MX-5 Miata '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited '91
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata VR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata SR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS '98
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '00
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '04


Mazda MX-5 '89
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited '91
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II '93
Mazda MX-5 V-Special '93
Mazda MX-5 S-Special '95
Mazda MX-5 VR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 SR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS '98
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS '00
Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS '04

It should be:

Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos '89
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos J-Limited '91
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos J-Limited II '93
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos V-Special '93
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos S-Special '95
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos VR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos SR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos 1.8 RS '98
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos 1800 RS '00
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda MX-5/Miata/Eunos 1800 RS '04

 

[Lock2Lock]

Also another example, if they insist on having the Eunos, MX-5 and Roadster regional names in the game I don't want them listed as 33 cars in the list, because they aren't. They should be 11 cars with 3 variations available for each.

This is just wrong:

Mazda Eunos Roadster '89
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited '91
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster VR Limited '97
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR Limited '97
Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS '98
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS '00
Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS '04

Mazda MX-5 Miata '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited '91
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata VR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata SR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS '98
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '00
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '04

Mazda MX-5 '89
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited '91
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II '93
Mazda MX-5 V-Special '93
Mazda MX-5 S-Special '95
Mazda MX-5 VR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 SR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS '98
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS '00
Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS '04

It should be:

Mazda MX-5 '89
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited '91
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II '93
Mazda MX-5 V-Special '93
Mazda MX-5 S-Special '95
Mazda MX-5 VR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 SR Limited '97
Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS '98
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS '00
Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A '00
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS '04

Totally agree. Miata try hard much hahaha.

And thinking about it. I only have 2 and there are both premium hahaha not a big fan of those at all.


I so SimonK i think we are on the same page about this subject.

So like you see here
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...udi&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

(car list I use pretty cool way to look through it too)
For example I think there were a few more Audi models they could have added but they did a good job with it. Wish there were more of them premium (who doesn't wish that) but none of that bull like with the Mazda Miatas

 

[KinLM]

Any duplicates

Cheap Suzuki cars

Cheap daihatsu cars

Volkswagen bus

Volkswagen van thingys



Why would you all want to get rid of the veyron and the x20--'s? Yeah, they're ridiculous. But the Veyron is like the car version of what Concorde was, and the X cars are like what we'd be capable of if the FIA rulebook didn't exist. In my opinion it makes the game less lackluster to have those in there.

 

[Exorcet]

How does that not make sense about the tuning though? As a example... Two people going head to head with 2 identical powered cars have different setups (transmission/lsd/suspension) one of them might be better than the other because the car and tune is tuned to them. But different variables come with that. One person might be better at tuning than the other ect.
With same make racing (aka no tuning just buy the car and drive it like it is) like Top Gear UK's reasonably priced car the better driver wins. That's what I meant by that.

The two cases aren't really different. With different car set ups, one car might be [slightly] faster than the other. With stock cars, one driver might be more comfortable with the particular car used. Example, one driver is very good at picking the best line but it's good with throttle modulation, and the other driver is the opposite. One driver will be faster with low powered FF cars and the other will probably be faster with powerful RWD cars.

As long as each driver uses a comparable car, driver skill will most likely determine the winner in either case.

Any duplicates

Cheap Suzuki cars

Cheap daihatsu cars

Volkswagen bus

Volkswagen van thingys

Besides the duplicates, what is wrong with these cars? Anything can be raced and if you consider them too slow or under performing, you can always tune them. I'll admit that in older games I didn't really take anything from slower cars, but GT5 was the first GT game that made them slightly fun. With improved physics in GT6, I think that just about everything should be fun to drive and race.

Why would you all want to get rid of the veyron and the x20--'s? Yeah, they're ridiculous. But the Veyron is like the car version of what Concorde was, and the X cars are like what we'd be capable of if the FIA rulebook didn't exist. In my opinion it makes the game less lackluster to have those in there.

Agreed, the X1's are some of the best cars ever added to GT. They should become permanent. If PD can't put the cars directly in GT6 because of licensing, they should just make their own version with similar performance.

 

[Stevisiov]

I know what I am about to say is not in the spirit of the thread...

I don't see why people would request cars not be in the game. I mean surely more choice is better? It's not like they will take up significant memory. I could perhaps understand in terms of Dev time. Though if we are talking about cars that are already modelled for GT5, why not have them in GT6?

 

[Tornado]

And, finally, why does this thread still exist? Every day, someone creates an annoying argument; fact is, we'll never agree. Let's just not get rid of cars.
The one thing I think we can agree on: I think this game needs more Aston Martin. I think this game needs more Holden. I think this game needs more Aussie Ford. I think this game needs more Opel (especially a premium Carlton) and this game needs more 90s Lexus premiums. Summarized, we need more. Not complaints about having more. Why choose to have less of a good thing?

Okay Simon, as soon as I get this pointless and useless and annoying thread closed, I'll stop posting here.

And then (Also, real clever in the first one. "Let's agree to disagree, except I'm right"):

A true gentleman let's the lady out of the door, first. It's okay to leave, Simon. Go take your frustrations out on some Minecraft nincompoop.

You seem to be needlessly unhappy.

So, I'll say this again:

Amazing. I don't think I've ever heard of someone posting in a thread 115 times without understanding it.

Except now it's up to 119. I'll also point out just how much of a fool's errand it is to constantly bump a topic to the top of the page to try to get people to stop seeing and posting in it.

Until then, my opinion is even more valid than yours, which, on larger scale, is horribly out of place in the modern world, where every car is a copy of the other. You want to complain about dupes? Go outside, for once, and notice that every car you see is a Honda Civic. Then, while you're outside, realize that there are more Civics on any other racetrack, than there are Corvettes, Vipers, and Paganis. But, yet, you complain about the realism of a game... A realistic game would have you stuck in one car, for your entire... Year, season, or maybe even a decade. .

There's no way by now that you saying nonsense like this isn't just you purposely missing the point.

No. I'm showing you (and so many others) why unique cars need to stay. You think the people in France care what their car is called? The Clio and Lutecia are both French... The French, and people who like hot hatches, will definitely want to see their car stay in the game.

Hypocrisy leads to nothing.

 

[C6.R]

1. Red bull X1
2. Far less Nissans and Mazdas
3. Tank car

The rest can stay

 

[Rudenut]

I also agree regional dupes should be removed. Outside of those I would be happy with every car ever created ever and race versions (real or rm/LM) where applicable. That is my dream....to be able to buy any car and convert it to a race car an put my own race graphics on it.

 

[seno52]

Astra VXR!

 

[lldantell]

Astra VXR!

Gt5 cars only

 

[goukipau]

- X2010/X2011 (same car!)
- all over 2 models of the same car!
- all cars that do not exist... (wut? Vauxhall Calibra DTM!!)

 

[JAHHAJ]

- X2010/X2011 (same car!)
- all cars that do not exist... (wut? Vauxhall Calibra DTM!!)

Here's two things why I don't agree with your statment.

1. X2011 has a higher top speed than the x2010 plus they're both premium why remove a car that has been finely detailed.

 

[Samus]

2. The Vauxhall calibra DTM does exist as an Opel.

Yes he's saying the Vauxhall version doesn't exist so remove it, it's there purely to boost car numbers.

 

[JAHHAJ]

Yes he's saying the Vauxhall version doesn't exist so remove it, it's there purely to boost car numbers.

That's true and I hate when racing game designers decide to do things like that.

 

[Youngun]

Yes he's saying the Vauxhall version doesn't exist so remove it, it's there purely to boost car numbers.

Dont forget the Toyota Altezza Touring and the Jaguar xj220 LM or pretty much any car with GT printed on it that says in the description that GT created this car. They should just be normal cars that we can race modify if we want not a separate car. If PD can modify it then we should have the ability too.

 

[analog]

Dont forget the Toyota Altezza Touring and the Jaguar xj220 LM or pretty much any car with GT printed on it that says in the description that GT created this car. They should just be normal cars that we can race modify if we want not a separate car. If PD can modify it then we should have the ability too.

But those are Standard cars ported from previous games (you didn't have a race-mod option in GT3/GT4), pretty sure that's mostly irrelevant now for the Premium selection, although there are still a few separate non-existent raceversions of Premium roadcars, the Citroën GT and Ford GT racecars for example.

Having said that, does it really matter whether they become available as separate cars in the dealership (like the DLC TC-versions) or that the conversion has to be selected and loaded in GT-Auto?
Only when for example the racecar cockpit can be selected separately from the racecar exterior (so you can create different raceversions, full on racecar or cup/trackday type of cars) it actually would make a difference.

I don't really care much about 'doing it yourself' since you don't actually do it yourself as long as there are plenty of raceversions (or race-mod versions) available.

 

[Tornado]

I'm kind of torn on that.

I don't see any reason that it shouldn't be set up that way, and I've noted how dumb it was that there was stuff like the Ford GT LM or GT by Citroen Race Car that were identical to how PD set up the RM models but they weren't actually RM models themselves; and I've certainly gone on about how dumb it was that the TCs couldn't be used as RM models of the cars they were based on; but on the other hand I do like PD having those cars available in the dealership separately and they do make up part of the character of the series. For example, in GT2 there were RMs of cars, and then LM versions of those cars a level above those (like the Cerbera RM and the Cerberea LM).





Maybe a tiered RM setup that also allows regular RMs like GT2 (where all it does is lighten it and change the body) and the current system where the RMs do a bunch of other stuff being the second level. For example, it could go RX-7 -> RX-7 RM (based on the current RX-7 TC) -> RX-7 LM (based on the current RX-7 LM); all of which can be purchased in the dealer straight up so you didn't have to build up a car if you didn't want to. PD would treat them as three seperate cars, but that's fair enough because they sort of are; and it's far better than the 350Z LM and Fairlady Z LM.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I'm kind of torn on that.

I don't see any reason that it shouldn't be set up that way, and I've noted how dumb it was that there was stuff like the Ford GT LM or GT by Citroen Race Car that were identical to how PD set up the RM models but they weren't actually RM models themselves; and I've certainly gone on about how dumb it was that the TCs couldn't be used as RM models of the cars they were based on; but on the other hand I do like PD having those cars available in the dealership separately and they do make up part of the character of the series. For example, in GT2 there were RMs of cars, and then LM versions of those cars a level above those (like the Cerbera RM and the Cerberea LM).

Maybe a tiered RM setup that also allows regular RMs like GT2 (where all it does is lighten it and change the body) and the current system where the RMs do a bunch of other stuff being the second level. For example, it could go RX-7 -> RX-7 RM (based on the current RX-7 TC) -> RX-7 LM (based on the current RX-7 LM); all of which can be purchased in the dealer straight up so you didn't have to build up a car if you didn't want to. PD would treat them as three seperate cars, but that's fair enough because they sort of are; and it's far better than the 350Z LM and Fairlady Z LM.

I will tell you what. I do not want the GY by Citroën in GT6 unless it will get its true sound. Which the car was made just for this game and how could they get it wrong. I mean i don't understand how you would have the logic to put a Lambourghini sound instead of its true sound which is this... Skip to 1:05 and then to 2:11 to hear that beast sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omDcv6Ufgyk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[analog]

It'll at least clarify things, there are about 17 (I think?) RM version of the 200+ Premium cars and I reckon there are an awful lot of 'casual gamers' unaware of that who tried to race-mod every single Premium car.

I like the suggestion of a tier-system, basically the TC-versions already are a different tier from the RM-version for the simple fact they are more powerful than the roadversions (although that's probably also a justification to charge for them).

 

[Youngun]

It'll at least clarify things, there are about 17 (I think?) RM version of the 200+ Premium cars and I reckon there are an awful lot of 'casual gamers' unaware of that who tried to race-mod every single Premium car.

I like the suggestion of a tier-system, basically the TC-versions already are a different tier from the RM-version for the simple fact they are more powerful than the roadversions (although that's probably also a justification to charge for them).

Think that was brought up before, RMing cars in different ways. Rally, Drift, Touring, Leman, Cup, or basic Track. Each behaving differently in performance as Rally Conversation have relegations but Drift has more freedom in most aspects.

 

[kraftwerkd]

Tank Car
A lot of the Skylines (keep only the good ones e.g. GT-R's, and like 2 or 3 of the 70's models)
Alot of the Miatas (I'd like to see say an '89, 95, and 2010 [I actually don't know any of the Miata release years, just making stuff up] at the most, and only ONE VERSION! Lol)

 

[analog]

Seriously, what's the deal with the Tank Car? Why do so many ask for this car to be removed (it'll probably be removed anyway being Standard, unless they remodel it again)?
There's nothing like it (one reason it should stay), it isn't boring to drive (another reason) and it requires a different driving style than any other car.
Before it acquired cockpit view (with all other open top cars), it was the only Standard car I used frequently, now I use it even more.

I don't expect everyone to like it as much as I do (or like it at all), but the single fact something offers a unique experience is reason enough for me to applaud their inclusion.
Yes, it's mostly useless for racing against other cars, it's the default choice for immature trolls (is that really a reason to exclude it though? seriously?) but it brings a grin to my face each time I drive it.

Just look at the thing, it's beauty and beast combined.

 

[Youngun]

Seriously, what's the deal with the Tank Car? Why do so many ask for this car to be removed (it'll probably be removed anyway being Standard, unless they remodel it again)?
There's nothing like it (one reason it should stay), it isn't boring to drive (another reason) and it requires a different driving style than any other car.
Before it acquired cockpit view (with all other open top cars), it was the only Standard car I used frequently, now I use it even more.

I don't expect everyone to like it as much as I do (or like it at all), but the single fact something offers a unique experience is reason enough for me to applaud their inclusion.
Yes, it's mostly useless for racing against other cars, it's the default choice for immature trolls (is that really a reason to exclude it though? seriously?) but it brings a grin to my face each time I drive it.

Just look at the thing, it's beauty and beast combined.

Yeh, and Jay Leno agrees (so do i). Fun car but in a Tank race, field looks bland, needs ability to be sprayed.

 

[dist]

Kubelwagen
Schwimwagen
Tank Car

why not Veyron? its legit and drivable

 

[thelvynau]

Kubelwagen
Schwimwagen

Erm thats only 3

 

[lldantell]

why not Veyron? its legit and drivable

But it's a piece of crap to drive

 

[eran0004]

Kubelwagen
Schwimwagen
Tank Car

why not Veyron? its legit and drivable

Seriously, the Schwimmwagen is the most awesome offroad car in GT5. Tune it to max, get a low rpm turbo, set the drivetrain thingy to 50/50 front/rear, get a fully customizable transmission and set the first gear as low as possible, get the fully custmoizable suspension and make it as tall as possible and voila! I can climb the hills of Eiger all day long in that car.

Edit: Actually, skip the exhaust tuning, it sounds better with the default exhaust.

 

[Youngun]

But it's a piece of crap to drive

Says an American, i like it and mine does nurburg around 7 minutes. Its a silent but deadly car and its got no bark but loads of bite. If it not set up for a stupid drag or top speed run, its a great car, mine tops at 240 on almost all circuits, 250 on 'ring and 260 on 'sarthe equally quick acceleration through the corners. Drags suck and prove nothing.

 

[Samus]

Seriously, the Schwimmwagen is the most awesome offroad car in GT5. Tune it to max, get a low rpm turbo, set the drivetrain thingy to 50/50 front/rear, get a fully customizable transmission and set the first gear as low as possible, get the fully custmoizable suspension and make it as tall as possible and voila! I can climb the hills of Eiger all day long in that car.

Edit: Actually, skip the exhaust tuning, it sounds better with the default exhaust.

Say what now? An off road car might be useful if you could actually drive off road. Which you can't.